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Niiru wrote:

BRB wrote:
Considering SW Droppods have become their own choice in the latest codex: couldn't you take an unbound orc army and take some SW droppods along for them to ride in?

Umm... Wait. Er.

...yes?

I mean it would be unbound only of course, cos only battle brothers can use each others transports, but Orks using looted space marine pods is almost sensible. Rule of cool may even get it on the table without complaint.

So, looted drop pod. Another to add to my list of crazy conversions.

This is only if I'm not missing some obvious rule.

Not how Unbound works. Armageddon works like that, though.

 Farseer Pef wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
With all these forces arriving by drop pod, why don't they just stay in space and fight. It's a bit like saying 'Hey, rather than fighting here with the big guns, why don't we both drive over here and fight'.

Dumb narrative.

They used to. It was called Battlefleet Gothic. It was quite fun. Then GW said "Let there be only gross profits!" and stopped production and support for it.

Please, don't you want to tell us a story of the times past? I'm far too young and in-experienced to have tried it, and it sounds so fun :(

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Niiru wrote:

BRB wrote:
Considering SW Droppods have become their own choice in the latest codex: couldn't you take an unbound orc army and take some SW droppods along for them to ride in?

Umm... Wait. Er.

...yes?

I mean it would be unbound only of course, cos only battle brothers can use each others transports, but Orks using looted space marine pods is almost sensible. Rule of cool may even get it on the table without complaint.

So, looted drop pod. Another to add to my list of crazy conversions.

This is only if I'm not missing some obvious rule.

Not how Unbound works. Armageddon works like that, though.

Isn't it? Have to admit I only ever make "proper" lists, but I thought unbound was pretty much "field what you like, no holds barred". So you can take your normal ork list, and then add in some drop pod "allies". If unbound vehicles are fine for anyone to use, then I dont see why drop pods arent?

Again, I haven't studied the unbound rules thoroughly, its just how I understood it.


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Oh, upon further research, it seems the allies matrix still applies even for unbound. Too bad.

I may loot a drop pod one day anyway lol. maybe put on some legs and call it a morkanaut.

Isn't it? Have to admit I only ever make "proper" lists, but I thought unbound was pretty much "field what you like, no holds barred". So you can take your normal ork list, and then add in some drop pod "allies". If unbound vehicles are fine for anyone to use, then I dont see why drop pods arent?

Again, I haven't studied the unbound rules thoroughly, its just how I understood it.


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Oh, upon further research, it seems the allies matrix still applies even for unbound. Too bad.

I may loot a drop pod one day anyway lol. maybe put on some legs and call it a morkanaut.

Five legs and you're golden

Niiru wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Niiru wrote:

BRB wrote:
Considering SW Droppods have become their own choice in the latest codex: couldn't you take an unbound orc army and take some SW droppods along for them to ride in?

Umm... Wait. Er.

...yes?

I mean it would be unbound only of course, cos only battle brothers can use each others transports, but Orks using looted space marine pods is almost sensible. Rule of cool may even get it on the table without complaint.

So, looted drop pod. Another to add to my list of crazy conversions.

This is only if I'm not missing some obvious rule.

Not how Unbound works. Armageddon works like that, though.

Isn't it? Have to admit I only ever make "proper" lists, but I thought unbound was pretty much "field what you like, no holds barred". So you can take your normal ork list, and then add in some drop pod "allies". If unbound vehicles are fine for anyone to use, then I dont see why drop pods arent?

Again, I haven't studied the unbound rules thoroughly, its just how I understood it.


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Oh, upon further research, it seems the allies matrix still applies even for unbound. Too bad.

I may loot a drop pod one day anyway lol. maybe put on some legs and call it a morkanaut.

Just use the most popular 7th edition house rule: if the model is suitably converted/painted/explained to be battle brothers with your main army it is now battle brothers with your army. If your opponent feels that battle brother status is not justified, treat the allies as allies of conveniance instead.

Allies matrix isn't bad, but this house rule opens up all the wackyness and I love it for it.

Didn't they have smaller (Drop Pod sized) ork roks in the Space Marine Video game? I don't remember them being really big and 10-20 orks usually came out of them.

 Lord Scythican wrote:
Didn't they have smaller (Drop Pod sized) ork roks in the Space Marine Video game? I don't remember them being really big and 10-20 orks usually came out of them.

They did, though the majority of the Ork deep striking vehicles in that game where mole machines that come up from underground

 Wulfmar wrote:

 Lord Scythican wrote:
Didn't they have smaller (Drop Pod sized) ork roks in the Space Marine Video game? I don't remember them being really big and 10-20 orks usually came out of them.

