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Bill Nye hand in your degree this is the new Neil Degrasse Tyson!

This is going to go about as well as the "Megan Fox" thread.

Can we lock this already? Ken Ham is a quack...

I watched the nye/ham "debate". Will try to watch this when i get home.

All I remember from that "debate" is Ham's smug "Well there's this book..." refrain.

All I remember is some Ham getting cooked.

At work I listen to a Christian radio station in the mornings, almost exclusively to hear Ken Ham's radio minute and give myself a chuckle. The man's logic is absolutely baffling. And for the record, many Christians, even those who believe in creationism (not necessarily of the young earth variety), think he's a nut. I remember someone trying to teach Ham's variety of "creation science" when I was in Sunday school and thinking that it was utter bollocks (and for the record, I didn't believe in evolution at the time at all, but the crap he spouts is so insane that I don't know how you could possibly take it seriously).

Oh and a month or 2 ago, he was using his radio minute to try to claim that he totally won the Nye-Ham debate and that any weakness was simply because he didn't have time to explain his points... and then attempted to explain his points in less than a minute.

Yeah.... I couldn't watch much of that video... When he starts talking about animals and people being divinely "not hungry" it goes a bit further than I can really deal with.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Yeah.... I couldn't watch much of that video... When he starts talking about animals and people being divinely "not hungry" it goes a bit further than I can really deal with.

Yeah, that is as far as I got too...

How could we have gotten it all so wrong?! Thankfully we have this man to show us the true way!

Ugh....didn't make three minute

INtellectual Man sounds like a superhero spoof Dan Akroyd would play in SNL.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
...I remember someone trying to teach Ham's variety of "creation science" when I was in Sunday school and thinking that it was utter bollocks (and for the record, I didn't believe in evolution at the time at all, but the crap he spouts is so insane that I don't know how you could possibly take it seriously).

A friend of mine was raised on it.

. . .

He's an atheist now.

Are you sure he's not the second coming? After all, if everybody says "oh jesus" whenever he walks in the room......


ba-dum-dum tish

(i'll show myself out)

 Pendix wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
...I remember someone trying to teach Ham's variety of "creation science" when I was in Sunday school and thinking that it was utter bollocks (and for the record, I didn't believe in evolution at the time at all, but the crap he spouts is so insane that I don't know how you could possibly take it seriously).

A friend of mine was raised on it.

. . .

He's an atheist now.

You see, that's the real problem with the church not accepting or really allowing evolution as a viable origin for life (along with other elements of dogma which have been given sacred prominence). Young people are drifting away from their churches because they have been taught that they can't reconcile their beliefs with modern science. They either have to stay ignorant, adapt their beliefs over time or cast it away entirely.

The mainstream Roman Catholic and Episcopal churches do accept evolution as a viable origin for life, etc.

It is only the relatively far-out evangelical sects that don't. Mainly in the USA, for whatever reason I do not know.

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Bill Nye hand in your degree this is the new Neil Degrasse Tyson!

He kept talking, but I was caught up on the fact that his hat was crooked. Not like, overtly crooked, just ever so slightly. Like so little that he didn't actually deliberately set it that way. He just didn't notice that he had.

Watch the video again. Notice the hat. Notice the ever so slight crook. It's real, and it's there if you just go back and look close enough, and I don't think it ever changes.


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Huh. Still there at 11:30.

Intellectual man?

More like intellectually disabled man.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 Pendix wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
...I remember someone trying to teach Ham's variety of "creation science" when I was in Sunday school and thinking that it was utter bollocks (and for the record, I didn't believe in evolution at the time at all, but the crap he spouts is so insane that I don't know how you could possibly take it seriously).

A friend of mine was raised on it.

. . .

He's an atheist now.

You see, that's the real problem with the church not accepting or really allowing evolution as a viable origin for life (along with other elements of dogma which have been given sacred prominence). Young people are drifting away from their churches because they have been taught that they can't reconcile their beliefs with modern science. They either have to stay ignorant, adapt their beliefs over time or cast it away entirely.

A good friend of mine home schools his kids (well, technically his wife does since he's in the Navy on active duty) and they are very, very fundamentalist, Young Earth Creationist, Christians. I remember looking up one of the "biology" books they used to teach at home... It was organized into days, i.e. "in class today we will learn about the animals god created on day 2..."

When his oldest daughter was ready to head off to college I was talking with him and he commented, "You know, it's weird.. My daughter is really good at math, but she's just not interested in taking any science classes and I think she'd be really good at science". And I just kind of had to start at him... I could not, for the life of me, understand how he could not see the basic problem, or reason that someone might not want to pursue an academic path that would, by necessity, throw everything they'd been taught to date into question.

