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Bioptic wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
I am sort of glad I missed this one.
Too many good projects to back, and not enough cash.
Costing out HINT at the moment.

What's HINT?

"Human Interface", a cyberpunk boardgame with metal models. Partly due to all the metal models/card tiles, and the fact that it's based out of Europe, the shipping issues are inverted for that one. Quite affordable for Europe, but the estimates they're getting from their shipper for America are 3 times the European cost, and half the cost of the base pledge! Not quite sure what the attitude problem being referenced is, but definitely shipping into/out of the States is rapidly becoming a tricky topic of late.

Yep, Human Interface Nakamura Tower can be found here on Dakka, it has a while to run and is unlocking nice toys as it goes. Decent Cyberpunk miniatures are hard to find, and these hit the genre so well, complete with 80's future style iconic of Bladerunner,.Neuromancer and R. Talsorian Games. Recommended.
I want this one for the boardgame element also, it looks like jolly good fun.
£94 is a lot however I slice it, so it has wiped out my interest in other crowdfund projects on at the moment, unless a really exceptional project trumps even this one. My funds for gaming are limited, and I have been spending a tad too heavily of late due to Salute.

 Theophony wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I wonder how much "EU-friendly" fallout CMoN is going to see here. On the B-Seiged thread, only 9 countries were within the $15-25 estimate, while 19 were above the $25 ceiling.

I'm not really happy about this. I had originally looked at this as a little split for minis, and the extra cost is kinda pissing me off.

You know if they had come out and said something to the extent of the drop in the euro compared to the dollar has drastically increased the shipping charges I might have been okay with that half answer, but instead they bring up the fact that THEY pay the shipping from the manufacturer to their distribution center . Who knew that a company that makes stuff would charge for that .

I'm in the USA, St. Louis, Missouri, and my shipping was one of the lowest $10.23 for base game and expansion, but I feel for everyone else that got hosed.

A lot of crowdfund projects have fallen apart due to badly costed shipping. Many offered free shipping before realising what that meant.

Shopping games boxes filled with miniatures and bonus unlocked miniatures will cost some money to send halfway around planet Earth.
Backing local is probably the best way, and a lot of companies are now multi sourcing manufacturing sites, or shipping bulk to distribution hubs adn cutting costs that way.

I know that they've shown production samples before, but WOW at seeing them all together in their little clan posses. I wish they sold booster packs or something with maybe 5 sculpts per clan. They're so charmingly pulpy, but without the horned helmet or tiresome clichés. They would make great Beorg Bearstruck and Baerserkers or regular Norsca barbarians. Time to up my 1 dollar pledge.

Too bad that the Rum n Bones minis look really lacking in comparison, I'd trade my addons from that campaing for BR funds immediatlely. I know the colours mixed into the plastic slightly alters the casting qualities, might that be part of it?


PS: If The Others is more BR quality (and from the convention pics it looks like it) I'll splurge so hard on it.

This looks pretty awesome but I'm always skeptical on KS funding.

 FenixPhox wrote:
This looks pretty awesome but I'm always skeptical on KS funding.

A certain amount of skepticism is usually healthy, but if you like what you see here, you can pledge/increase your with confidence.

In my experience, CMON, especially of late, has been really good in terms of quality, value and delivery.

Wrath of Kings was a very good deal - and I think their 'new formula' material works really well too.

 FenixPhox wrote:
This looks pretty awesome but I'm always skeptical on KS funding.

Given that CMoN has probably the best track record of actually delivering their KS, you could probably do with a bit less skepticism than normal.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 FenixPhox wrote:
This looks pretty awesome but I'm always skeptical on KS funding.

Given that CMoN has probably the best track record of actually delivering their KS, you could probably do with a bit less skepticism than normal.

I actually have never pledged to a KS, so if I do for them it would be a tremendous leap of faith in the site lol.

Heh, fair enough then.

 FenixPhox wrote:
I actually have never pledged to a KS, so if I do for them it would be a tremendous leap of faith in the site lol.

Yeah. Like having faith in a mail-order catalogue or paying for a pizza in advance.

CMoN doesn't have a perfect record, but plenty good enough for it to be no leap at all unless you're assuming people are inherently lying to you until proven otherwise.

Binabik15 wrote:


Too bad that the Rum n Bones minis look really lacking in comparison, I'd trade my addons from that campaing for BR funds immediatlely. I know the colours mixed into the plastic slightly alters the casting qualities, might that be part of it?

Check out the images they just released that shows them primed.

The detail is certainly up to par. It was just initially hard to tell do to the coloring of the plastic

 cincydooley wrote:

Binabik15 wrote:


Too bad that the Rum n Bones minis look really lacking in comparison, I'd trade my addons from that campaing for BR funds immediatlely. I know the colours mixed into the plastic slightly alters the casting qualities, might that be part of it?