They did, though the majority of the Ork deep striking vehicles in that game where mole machines that come up from underground

We could have them instead... I know they are the Hades Breaching Drill looted, but the're still cool and orky.

I prefer that idea - Mud Orks = Morks, or is it the Ground Orks = Gorks?


Better fight over it

Roks are already part of the game. In apoc you can grab one. Str D AP1 10" blast. Scatters 1d3 FEET. If you roll i hit, you subtract one from that number, but it still scatters. Thats your precision drop pod?

I wouldn't say that it would be broken, but it is unnecessary. Without pods, Nids require footslogging or some limited reserve manipulation to get anywhere, whereas Orks have plenty of vehicles and aren't totally screwed if they attempt to footslog since they're more of a pure horde army anyway.

There is a quadi-recent proposed rules thread

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
I wouldn't say that it would be broken, but it is unnecessary. Without pods, Nids require footslogging or some limited reserve manipulation to get anywhere, whereas Orks have plenty of vehicles and aren't totally screwed if they attempt to footslog since they're more of a pure horde army anyway.

It mostly has to do with this. Nids have no vehicles, they had no transports outside of the old spore that the tyrannocyte has now replaced. Orks can do trukk rush if you want cheap transports and we have wagons if you want better odds on making it across the table. As cool as ork pods would be, they might be a bit redundant. I wouldn't say broken though. We can't get into close combat from deep striking, so I don't see how ork pods would be gamebreaking. If 20-30 shoota boys shooting one of your units causes your entire plan to crumble it wasn't a very good plan to begin with, was it?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Orks aren't missing Drop Pods.

Waagh! Ghazghkull and its Detachment has Deep Strike for everything that is not a flyer.

Have you tried to deep strike a 30 strong mob of boyz? Because it dosent work. There is no way to avoid a mishap or losing like 10 guys to dangerous tests. Drop pods that move the minimum to avoid these issues are much more reliable.

 The Wise Dane wrote:

Please, don't you want to tell us a story of the times past? I'm far too young and in-experienced to have tried it, and it sounds so fun :(

Gather round, lads, and listen to a tale of times of yore. When model position was just as important as model facing. When capital ships could fire at two targets in two different firing arcs. When each special command you gave was a heavy choice of risk-vs-gain.

Played some time back with a friend. Had my Chaos fleet decked up with some Lances and Hangars. His Imperial Navy took some beefy Weapon Batteries and a Nova Cannon. Right out the gate, when the distance was extreme, he fired the Nova Cannon. I knew probability was on my side, so I didn't "Brace For Impact" (similar to Jink, 4+ Invuln save, but half Weapon Str next turn). When he rolled the scatter die, it HIT! And he got a 6 on his D6 hits! Out the gate one of my ships was crippled!
I drove my fleet to close the distance behind some asteroids while releasing Bombers. He smelled blood in the water, and split his force to meet me on either side of the asteroid field. Fool! My Bombers successfully navigated through the asteroid field and raked his Nova Cannon ship. He had a lot of Turrets, so he passed on "Brace For Impact." His turrets knocked off a few, but the rest of my bombers rolled 12 attacks (D6 per) and scored several hits! His Nova Cannon was useless as he was crippled!
Compounding my good fortune, my ships sailed past the asteroid field and put down a salvo of Lance Fire with "Lock On" (re-roll misses, you can't change heading this turn). His ship survived, but had to "Brace For Impact," ensuring it was weak in the next turn.
His return fire did pitiable damage. My flagship moved to board one of his good remaining ships. Having a Chaos Lord with MoK aboard, my boarding value was staggering. I handily crippled his formerly unscathed ship.
At this point, the game was easy to call, so we shook hands.

Really enjoyed that game. Brings a tear to my eye to remember it.

 Farseer Pef wrote:

 The Wise Dane wrote:

Please, don't you want to tell us a story of the times past? I'm far too young and in-experienced to have tried it, and it sounds so fun :(

Gather round, lads, and listen to a tale of times of yore. When model position was just as important as model facing. When capital ships could fire at two targets in two different firing arcs. When each special command you gave was a heavy choice of risk-vs-gain.

