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2014/12/05 03:29:35
Subject: Cop who shot 12 year old was maybe not such a good cop
Cleveland cop who shot 12-year-old slammed for 'immaturity' in past job By Catherine E. Shoichet, CNN
updated 9:02 PM EST, Thu December 4, 2014
(CNN) -- Nearly two years before he shot and killed a 12-year-old who had an air gun, Cleveland Police Officer Timothy Loehmann resigned from another police job after a supervisor described him as "distracted and weepy" and "emotionally immature."
Records from the Independence Police Department obtained by CNN include comments from a supervisor detailing what they called "a pattern of lack of maturity, indiscretion and not following instructions," a "dangerous loss of composure during live range training" and an "inability to manage personal stress."
"I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies," Independence Deputy Chief Jim Polak wrote in a November 2012 memo.
DOJ report: Cleveland police 'reckless'
Now Loehmann, who could not be immediately reached for comment, is one of two Cleveland police officers under investigation after the fatal shooting of 12-year-old Tamir Rice last month. Police have said the boy was shot after pulling out an air gun that looked like a real firearm.
Loehmann joined the Cleveland Police Department in March. A Cleveland Police spokesman said Thursday that during a background check before hiring Loehmann, his department didn't review the officer's personnel file from Independence, a suburb south of the city. Detectives did speak with the Independence human resources director, the spokesman said.
"During that interview detectives inquired if there were any disciplinary actions or incidents that Cleveland Police should be aware of prior to hiring Loehmann, at which point they were told there were none," Sgt. Ali Pillow said. "The reason for departure indicated was resignation. Officer Loehmann indicated that he resigned for personal reasons, which was substantiated by the City of Independence."
According to the records, Loehmann worked at the Independence Police Department as an officer until December 2012, when he submitted his resignation "for personal reasons" after he was told that a disciplinary process of separation had begun.
"Ptl. Loehmann's inability to perform basic functions as instructed, and his inability to emotionally function because of a personal situation at home with an on and off again girlfriend leads one to believe that he would not be able to substantially cope, or make good decisions, during or resulting from any other stressful situation," Polok wrote.
Another memo from a sergeant who worked with Loehmann at a shooting range described the officer as "distracted," "not fit to return" after an emotional outburst and someone who was "not following simple instructions."
An Independence spokeswoman said in a statement that the city had made all personnel files for Loehmann available.
Loehmann has been on paid injured leave since November 22 after injuring his ankle in the shooting, Pillow said. His partner is also on paid administrative leave
The shooting has sparked criticism from community members who accuse police of unnecessary violence.
Police said it's not clear if the responding officers involved in the shooting received information about the age of the suspect or the gun being "probably fake."
Fred Loehmann, Timothy Loehmann's father, told the Cleveland Plain Dealer this week that his son didn't know the boy's gun was fake or realize he was 12 years old.
"I was right there and he went for the gun," he recalled his son saying, according to the newspaper. "I had no choice."
Efforts by CNN to reach Loehmann Thursday were not immediately successful.
Justice Dept.: Cleveland police has pattern of excessive force
By Catherine E. Shoichet, Eliott C. McLaughlin and Kyung Lah, CNN
updated 8:59 PM EST, Thu December 4, 2014
Guns, Tasers, fists, chemical sprays are all used inappropriately, probe finds
Cleveland, feds agree to independent monitor to oversee reforms, Justice Dept. says
Investigators reviewing deadly force cast officers in "positive light," report says
Report comes as police are under fire after fatal shooting of 12-year-old Tamir Rice
(CNN) -- A sign you'd expect to see in a war zone, hanging at a police station. Two unarmed civilians shot more than 20 times after a high-speed chase. A man in the middle of a medical emergency, jolted with a Taser while strapped to a gurney.
These are alarming examples, federal investigators say, that show police in Cleveland have been using unnecessary and unreasonable force at a "significant rate," employing "dangerous tactics" that put the community at risk.
A report released Thursday details a nearly two-year Justice Department investigation which found that Cleveland police use guns, Tasers, pepper spray and their fists excessively, unnecessarily or in retaliation. Officers also have used excessive force on those "who are mentally ill or in crisis," the Justice Department said.
DOJ: Cleveland police used excessive force
Now a federal court will keep tabs on the Cleveland police as part of a legal agreement going forward.
The Justice Department's investigation started in 2013, after several incidents, including a controversial case the previous year when more than 100 officers were involved in a high-speed chase that ended with the deaths of two unarmed civilians.
Here's a look at that case, and several others examples federal investigators pointed out in their report:
A chase gone awry: Police began chasing Timothy Russell and passenger Malissa Williams after officers and witnesses thought they heard a gunshot coming from their car as they drove by a court building. But it turns out, they didn't have weapons. The Justice Department's report said it now appears that what they heard was the car backfiring.
More than 100 officers participated in the high-speed chase. After a 25-minute chase that reached speeds of more than 100 mph and ended in a school parking lot, 13 officers fired 137 rounds hitting Russell and Williams more than 20 times each, the report said.