Haven't seen him for a few years due to his changing duty stations, but I wonder how that all played out...

Valete,

JohnS

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The mainstream Roman Catholic and Episcopal churches do accept evolution as a viable origin for life, etc.

It is only the relatively far-out evangelical sects that don't. Mainly in the USA, for whatever reason I do not know.

Because they style themselves as "Bible-believing Christians" meaning they take what was written in the Bible (at least the version they choose for worship) literal.

Here is an interesting poll about it that Pew Research released last year: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/12/30/publics-views-on-human-evolution/

It's fun to pretend.

God that was painful to watch. Barely made 2 min

Yup, called it.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The mainstream Roman Catholic and Episcopal churches do accept evolution as a viable origin for life, etc.

It is only the relatively far-out evangelical sects that don't. Mainly in the USA, for whatever reason I do not know.

Because they style themselves as "Bible-believing Christians" meaning they take what was written in the Bible (at least the version they choose for worship) literal.

Here is an interesting poll about it that Pew Research released last year: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/12/30/publics-views-on-human-evolution/

Yeah I'm mostly referring to American Christianity, it has been polluting us here in Canada as well. It was kind of a revelation when I realized that there were other types of Christianity out there, that the one I grew up in didn't have a monopoly on belief like I had been implicitly taught.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

, that the one I grew up in didn't have a monopoly on belief like I had been implicitly taught.

To be fair, damn near every religion and religious meeting group (the local church, synagogue, mosque, etc) has a tendency to do this.... I remember the church I grew up in making snide comments about "those baptists down the road"

It always did seem to be a bit of a hierarchy though... the church I grew up in, was of course, "the best".... All the other Christian denominations were "second", Jews were, depending on when/who you asked either on par with us, or 3rd. After them came the Mormons in a distant 4th, because after all, they're pretend Christians, but aren't really, so they aren't really all that bad, etc. etc.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

, that the one I grew up in didn't have a monopoly on belief like I had been implicitly taught.

To be fair, damn near every religion and religious meeting group (the local church, synagogue, mosque, etc) has a tendency to do this.... I remember the church I grew up in making snide comments about "those baptists down the road"

It always did seem to be a bit of a hierarchy though... the church I grew up in, was of course, "the best".... All the other Christian denominations were "second", Jews were, depending on when/who you asked either on par with us, or 3rd. After them came the Mormons in a distant 4th, because after all, they're pretend Christians, but aren't really, so they aren't really all that bad, etc. etc.

as has been said;

"....And if you want to know what's wrong with Judaism, you ask a Christian. If you want to know what's wrong with Christianity, you ask a Muslim. If you want to know what's wrong with Catholicism, or Protestantism, or Calvinism, Hypercalvinism, Neocalvinism, Southern Baptists, the Church of Christ, or the First Baptist Church of Memphis, you can go to the Second Baptist Church of Memphis or any other denomination."



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Yeah I'm mostly referring to American Christianity, it has been polluting us here in Canada as well.

Wow. Bigot much?

 Frazzled wrote:

Yeah I'm mostly referring to American Christianity, it has been polluting us here in Canada as well.

Wow. Bigot much?

How is that bigoted?

He disagrees with the teachings of a religion he has seen promoted in a neighbouring country. He has seen those teachings show up in his own country. He is of the conviction that those teachings has a deleterious effect on his country.

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 Frazzled wrote:

Yeah I'm mostly referring to American Christianity, it has been polluting us here in Canada as well.

Wow. Bigot much?

He's not a bigot, just stating a sad fact of the world in a blunt way. American Christian fundies are, saving perhaps tourists who can't seem to speak in anything other than shouts(joke, calm down dear), the worst thing your country exports to the world. They insinuate themselves into the faith communities of other countries and cack everywhere; trying to get Creationism/Intelligent Design into schools in Canada and the UK, trying to stir up problems in Ireland, preaching to African Christians(and "donating" to their politicians/military juntas) that they should support the death penalty for gay people, or that HIV is god's punishment for sin so properly god-fearing sorts don't need to bother with all that sciency condom malarkey or anti-retroviral drugs. It's convenient to dismiss them as just isolated, fringe extremists from an already isolated and extreme fringe, but these guys have money, serious money, and it doesn't appear out of thin air, it comes out of the pockets of many millions of "conservative" American Christians.

Now, whether you view that as an indictment of those people for either supporting such monstrous behaviour or for simply not bothering to check exactly what kind of "missionary work" their money is going to support, or their church leaders for manipulating them, that's up to you, but it's not bigotry to point it out and condemn the fact it happens.