Played some time back with a friend. Had my Chaos fleet decked up with some Lances and Hangars. His Imperial Navy took some beefy Weapon Batteries and a Nova Cannon. Right out the gate, when the distance was extreme, he fired the Nova Cannon. I knew probability was on my side, so I didn't "Brace For Impact" (similar to Jink, 4+ Invuln save, but half Weapon Str next turn). When he rolled the scatter die, it HIT! And he got a 6 on his D6 hits! Out the gate one of my ships was crippled!
I drove my fleet to close the distance behind some asteroids while releasing Bombers. He smelled blood in the water, and split his force to meet me on either side of the asteroid field. Fool! My Bombers successfully navigated through the asteroid field and raked his Nova Cannon ship. He had a lot of Turrets, so he passed on "Brace For Impact." His turrets knocked off a few, but the rest of my bombers rolled 12 attacks (D6 per) and scored several hits! His Nova Cannon was useless as he was crippled!
Compounding my good fortune, my ships sailed past the asteroid field and put down a salvo of Lance Fire with "Lock On" (re-roll misses, you can't change heading this turn). His ship survived, but had to "Brace For Impact," ensuring it was weak in the next turn.
His return fire did pitiable damage. My flagship moved to board one of his good remaining ships. Having a Chaos Lord with MoK aboard, my boarding value was staggering. I handily crippled his formerly unscathed ship.
At this point, the game was easy to call, so we shook hands.

Really enjoyed that game. Brings a tear to my eye to remember it.

And I'm smiling like an idiot reading it Where have the glorydays gone... Sniff.

So, what are your verdict on the game? Is it something worth picking up and kitbashing for, or should I wait for that Dropzone Commander game? Is it as unbalanced as some people say? Was it really that good? Or, even better, was it actually tactical?

zerosignal wrote:
Orks have vehicles, Tyranids do not. They completely lacked any form of mobility - hence the new spore pod, er I mean Tyrannocyte.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:
I wouldn't say that it would be broken, but it is unnecessary. Without pods, Nids require footslogging or some limited reserve manipulation to get anywhere, whereas Orks have plenty of vehicles and aren't totally screwed if they attempt to footslog since they're more of a pure horde army anyway.

It mostly has to do with this. Nids have no vehicles, they had no transports outside of the old spore that the tyrannocyte has now replaced. Orks can do trukk rush if you want cheap transports and we have wagons if you want better odds on making it across the table. As cool as ork pods would be, they might be a bit redundant. I wouldn't say broken though. We can't get into close combat from deep striking, so I don't see how ork pods would be gamebreaking. If 20-30 shoota boys shooting one of your units causes your entire plan to crumble it wasn't a very good plan to begin with, was it?

This is the entire point. Orks have vehicles like trucks and battlewagons to get across the boards. Nids had absolutely nothing other than the hive tyrant upgrade. I'm not saying that orks wouldn't be fun with a drop pod - I'd definitely allow a friend to use some homebrew rules - but nids definitely needed their drop pods more.

 Orock wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Orks aren't missing Drop Pods.

Waagh! Ghazghkull and its Detachment has Deep Strike for everything that is not a flyer.

Have you tried to deep strike a 30 strong mob of boyz? Because it dosent work. There is no way to avoid a mishap or losing like 10 guys to dangerous tests. Drop pods that move the minimum to avoid these issues are much more reliable.

If an ork drop pod was more reliable, it wouldn't represent their technology haha.

 Rippy wrote:

If an ork drop pod was more reliable, it wouldn't represent their technology haha.

exactly da ork tooby bits and oil parts never work quite as deh should but wid da right Mek at least they'll work

 zephoid wrote:
Roks are already part of the game. In apoc you can grab one. Str D AP1 10" blast. Scatters 1d3 FEET. If you roll i hit, you subtract one from that number, but it still scatters. Thats your precision drop pod?

Hi, I'm Hans Roks (True story!)

I am part of the game?

 Freytag93 wrote:

zerosignal wrote:
Orks have vehicles, Tyranids do not. They completely lacked any form of mobility - hence the new spore pod, er I mean Tyrannocyte.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:
I wouldn't say that it would be broken, but it is unnecessary. Without pods, Nids require footslogging or some limited reserve manipulation to get anywhere, whereas Orks have plenty of vehicles and aren't totally screwed if they attempt to footslog since they're more of a pure horde army anyway.

It mostly has to do with this. Nids have no vehicles, they had no transports outside of the old spore that the tyrannocyte has now replaced. Orks can do trukk rush if you want cheap transports and we have wagons if you want better odds on making it across the table. As cool as ork pods would be, they might be a bit redundant. I wouldn't say broken though. We can't get into close combat from deep striking, so I don't see how ork pods would be gamebreaking. If 20-30 shoota boys shooting one of your units causes your entire plan to crumble it wasn't a very good plan to begin with, was it?

