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@chiefbigredman: Quick to fire and move or fire just means that they can stand and shoot when charged but can't move and then shoot. That said you can place them in front of an enemy and when charged stand and shoot that crap pretty hard.

Oh no the stormfiends are rare choices?! That's always the must have part of the skaven army. Now i'm not as sure if i want them. They'll still probably perform spectacularly though.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Oh no the stormfiends are rare choices?! That's always the must have part of the skaven army. Now i'm not as sure if i want them. They'll still probably perform spectacularly though.

I'm sure they'll do fine. Some really nice weapon options on Skirmishers that get rank bonuses.

I like the Bellseer better than this new seer but I quite like the warlord. Has that imposing bully look that Skaven Warlords should have :-)

 juanjopotro wrote:
Leaked pics from the WD#51, Warlord and Grey Seer revealed

http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11573987-portada-de-la-white-dwarf-con-las-nuevas-ratas-ogro-fotos-nuevas-a-dia-12/#106072692

The warlord's a bit meh.... but man... that grey seer looks like he'd be a treat to paint.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Oh no the stormfiends are rare choices?! That's always the must have part of the skaven army. Now i'm not as sure if i want them. They'll still probably perform spectacularly though.

I'm sure they'll do fine. Some really nice weapon options on Skirmishers that get rank bonuses.

I feel like 2 ratling gun stormfiends with a warp grinder (tunneling team) is ideal for elf stomping. Do this in groups of two halfway up the board and there's nowhere they can really hide (except behind hills or buildings).

I think both the grey seer and warlord look fantastic. The warlord is oddly a bit reminiscent of older models but it looks good. Not sure i need any more warlords though and i won't need another seer unless i do double seer for a build.

Warlord is not too different things than starter set one. Seer from bell is more dynamic.

 Platuan4th wrote:

rtb01 wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
Yep, I'll take 2 units of 6 Stormfiends, please.

That's a 4080 point army minimum no other rare slots!

I'm filling out my collection from 10K to 13K.

Give me a high five dude *hand in the air*
I'm gunna be bringing my skaven collection to 10k by summer but 6500 is a lot of stuff so just gunna be getting 40 more stormvermin (100 total then) then all these new models!

I'm at least getting one group of the stormfiends. I figure i'll go 2 with ratling cannons and a tunneler and 2 with warpfire projectors and a tunneler.

I'm not sure if i want to do melee. Most of the options seem valid though i am not as happy with the shock gauntlets. My problem being so what if you get d3 stomps instead of 1. The unit is so fragile unless you flank it'd probably be dead anyway even if those attacks avoid armor they're not as strong as the doom flayer fists. Doom flayer fists are pretty much strength 7 and impact hits. That's strong enough to go through most armor anyway and impacts instead of stomps so you'll always get em on the charge instead of just against some units that you probably wouldn't have trouble stomping into the ground anyway.

I even think the wind mortars would be cool because you re-roll to wound and it wounds on a 4+ against everything. Imagine the pain that'd inflict to cavalry. That said ratling cannons seem most needed for these fast cavalry magical elf lists and warpfire throwers would kill most rank and file (tunneling team counts as not having moved when it comes in so you get to shoot with warpfire throwers too).

Also considering the tunneling teams this could very well screw up a dwarf gunline or any gunline really. You basically just either scatter into the unit or you're so close to the enemy unit you can make a charge they can't stand and shoot against. It's perfect really. Can't see why i never thought of it with the other skaven tunneling teams.

it seems like their is no head variation on the storm fiends.That is really lame.

Anyone seen this yet ?

From BOLS:

Storm Fiends
85pts

M6 WS4 BS3 S5 T4 W4 I5 A4 Ld7 Monstrous Infantry

Unit size 3+

Light Armor (optional warpstone-laced armor; grants the entire unit 4+ armor, but casualties must be pulled from warpstone-laced armor models first. Attacks that target specific models still do so, ignoring the warpstone-laced armor rules )

Each model (each model in a unit may choose differently) must choose from:

- Grinderfists (reroll failed to wounds in assault); S:5, arrives turn 2-3 at a pre-marked position, may shoot or assault upon arrival, d3 automatic hits in assault, magical
- Doom-flayer gauntlets (reroll failed to wounds in assault); +2S, Impact Hits(d3)
- Ratling cannons (reroll failed to wounds via shooting); 18" S5 Armorpiercing, multipleshot(3d6), ignore longrange & multishot penalties, to-hits rolls of "1" hit nearest friendlies, magical
- Shock gauntlets (reroll failed to wounds in assault); +1S, D3 stomp hits, ignores armor
- Warpfire projectors (reroll failed to wounds via shooting); stone thrower, S5, flaming attacks, multiple wounds(D3), misfies casue d6 hits on nearest friendlies, magical
- Windlaunchers (reroll failed to wounds via shooting); stonethrower, 6-24" wound on a 4+,magical, 2d6 scatter on a misfire

Fear, Skirmishers

May not use "Fire on the March, Light troops"

... is that 85 points per ? i mean, they are nice and versatile, but jesus feth, 255 points in Skaven's rare slot is a REALLY bad place to be!

