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Here is my first takeaway:

If you are trying to Mini/Max, Wouldn't you rather have a Nightscythe over an Anni barge now that the Jink negates the Telsa shots multiplying?

JSJ with DS and HDS is going to be nice and survivalbility will be much better, but in a single CAD we now have a lot more options and no clear 'winner' for HS and FA.

After 4 months of re-collecting and playing and getting back in the hobby , now I will begrudgingly buy the Tomb blades. Because, buffs.

So... Am I the only one who's excited at the prospect of having a squad of Lychguards beam down from a Nightscyhte right in front of a gunline and popping a Solar Pulse via their friendly neighborhood Cryptek?

YOU BETTER RUN FAST FLESHLINGS, CAUSE YOU AIN'T GOING TO BRING DOWN THIS WALL OF T5 3+/4++/4+++ MURDER MACHINES MARCHING YOUR WAY WITH SNAPFIRE!


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Also, putting a cryptek with a chronometron in a Warscythe Lychguard unit sounds like fun.

 Galorian wrote:
So... Am I the only one who's excited at the prospect of having a squad of Lychguards beam down from a Nightscyhte right in front of a gunline and popping a Solar Pulse via their friendly neighborhood Cryptek?

YOU BETTER RUN FAST FLESHLINGS, CAUSE YOU AIN'T GOING TO BRING DOWN THIS WALL OF T5 3+/4++/4+++ MURDER MACHINES MARCHING YOUR WAY WITH SNAPFIRE!

No, because assaulting out of a Ghost Ark is way more exciting.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

Jaq Draco lives wrote:
All I've gotten from these current rumours is 4++ on wraiths means they are going to go down much faster despite T5

I need 200p of heavy destroyers, gives me the equivalent of devastator squad but much much better.

My overlord on CCB might look cheaper, but not if I want a 2+ save, and only a 4+ save makes him a fair bit worse and the points are about equivalent.

AB's got the points increase and the slight nerf to Tesla - they have to jink a lot now they suck. Lets put it another way, compare then to a vindicator which is always AV13 and is a large blast s10 ap1 large blast. Is the AB barge that good? Nah - doesn't even have a flipping AP value.

Definitely nothing too bad but where I struggled before I might struggle more.

No news on Imotekh? I'd love him to be a bad ass.

1) Im pretty sure its nearlly the same (though i should go math it out later)

4) But you get 13 on side. a single pen to a vindicator will for the most part neuter it (with shaken results +)

cant wait to see what level of shenanigans imotekh gets.

1. That might be one of those non intuitive math results, I'll wait for your post with interest. I do like the +3 initiative.

4. Its easy enough to be cautious with the vindicator. And you have the ability to seriously hurt anything. Barges can be all or nothing, good against light armour mainly but suck against most infantry with saves. It has lost a lot of the versatility in that I didn't mind so much that it had these faults because it was cheap and a distraction mostly, didn't matter if I jinked. I'll definitely still use them, but if I could swap them for vindicators I would.

T4 3++
11.11% st3
16.67% st4
22.22% st5
27.78% st6
t5 4++
8.33% st3
16.67% st4
25.00% st5
33.33% st6
41.67% st7

chance to wound. no ap yet because i dont know if they will keep the armor. Up to bolters they are better but will siginficatnly get worse once higher St comes into play. but will generally be identical if they have a 3+ armor save.

Is it confirmed Ghost Arks aren't Warriors only?

We had 1 person confirm it yes. They're a option in Fast Attack, it wouldn't make sense to make them a Fast Attack choice, then make them a Dedicated Transport who only Warriors and Immortals and can use.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Is it confirmed Ghost Arks aren't Warriors only?

Not 100%. Also it'd be good to know if they're DTs for other units and can replace more than just Warrior models.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Is it confirmed Ghost Arks aren't Warriors only?

Well as far as we know before the codex comes out, yes. The guy leaking everything said there is no restriction.

Which means if you want your Lychguard to have a transport you've also gotta use a FA slot which kind of sucks.

Awesome! That's good news, means I can still do my Immortal army (not so keen on the warrior models) but still use Ghost Arks (cool models, and the boost to RP is nice). Also, as said, things like Lichguard in them will be cool...

Hollismason wrote:
Which means if you want your Lychguard to have a transport you've also gotta use a FA slot which kind of sucks.