Check out the images they just released that shows them primed.

The detail is certainly up to par. It was just initially hard to tell do to the coloring of the plastic

I'm not fully convinced yet. And casting properties were described as a reason not to have differently coloured plastics by...some guy talking about some KS

Anyhow, did the PM, bit the pillow and got the Ram Clan. It seems to be quite expensive compared to othet CMON expansions, $ per unique sculpt and per mini, even with cards considered. And the Hel soldier and dwarf are ugly. They won't care about me not giving them more money fpr gouging, so I added it, in part because the shipping was NINE $$$. Less than the estimate. Good and bad canceling each other out, Ying and Yang, world peace, whatever. Rams are metal as Hel.


The production samples, "low" pledge and positive gameplay impression and, to be honest, the short-ish estimated game lenght pushed me over the edge. I just wish the Euro hadn't imploded. That 1$ pledge didn't get cheaper

PS: After Mad Max I'm thinking of sculpting a "Doof Bard" as a token, maybe the saga token?

unboxing from the CMON expo, looking good

CoolMiniOrNot wrote:Hey guys,

We are still on track for fulfillment in September. So far, so good.

Earlier someone posited that Blood Rage would arrive before Kingdom Death : Monster. KD:M is packaging wave 1 and sending that boat to the US in a week. Blood Rage isn't at the packaging stage. KD:M should be delivering wave 1 before Blood Rage, but KD:M is going to be 2 waves, so Blood Rage should complete delivery before KD:M.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

CoolMiniOrNot wrote:Hey guys,

We are still on track for fulfillment in September. So far, so good.

Earlier someone posited that Blood Rage would arrive before Kingdom Death : Monster. KD:M is packaging wave 1 and sending that boat to the US in a week. Blood Rage isn't at the packaging stage. KD:M should be delivering wave 1 before Blood Rage, but KD:M is going to be 2 waves, so Blood Rage should complete delivery before KD:M.

Looks like they may have copies of Rum & Bones at GenCon too. Not quite sure.

latest update:

100 pre-release sets have been sourced to sell at gencon (not from the KS production run or funds, and none of the expansions or exclusive will be there)

and it has not gone down well with many of the KS backers despite a very clear statement that warned everybody it might (would) happen


From the bottom of the campaign page:

"Please note that while we do our best to get you your rewards in a timely manner, you may not necessarily receive your rewards before the product makes it into distribution in your own country or before it's made available in conventions and special promotion opportunities. We hope that the special price and exclusive items you will get during the Kickstarter will make up for any such possible lag. However, if this is something that is not acceptable to you, please do not back this project, and instead wait for the retail release. Thank you for your understanding."



so once again kids, read those KS campaign pages all the way to the bottom.

I generally give companies a pass on delays, but I'm very happy to give them grief when they break promises made during the campaign, but please don't get upset when they do exactly what they said they were going to

This isn't even delayed is it?

People need to get a life.

No delay whatsoever,

maybe even a chance some might start shipping early

(although I suspect it would hit something else in the warehouse and come to a grinding halt so that's unlikely, but still worth hoping for)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
latest update:

100 pre-release sets have been sourced to sell at gencon (not from the KS production run or funds, and none of the expansions or exclusive will be there)

and it has not gone down well with many of the KS backers despite a very clear statement that warned everybody it might (would) happen


From the bottom of the campaign page:

"Please note that while we do our best to get you your rewards in a timely manner, you may not necessarily receive your rewards before the product makes it into distribution in your own country or before it's made available in conventions and special promotion opportunities. We hope that the special price and exclusive items you will get during the Kickstarter will make up for any such possible lag. However, if this is something that is not acceptable to you, please do not back this project, and instead wait for the retail release. Thank you for your understanding."



so once again kids, read those KS campaign pages all the way to the bottom.

I generally give companies a pass on delays, but I'm very happy to give them grief when they break promises made during the campaign, but please don't get upset when they do exactly what they said they were going to

So CMoN is pulling a Palladium?

Except that CMoN has the management, manufacturing, and logistical competence to actually deliver these copies to GenCon, whereas the fethups at Palladium talked a good game, but weren't even close to delivering RRT to GenCon after their rigged poll.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


So CMoN is pulling a Palladium?

Except that CMoN has the management, manufacturing, and logistical competence to actually deliver these copies to GenCon, whereas the fethups at Palladium talked a good game, but weren't even close to delivering RRT to GenCon after their rigged poll.

Are they really pulling an anything?

They airshipped some copies over for GenCon (at great cost).

They put it clearly in the campaign page that backers may not get theirs first.

People can be mad all they want, I suppose...but I'm not sure it'll change anything....

And like I said...it's not even an instance where the game is late....

 cincydooley wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


So CMoN is pulling a Palladium?