This is the entire point. Orks have vehicles like trucks and battlewagons to get across the boards. Nids had absolutely nothing other than the hive tyrant upgrade. I'm not saying that orks wouldn't be fun with a drop pod - I'd definitely allow a friend to use some homebrew rules - but nids definitely needed their drop pods more.

I would say a pod for orks would make more sense game play wise. The nid pod was completely unnecessary and should not have been brought back, a few units may have issues with getting across the board, but there are more than enough ways around this. One way to mitigate it is by Nids deepstriking units are great, such as the mawloc, which just evaporates units. Also nids have ways of creating more units, with no downside other than a bad roll can stop producing more and then hormagaunts get an extra 3 inches to run; and fleet, which quite a few nids have. Then there are the psychic powers that allow units to shoot and run or just giving multiple units FNP with a single roll

Orks have none of these abilities yes trukks and battlewagons can get units across the board, but still they are pretty easy to crack open with the trukks only being armor 10 and ramshackle getting a nerf. Also both these cannot bring maxxed out units of boys which is where orks really shine. Their few units that can deepstrike are nowhere as resilient as tyranids deepstrikers.

What you have with a Rok is a Bastion (Durability), Manta (Transport capacity), and possibly a deff-arsenal with the fire-power of a few of the imperial redoubt's rolled into one (It says roks are laiden down with guns and targeting systems, some of which can threaten fortresses).

Assuming this thing wouldn't wreck the table when it lands, it would definitely be orky.

Best 40k moment ever.....Deep striking my Gorkanaut. This should cause some sort of fear test because lets be honest if that thing falls in from the sky behind your lines you likely need to change your underwear.

It is worth bring up the Grukk the face-rippa formation is for the whole army to deepstrike the first turn so yes orks could be deep striked into combat.

Grukk is a great hero for that and the other stuff he does. MUCH better then krom the waste of air he is...

But like I said you can do it but have to abide to Grukks formation.

 Wulfmar wrote:
I prefer that idea - Mud Orks = Morks, or is it the Ground Orks = Gorks?


Better fight over it

He He...
Funniest thing I read today.
Well done man!

Just as planned

 Orock wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Orks aren't missing Drop Pods.

Waagh! Ghazghkull and its Detachment has Deep Strike for everything that is not a flyer.

Have you tried to deep strike a 30 strong mob of boyz? Because it dosent work. There is no way to avoid a mishap or losing like 10 guys to dangerous tests. Drop pods that move the minimum to avoid these issues are much more reliable.

More reliable and avoiding issues really does not sound Orky at all.

 Wulfmar wrote:
Guns on ships would be more powerful than on a planet, plus they're not fighting against gravitational pull to get the shells to escape velocity.

You could make up stories for it, but it still seems sloppy

... neither are ground-based laser cannons shooting at ships in space. Well, they are fighting against gravity, but gravity is putting up so little of a fight that it doesn't make a difference, in the end.

Don't think it would be OP at all, in fact it would add another fun, silly and insane part to an army that defines all those characteristics. However like the Tyranid Drop Pods one of the biggest disappointments for me is that they probably would not get Drop Pod Assault allowing them to come in on turn one (silly bias towards Space Merheens). However unlike Roks that everyone is thinking of I could easily imagine the Orks just flying out of the Rok in crazy Drop Pod like machines as the Rok is entering the planets atmosphere scattering in all directions.

Rok is a general ork term for anything from a drop pod size to a spacehulk it is literally an asteroid with engines and guns attached

 Kanluwen wrote:
Orks aren't missing Drop Pods.

Waagh! Ghazghkull and its Detachment has Deep Strike for everything that is not a flyer.

Let's put it this way: Reliable Deep Strike. The detachment's odds of giving you the deep strike are not reliable enough to build proper lists around like every other army has. true, Orks are the 'random' faction, but when it comes to something of this magnetude, we NEED some sort of assurance to make it worth taking with the drawbacks of the Waagh detachment rules, which are worse than the normal book's.

a 5+ for troops or 6+ for anything else are God awful odds. And the Weirdboy can't even promise us Deep Strike because...you guessed it...random odds of pulling the proper Pyshic power on bs dumb dice rolls and charts. (I understand they make Psychic powers random, so you can't make broken lists, but it's still stupid as hell. Warlord Traits and Psychic Powers should cost points and have restrictions so we can build far more varied and themed lists.)