Also i think the warp fire projector is a mistranslation, i dont think its a stone thrower, its probably a fire projector.


Actually, the more i look at it... 255 points for this can fill a LOT of roles...

255 points minimum for a Ld7 unit that can't increase, isn't stubborn, and takes up rare slots?

That doesn't sound all that great to me, even ignoring the whole mess they are when it comes to armor.

Well, until I read some of the weapon descriptions. Holy crap.

Arriving via tunnel doesn't count as moving. Tunnel + Warpfire Projectors = oh hai guyz.
Ratling Cannons... 3d6 BS3, S5, Armor Piercing, Reroll to Wound shots = death to MSU cavalry.

The Windlaunchers are the "mehest" of the group, what with their 75% chance to wound anything, with no armor saves allowed.

Close combat versions are questionable to me. Over double the cost of a regular rat ogre, but they're LD7 skirmishers. I guess you could throw a warlord with the Crown of Command in there (but not on a bonebreaker, sadly ).

Huh, didn't notice they were skirmishers. A sign of future Warhammer? They aren't the kind of unit you'd expect as skirmishers this edition.

They're basically replacements for weapon teams, it seems. Making them ranked makes firing their not-quite-war-machines weapons a bit more difficult I would think.

I will troll in for a minute....does GW no longer no how to do anything that is not 40K related? That is the fugliest thing I have seen to date from GW and they have had some fugly stuff lately.....so sad that Fantasy has been reduced to this

Cheers
Papasmurf

They look more like naked Moles and not Rats... That fur is horrible..

It looks like with this release WHFB has completely jumped the shark and is headed straight into pseudo fantasy/scifi waters. RIP WHFB. Those Stormfiends are incredibly ugly models. They look like molerats modeled on 90's Bane. Just terrible.

I really like the new big rat ogres. Looking forward to seeing the kit.

RoninXiC wrote:They look more like naked Moles and not Rats... That fur is horrible..

Rat Ogres have never had much in the way of fur since they went plastic. :-\ Usually it's just a few patches here and there.

trexmeyer wrote:It looks like with this release WHFB has completely jumped the shark and is headed straight into pseudo fantasy/scifi waters. RIP WHFB. Those Stormfiends are incredibly ugly models. They look like molerats modeled on 90's Bane. Just terrible.

Er, "pseudo fantasy/scifi" has been the domain of Skaven since pretty much day 1. I mean, the existing rat ogre kit already has arms with guns strapped to them, they just didn't actually do anything in the rules. Granted, the new models crank that crap up to 11, but that seems to be par for the course with regards to End Times releases.

may shoot or assault upon arrival, d3 automatic hits in assault

I hope this is a mistranslation because Assault is a 40k word and I don't want to see fantasy switch to the move, magic, shoot, assault style of 40k. I like charges happening first, it makes your decisions a bi more important as you have to order them properly & commit early.

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

rtb01 wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
Yep, I'll take 2 units of 6 Stormfiends, please.

That's a 4080 point army minimum no other rare slots!

I'm filling out my collection from 10K to 13K.

Give me a high five dude *hand in the air*
I'm gunna be bringing my skaven collection to 10k by summer but 6500 is a lot of stuff so just gunna be getting 40 more stormvermin (100 total then) then all these new models!

*highfive!*

I'm grabbing 60 more Stormvermin, 60 more Night Runners, new Thanquol, and, as stated, 4 of this kit.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

rtb01 wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
Yep, I'll take 2 units of 6 Stormfiends, please.

That's a 4080 point army minimum no other rare slots!

I'm filling out my collection from 10K to 13K.

Give me a high five dude *hand in the air*
I'm gunna be bringing my skaven collection to 10k by summer but 6500 is a lot of stuff so just gunna be getting 40 more stormvermin (100 total then) then all these new models!

*highfive!*

I'm grabbing 60 more Stormvermin, 60 more Night Runners, new Thanquol, and, as stated, 4 of this kit.

*High 5*

I like your style!

