Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)

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**Requizen**

Eh, Fear on 3d6 is fairly decent, but of course with how easy Fearless and ATSKNF are to get, it's not fantastic. Still, against anything that's not a Space Marine army it's fairly useful, even LD10 fails Fear on 3d6 more than half the time.

**CthuluIsSpy**

As I said, Space Marines got their way >.<

**changemod**

Argh, those Scarabs don't look compatible with Charnel Scarabs at all.

I can't exactly say "No no, it's cool, I can use the cheaper 5th edition scarabs because this forge world book says so" and expect to be taken seriously.

**CthuluIsSpy**

I preferred the old entropic rule. That was interesting. The new entropy are just disruption fields that can work against MCs.

**angelofvengeance**

undertow wrote:

I've bought both versions at various times. The iTunes version is superior in almost every way, with pop-up menus and windows when you click on a weapon or rule. Navigation is also much easier. The only issue with it is the size of the actual file, and switching between books can take some time on an older iPad. For the longest time I was using a 16gb iPad 3 (around three years old), and switching from my Codex to the main rulebook to check a rule could take upwards of ten seconds. Also, with only 16gb of storage, each 1.5gb codex took up a considerable percentage of total space.

The Black Library versions are much smaller (around 80-100mb), and can be used on a variety of devices. I usually import them into the kindle app on my phone (Galaxy Note 3), or again, the kindle app on my iPad. They're not too bad to navigate with the new ones, as GW has only one entry for each unit now, instead of one entry with lore and rules, and another with options and point costs. With that consolidation, I don't mind using the Black Library versions.

Having used both, the iTunes versions are far better than the ebooks available from the Black Library. i don't like that they're so huge, but even with a slightly higher price, I'll always pick the iTunes version.

To GW's credit, they have vastly come down in size with this new format they've gone for. The new layout codexes are a 400/500MB download. 40k wise: Everything from Orks onwards basically.

**Kangodo**

So as I expected, a nice buff to MSS.

**vipoid**

Requizen wrote:
Eh, Fear on 3d6 is fairly decent, but of course with how easy Fearless and ATSKNF are to get, it's not fantastic. Still, against anything that's not a Space Marine army it's fairly useful, even LD10 fails Fear on 3d6 more than half the time.

But that's the thing - so many things are either SMs or Fearless that it's just pointless.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Kangodo wrote:
So as I expected, a nice buff to MSS.

How is it buff? Yeah, you can pick the target this time, but the effect isn't that great.

**changemod**

Kangodo wrote:
So as I expected, a nice buff to MSS.

L

Whilst I agreed with your premise earlier, this is explicitly not true now as they effectively only work on Orks.

**chnmmr**

I wouldn't call MSS change a nerf, more of a 'didn't want to remove it from the book so we ruled it to be just the same in effect.'

**Drakmord**

ID messing with my reanimation will definitely make my main opponent happy. He was already fielding as much helfrost as he could, now I'm gonna start eating lascannons!

The person with the codex has also mentioned that the hullpoint regeneration only applies to Heavy and Super-Heavy vehicles.

**angelofvengeance**

vipoid wrote:
Requizen wrote:
Eh, Fear on 3d6 is fairly decent, but of course with how easy Fearless and ATSKNF are to get, it's not fantastic. Still, against anything that's not a Space Marine army it's fairly useful, even LD10 fails Fear on 3d6 more than half the time.

But that's the thing - so many things are either SMs or Fearless that it's just pointless.

Not really. There's maybe a dozen units with that rule.

**Requizen**

chnmmr wrote:
I wouldn't call MSS change a nerf, more of a 'didn't want to remove it from the book so we ruled it to be just the same in effect.'

But... it's not the same in effect. Not at all.

25 points for Lychguard, but you can't mix and match. I like that still, much cheaper = much better.

**chnmmr**

Same effect as a removing it by nerfing it so hard that there is no reason to ever take it...

**RivenSkull**

Yeah MSS just got flushed down the toilet. I wonder if we'll get anything that keeps our HQ's alive in CC.

Scarabs big nerf too.

RP getting -1 to ID sucks.

Entropic Strike now just removes a hull point on a 6 rather than lowering AV.

Not liking how things are turning out so far.

**Requizen**

Eeh... not true at all though. It depends on your meta, only one guy at our store even uses Space Marines, everyone else plays Xenos for the most part.

At a tournament level sure, it's much worse.