"The officers, who were firing on the car from all sides, reported believing that they were being fired at by the suspects. It now appears that those shots were being fired by fellow officers," the Justice Department wrote. Both Williams and Russell were killed.
Suspect kicked in the head: Video from a police helicopter captured officers arresting a man after a January 2011 police chase. After the suspect was handcuffed and lying on the ground, officers used excessive force by kicking him in the head numerous times, the report said.
Many officers were there, but none identified any fellow officers who had exacted excessive force on the suspect, and no officer was disciplined, the Justice Department said.
Accountability, or the lack thereof, was a theme of the Justice Department report. Of the period reviewed, 2010-2013, the investigation found that officers were suspended on only six occasions for improper use of force.
"Discipline is so rare that no more than 51 officers out of a sworn force of 1,500 were disciplined in any fashion in connection with a use of force incident over a three-and-a half-year period," the report said.
Taser used inside ambulance: Officers were flagged down to help a man lying on a sidewalk having seizures. When paramedics arrived, they helped him into an ambulance, where he was strapped onto a gurney. That's when the man, who the Justice Department reports identifies as "Mark," got angry, threatening the officer and trying unsuccessfully to stand up.
"Mark continued to try to stand up while threatening to beat the officer. The officer then drive stunned Mark on his top left shoulder. Mark had committed no crime, was strapped down and was in the midst of a medical crisis," the Justice Department report says.
"His repeated seizures may also have left him confused and disoriented. Indeed, there is no indication that Mark could carry out his threat against the officers, particularly when he was strapped to the gurney."
13-year-old punched: After a handcuffed 13-year-old arrested for shoplifting began to kick a police car's door and kicked an officer in the leg, the 300-pound police officer sat on the boy's legs and punched him in the face until he had a bloody nose.
The 13-year-old "was pushing against the officer with his legs, but was handcuffed and posed no threat to the officer," the Justice Department's report says, noting that Cleveland police have used excessive force on people who are handcuffed or subdued and "pose little or no threat to officers."
Sign of the times: Above a vehicle bay at one of the Cleveland Division of Police's district stations hangs a sign that reads, "forward operating base," a term usually used to describe an area of tactical operations in a war zone. The sign sends a message indicative of the community's opinion of the division, Justice Department officials said.
"This characterization reinforces the view held by some -- both inside and outside the Division -- that CDP is an occupying force instead of a true partner and resource in the community it serves," the investigative report said. It's one illustration, the Justice Department's report says, that "officer training instills in officers an 'us-against-them' mentality."
Issues resonate beyond Cleveland
The results of the federal review come as the Cleveland Division of Police is under fire for the November fatal shooting of 12-year-old Tamir Rice. The incident sparked even more outrage amid high tensions over Michael Brown's shooting death in Missouri and similar situations that have put police use of force under a microscope.
Cleveland police Chief Calvin Williams has defended Rice's shooting, saying he reached for an air pistol that was "indistinguishable from a real firearm."
While Thursday's announcement was set in Cleveland, Attorney General Eric Holder said Thursday that the problems it highlights aren't contained by city limits.
"As President Obama and I have indicated, the time has come, we think, to do even more. The tragic losses of these and far too many other Americans, including just last month, the shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice here in Cleveland, have really raised urgent national questions," Holder said Thursday. "And they have sparked an important conversation about the sense of trust that must exist between law enforcement and the communities that they serve and protect."
What's next?
Authorities say Cleveland police need better training and more accountability going forward.
"Deeply troubling to us was that some of the specially trained investigators who are charged with conducting unbiased reviews of officers' use of deadly force admitted to us that they conduct their investigations with the goal of casting the accused officer in the most positive light possible," the Justice Department's report said.
The department fails to review its officers' use of force, investigate other allegations of misconduct, "respond to patterns of at-risk behavior," enforce appropriate policies and establish "effective community policing strategies," according to the Justice Department.
"Throughout the investigation, the Department of Justice provided its observations and concerns to the city, and in response, the division has begun to implement a number of remedial measures, however, much more work is needed," the department's statement said.
As a result of the findings, the city and Justice Department have signed an agreement "to develop a court-enforceable consent decree that will include a requirement for an independent monitor who will oversee and ensure necessary reforms."
Holder, Acting Assistant Attorney General Vanita Gupta and U.S. Attorney Steven Dettelbach met Thursday with community leaders, law enforcement officials and elected officials to discuss how to improve that relationship.
"Together, we can build confidence in the division that will ensure compliance with the Constitution, improve public safety and make the job of delivering police services safer and more effective," Gupta said in a statement.
Williams told reporters his officers are committed to improving the department.
"We will work to make this police department better," he said. "I have confidence we will."
cincydooley wrote: Further reason police unions need to go. Why are they protecting gakky cops?
cincydooley wrote: I'm pretty tired of people blaming the cops in situations like these. How about we start blaming parents that don't teach their children to have respect for authority figures?
In future, please post something in addition to quotes, motyak
EDIT: Would a gif suffice?