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

may shoot or assault upon arrival, d3 automatic hits in assault

I hope this is a mistranslation because Assault is a 40k word and I don't want to see fantasy switch to the move, magic, shoot, assault style of 40k. I like charges happening first, it makes your decisions a bi more important as you have to order them properly & commit early.

I'm not sure what you're quoting, but I would guess that's paraphrased. The rules link posted shows that they pop up at the start of the turn and can "act normally this turn, including declaring a charge".

I was quoting Haight who was quoting BOLS

*side note*

The warlord which is kinda just meh is such a copy of the warlord from the island of blood set. Standing on the same rock just sideways and the armour around the belly it exactly the same. Not impressed with him at all.

Lots of Rumors over at Bugmans saying that Ungrim will be the Incarnate of Fire and in this book. Any further info on this?

http://www.bugmansbrewery.com/topic/45892-ungrim-is-the-incarnate-of-fire/page-2

Quoted from the bl site

As the armies of Chaos spill down from the north in a tide of blood and fire, the skaven are at last ready to unleash their invasion of the surface realms. Vast armies of chittering ratmen scurry forth from the darkness, bursting out into the wan light of day, their beady eyes hungry for blood. The realms of man, the holds of the dwarfs and the ancient temple-cities of the lizardmen are the first to feel the wrath of the Horned Rat’s children. However, the fractious skaven are ever their own worst enemy, and plots and schemes abound among their leaders. Meanwhile, the grey seer Thanquol sets in motion his plans for ultimate domination, making dark bargains and deadly pacts that will have unforeseen consequences…

Warhammer: Thanquol continues the epic tale of the End Times, following the twisting plots of the skaven and their conquest of the surface world. Covering the complex machinations and insidious schemes of the followers of the Great Horned Rat, this book presents new armies, villains and heroes. Inside you will find rules for mighty characters like Thanquol and his gigantic bodyguard Boneripper, the dread Verminlords and the empowered dwarf slayer king Ungrim, Incarnate of Fire. Also included are new campaign rules and a collection of narrative missions that allow you to fight your way through the End Times in your own games of Warhammer.

 chiefbigredman wrote:
*snipped images*

*side note*

The warlord which is kinda just meh is such a copy of the warlord from the island of blood set. Standing on the same rock just sideways and the armour around the belly it exactly the same. Not impressed with him at all.

Question: Are these rules from last week's White Dwarf? Because the End Times book is out this week and they'd have no reason to duplicate the rules like that, surely?

Sorry, just trying to work out if we know this week's dwarf in advance or not. ...Future release reasons.

changemod wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
*snipped images*

*side note*

The warlord which is kinda just meh is such a copy of the warlord from the island of blood set. Standing on the same rock just sideways and the armour around the belly it exactly the same. Not impressed with him at all.

Question: Are these rules from last week's White Dwarf? Because the End Times book is out this week and they'd have no reason to duplicate the rules like that, surely?

Sorry, just trying to work out if we know this week's dwarf in advance or not. ...Future release reasons.

These are from next week's WD I believe. This week's features the Thanquol model and book itself.

 Platuan4th wrote:

changemod wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
*snipped images*

*side note*

The warlord which is kinda just meh is such a copy of the warlord from the island of blood set. Standing on the same rock just sideways and the armour around the belly it exactly the same. Not impressed with him at all.

Question: Are these rules from last week's White Dwarf? Because the End Times book is out this week and they'd have no reason to duplicate the rules like that, surely?

Sorry, just trying to work out if we know this week's dwarf in advance or not. ...Future release reasons.

These are from next week's WD I believe. This week's features the Thanquol model and book itself.

Bizarre. Why release the fame rules twice in one week?

Oh well, carry on talking about rat peoples, I'll just slink back to the Necron thread and explode with frustrated anticipation. Don't want to mess up the carpet in here.

changemod wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

changemod wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
*snipped images*

*side note*

The warlord which is kinda just meh is such a copy of the warlord from the island of blood set. Standing on the same rock just sideways and the armour around the belly it exactly the same. Not impressed with him at all.

Question: Are these rules from last week's White Dwarf? Because the End Times book is out this week and they'd have no reason to duplicate the rules like that, surely?

Sorry, just trying to work out if we know this week's dwarf in advance or not. ...Future release reasons.

These are from next week's WD I believe. This week's features the Thanquol model and book itself.

Bizarre. Why release the fame rules twice in one week?

Oh well, carry on talking about rat peoples, I'll just slink back to the Necron thread and explode with frustrated anticipation. Don't want to mess up the carpet in here.

It says something about 'an ancient evil awakens' in next weeks white dwarf on the back page