**Hulksmash**

RivenSkull wrote:
Entropic Strike now just removes a hull point on a 6 rather than lowering AV.

I'd point out that you now only need 3 6's to kill a tank instead of 10 4+'s. I'd also point out that it now works on super heavies. It's insanely better as a vehicle killer. And with less hoops to jump through.

**undertow**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Well feth, MSS got nerfed.

Not to rub salt in the wound, but anyone who isn't playing Necrons is probably happy about this. While GW might have gone too far, MSS was in need of a nerf.

**ClockworkZion**

Looks like Wraiths are getting Swiftstrike. That's not a bad bonus at all.

**Requizen**

RivenSkull wrote:
Yeah MSS just got flushed down the toilet. I wonder if we'll get anything that keeps our HQ's alive in CC.

Scarabs big nerf too.

RP getting -1 to ID sucks.

Entropic Strike now just removes a hull point on a 6 rather than lowering AV.

Not liking how things are turning out so far.

I guess if you only focus on the negatives. Things are getting cheaper pretty much all around. Heavy/Superheavy vehicles all have mini IWND. Flayed Ones are actually about usable now (4 attacks AP5 Shred is actually quite good, and new Reanimations means they are more survivable at I2). It doesn't look like we lost any of our Named Characters (many recent codices would be pissed at us for this). Deathray is different, but now is a hard anti-vehicle (S10 Lance yo). Dispersion Shields being Storm Shields is great, at 25 points makes Lychguard pretty fantastic assault units (especially if we can give them Ghost Ark, still alright without it).

**Ffyllotek**

docdoom77 wrote:
Ffyllotek wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Ouze wrote:
So the only new model is a single unipose character with no modelling options for $28, is that correct?

Correct.

We might get a lead bleacher spray!

It took me a few minutes of reading this over and over to realize it was a typo and you meant "belcher." Lol. I kept trying to figure out what bleacher spray was.

Oh... And now I need to admit I thought it was bleacher... :(

**Drakmord**

Whipcoils give swiftstrike instead of reducing enemy initiative, which is only a slight nerf, but I'm more interested in that Whipcoils have a profile now.

Does that mean that taking coils will give an extra attack in assault?

**changemod**

Hulksmash wrote:
RivenSkull wrote:
Entropic Strike now just removes a hull point on a 6 rather than lowering AV.

I'd point out that you now only need 3 6's to kill a tank instead of 10 4+'s. I'd also point out that it now works on super heavies. It's insanely better as a vehicle killer. And with less hoops to jump through.

And allows you to force a few saves when tarpiting a monstrous creature of any strength.

**Jaceevoke**

I have to say that I really like the ID change to reanimation protocols, makes a lot more sense. It should be harder to pull yourself back together after being blasted to bits by a tank shot than just being shot by a gun. Even if I stick with the old codex I might have to add that rule in.

**changemod**

Drakmord wrote:
Whipcoils give swiftstrike instead of reducing enemy initiative, which is only a slight nerf, but I'm more interested in that Whipcoils have a profile now.

Does that mean that taking coils will give an extra attack in assault?

Only if they let you take the pistol with it.

But otherwise, it's a buff for most cases: You can make 3 wraiths I5 for the price of making one enemy I1 in the prior edition, so you mostly only lose out against Slaanesh.

**Requizen**

Drakmord wrote:
Whipcoils give swiftstrike instead of reducing enemy initiative, which is only a slight nerf, but I'm more interested in that Whipcoils have a profile now.

Does that mean that taking coils will give an extra attack in assault?

Eh, that one I'll call an overall nerf though. Without Assault Grenades, Wraiths are down to I1 when charging through cover (which your opponent really should force you to do), even with Swiftstrike. Old whip coils would drag the opponent down to I1 as well, but now they're always going to go first. Also, if you cart around a Destroyer Lord with the Wraiths, it does nothing for him, which makes Wraith Star a bit less impressive.

**Hollismason**

Somebody needs to ask him is Warscythe stayed the same, and what exactly the point value for the fliers is.

Also, point values for Tomb Blades.

I'm pretty sure also Wraiths ignore cover so they wouldn't be hitting on initiative 1.

**God In Action**

What does swiftstrike do?

**ClockworkZion**

God In Action wrote:
What does swiftstrike do?

+3I

**Desubot**

God In Action wrote:
What does swiftstrike do?

I dont think its a USR

its probably fantasy style always strikes first maybe? Edit: NVM according to clockwork