Except that CMoN has the management, manufacturing, and logistical competence to actually deliver these copies to GenCon, whereas the fethups at Palladium talked a good game, but weren't even close to delivering RRT to GenCon after their rigged poll.

Are they really pulling an anything?

They airshipped some copies over for GenCon (at great cost).

They put it clearly in the campaign page that backers may not get theirs first.

People can be mad all they want, I suppose...but I'm not sure it'll change anything....

And like I said...it's not even an instance where the game is late....

They did this with Rum & Bones too... It did have one effect though, I will no longer be supporting CMoN in their kickstarters.

 Catyrpelius wrote:


They did this with Rum & Bones too... It did have one effect though, I will no longer be supporting CMoN in their kickstarters.

I mean, IMO that's your loss.

Reads pretty clearly, in black and white, on the KS page.

I think any company that is able should take and sell product at GenCon.

I think Prodos should sell copies of AVP if they have them.

I thought Flying Frog should have sold Shadows of Brimstone last year.

I'm backers on both of those products.

But then again, I'm not afflicted with "gotta have it first" syndrome.

Especially if they say they're doing it up front.

But yeah, I'm with you there - I want a viable game and gaming community for the stuff I back, so by all means, take it, promote it and sell it at GENCON!

 cincydooley wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:


They did this with Rum & Bones too... It did have one effect though, I will no longer be supporting CMoN in their kickstarters.

I mean, IMO that's your loss.

Reads pretty clearly, in black and white, on the KS page.

I think any company that is able should take and sell product at GenCon.

I think Prodos should sell copies of AVP if they have them.

I thought Flying Frog should have sold Shadows of Brimstone last year.

I'm backers on both of those products.

But then again, I'm not afflicted with "gotta have it first" syndrome.

I think they should finish fufilling their Kickstarters before they start worrying about other people. It's not about a "gotta have it first syndrome" it's about fuffilling one responsiblity before worrying about or taking on another. They could have prevented this by doing what they've done in the past, sell it to people at Gencon but let backers pick up their copy as well, meet backers halfway instead of completly putting them on the back burner. It's a matter of perception.

If the sucess of their game is dependent on being able to sell 100 copies at Gencon then I seriously call into question their buisness model.

I have less of a problem with companies taking a small amount of their new games to a super important yearly event to start getting public interest than if those same games were all hitting retail channels before backers received it.

So long as I get a good sized discount, I suppose I don't mind too much. If Gencon folks get it at the same price as I do, I'd be really ticked since I am taking the risk with my money and effectively lending out for a long time, but so long as the difference in me getting it and people at Gencon getting it is only a month or two, I am not too bothered.

 Wehrkind wrote:
So long as I get a good sized discount, I suppose I don't mind too much. If Gencon folks get it at the same price as I do, I'd be really ticked since I am taking the risk with my money and effectively lending out for a long time, but so long as the difference in me getting it and people at Gencon getting it is only a month or two, I am not too bothered.

Nothing is EVER discounted at GenCon. Not even at 1pm on Sunday.

Getting a new game at GenCon is about getting it first. Unless it's a GenCon Exclusive, which to my knowledge only Wyrd and Privateer have right now (or at least that I'm interested in).

There's a good chance I'll take home copies of each, despite having my KSes still coming.

I was even giving consideration to raffling those copies off. Not sure anymore :/

 Catyrpelius wrote:
It's about fuffilling one responsiblity before worrying about or taking on another..

Except that the "responsibility" is whatever the creator wants.

KS is there for the creators. The *only* thing you can count on in a crowdfunded project is that the backers give money to the creator. Anything else are promises and assumptions, neither of which are reliable.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I have less of a problem with companies taking a small amount of their new games to a super important yearly event to start getting public interest than if those same games were all hitting retail channels before backers received it.

Taking demo copies to Gencon? No problem.

Distributing to backers at GenCon? Awesome.


But selling to non-backers at GenCon? Uncool.

Complaining about it when this was clearly posted on the campaign page:

Please note that while we do our best to get you your rewards in a timely manner, you may not necessarily receive your rewards before the product makes it into distribution in your own country or before it's made available in conventions and special promotion opportunities. We hope that the special price and exclusive items you will get during the Kickstarter will make up for any such possible lag. However, if this is something that is not acceptable to you, please do not back this project, and instead wait for the retail release. Thank you for your understanding.

Ridiculous!

And for everything else, there's Master Card.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
But selling to non-backers at GenCon? Uncool.

Par for the CMON course. They're one of the first KS to have backers pay their own shipping. Their customer service consists of an acknowledgement email. They still have Early Birds that fill up in seconds.

I'm a sucker for "bucket-o-mini's", so backed Z:BP. Otherwise, it's an OLGS sale for anything CMON.