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2014/12/05 04:02:29
Subject: Re:Cop who shot 12 year old was maybe not such a good cop
Looks like dirt raking to me. You can find dirt on just about anyone, and if 'emotional immaturity' is the worst the press can dig up, it means their target is pretty clean.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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2014/12/05 04:04:35
Subject: Re:Cop who shot 12 year old was maybe not such a good cop
As many people were posting in the previous thread about how proper the officer's actions were, it might be worth mentioning that not only does the officer have a history of being unreliable, but that the department he belongs to has a background of using unnecessary force. FFS, he was in the process of being fired for:
"Ptl. Loehmann's inability to perform basic functions as instructed, and his inability to emotionally function because of a personal situation at home with an on and off again girlfriend leads one to believe that he would not be able to substantially cope, or make good decisions, during or resulting from any other stressful situation," Polok wrote.
So, context to a larger story
super simple stuff
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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2014/12/05 04:07:49
Subject: Re:Cop who shot 12 year old was maybe not such a good cop
Ok I get it. I still say he made the 'right' choice, just that he should have been fired already. it's never good to give an emotionally unstable person a gun and badge.
*Insert witty and/or interesting statement here*
2014/12/05 04:08:33
Subject: Re:Cop who shot 12 year old was maybe not such a good cop
Look... some of us were simply saying "who can blame a cop for mistaking a toy gun for the real thing?"
However, I will say that with this further context... man, someone needs to check HR's bank account or investigate for nepotism. He clearly shouldn't have been given the shield.
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2014/12/05 04:10:19
Subject: Re:Cop who shot 12 year old was maybe not such a good cop
Well, I don't want to rehash all the comments and vitriol that had the old thread locked; what's done is done. I just thought this new information was salient especially for people who haven't quite made their minds up yet.
lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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2014/12/05 04:12:40
Subject: Cop who shot 12 year old was maybe not such a good cop
cincydooley wrote: Further reason police unions need to go. Why are they protecting gakky cops?
cincydooley wrote: I'm pretty tired of people blaming the cops in situations like these. How about we start blaming parents that don't teach their children to have respect for authority figures?
And?
I still don't think the cop was in the wrong in this scenario. That doesn't change the fact that if they had evidence that he was a bad cop before that he shouldn't have been protected. But he was.
Also, it's typically frowned upon to make a post like that that contributes absolutely nothing to the thread.
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2014/12/05 04:13:11
Subject: Re:Cop who shot 12 year old was maybe not such a good cop
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
2014/12/05 04:15:55
Subject: Re:Cop who shot 12 year old was maybe not such a good cop
Ouze wrote: Well, I don't want to rehash all the comments and vitriol that had the old thread locked; what's done is done. I just thought this new information was salient especially for people who haven't quite made their minds up yet.
But does the new information change the 'correctness' of his actions here?
I don't think it does.
But even with that being said, after reading that it's pretty clear he shouldn't have been on the force in the first place, and was being protected.
2014/12/05 04:17:00
Subject: Re:Cop who shot 12 year old was maybe not such a good cop
He's an unstable maniac with no place on the force! And that maniac made best call any cop ever has, clearly, unquestionable and unambiguously the right call and we can say that with no need to analyze the events further. Give that madman a commendation. Then fire him because he clearly can't make level-headed decisions, except when he's doing that perfectly.
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2014/12/05 04:29:06
Subject: Re:Cop who shot 12 year old was maybe not such a good cop
Chongara wrote: He's an unstable maniac with no place on the force! And that maniac made best call any cop ever has, clearly, unquestionable and unambiguously the right call and we can say that with no need to analyze the events further. Give that madman a commendation. Then fire him because he clearly can't make level-headed decisions, except when he's doing that perfectly.
Analyze it all you want. I believe it was the appropriate course of action, and is THE EXACT SAME COURSE OF ACTION taken in regards to Dillon Tyler, who didn't even have a fake gun on him.
2014/12/05 04:30:25
Subject: Re:Cop who shot 12 year old was maybe not such a good cop
couldn't you get a gun through security by having multiple people have it in individual components, than reassemble it in the air?
I hope the FBI and terrorists don't see this post.
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2014/12/05 09:05:17
Subject: Re:Cop who shot 12 year old was maybe not such a good cop
the shrouded lord wrote: couldn't you get a gun through security by having multiple people have it in individual components, than reassemble it in the air?
I hope the FBI and terrorists don't see this post.
It isn't that easy.
Could you theoretically smuggle a stripped down firearm through airport security? Maybe. X-ray machines, body scanners, and metal detectors would make it rather difficult. Not to mention, the problem of getting live ammunition through security...
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
2014/12/05 09:07:26
Subject: Re:Cop who shot 12 year old was maybe not such a good cop
Ouze wrote: Why break it down at all? Almost every time the TSA has practices for locating contraband, they miss 9/10 of whatever they're supposed to be catching.
Good point.
Still, I'd like to think that since I have to submit to having pictures of my junk taken by a gigantic, clothes-penetrating camera that they could catch an asshat with a shotgun. A girl can dream, right?
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."