Nah. You take a dedicated Ark for your warriors and don't put them on the boat, then deploy the lychgaurd right next to it and get on 1st turn.

This codex is the best thing happening to Necrons since a long time! The sturdy metal phalanx is back!

Living metal, RP, the Obelisk, Lychguard!!, the wargear damn, that is fine! Veil of darkness, I love it! Warrior blobs with chronometron and the new orb I cannot wait to get all the combinations done

Also now that destroyers are Jet-Pack units. Now this is amazing! Imagine this in fast objective play: jump 6 shoot, then jump up to 2d6 to the objectie or back in cover - this is going to be annoying and devastating: combined with two wounds and the new RP on a multiwound model and other wargear wich the destructor lord can talk will be fun!

Awwwww yes!






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Lychguard do not need a transport now, they are dead-hard to gun down now just spare the points for the transport and bring more ))))

 docdoom77 wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Which means if you want your Lychguard to have a transport you've also gotta use a FA slot which kind of sucks.

Nah. You take a dedicated Ark for your warriors and don't put them on the boat, then deploy the lychgaurd right next to it and get on 1st turn.

Or clear up FA slots by taking the Canoptek or Destroyer formations.

I'm actually tentatively excited now.

We haven't seen the rules for what regular Necron Lords do.

Hollismason wrote:
We haven't seen the rules for what regular Necron Lords do.

Add combat punch to a unit, I guess? Since Crypteks stole the Orb role I'm not sure what they're for anymore.

Orb may be Necron Lords only.

Yup, I'm interested in the wargear they can select.

changemod wrote:
Nah, it means there's a sweet spot they go down quicker to.
Against small arms fire, they're tougher.
Against S8 and 9 weaponry. They're tougher.
The sweet spot that kills them faster? S7 AP3.

You mistyped "plasma and grav".
It's just like MSS, which in theory is better.. unless you are playing against Fearless/ATSKNF.
It's as if the Emperor himself wrote the Codex.

And the rich get richer...

Kangodo wrote:
Yup, I'm interested in the wargear they can select.

changemod wrote:
Nah, it means there's a sweet spot they go down quicker to.
Against small arms fire, they're tougher.
Against S8 and 9 weaponry. They're tougher.
The sweet spot that kills them faster? S7 AP3.

You mistyped "plasma and grav".
It's just like MSS, which in theory is better.. unless you are playing against Fearless/ATSKNF.
It's as if the Emperor himself wrote the Codex.

Well, "Weak to grab centurions and grab bikers" isn't saying much.

Plasma thankfully is usually not too saturated, but I'll keep an eye out for that triple plasma Russ variant at any rate.

changemod wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
We haven't seen the rules for what regular Necron Lords do.

Add combat punch to a unit, I guess? Since Crypteks stole the Orb role I'm not sure what they're for anymore.

Hidden warscythe sergeants?

Kangodo wrote:
Yup, I'm interested in the wargear they can select.

changemod wrote:
Nah, it means there's a sweet spot they go down quicker to.
Against small arms fire, they're tougher.
Against S8 and 9 weaponry. They're tougher.
The sweet spot that kills them faster? S7 AP3.

You mistyped "plasma and grav".
It's just like MSS, which in theory is better.. unless you are playing against Fearless/ATSKNF.
It's as if the Emperor himself wrote the Codex.

How do you figure MSS is better? MSS added hits (and potentially really awesome hits) and nullified attacks. The new MSS just nullifies attacks.

Kangodo wrote:
Yup, I'm interested in the wargear they can select.

changemod wrote:
Nah, it means there's a sweet spot they go down quicker to.
Against small arms fire, they're tougher.
Against S8 and 9 weaponry. They're tougher.
The sweet spot that kills them faster? S7 AP3.

You mistyped "plasma and grav".
It's just like MSS, which in theory is better.. unless you are playing against Fearless/ATSKNF.
It's as if the Emperor himself wrote the Codex.

Well gravs always hurt in exactly the same way.

They become the same at autocannons and SMS with a 3+ armor save but plasma hurts them a bit harder. but are better against lascannons because T5

Fear test is WS1 right? so it dosent even fully nullify hits. its a straight nerf not even in theory.

The point was more that it's stronger against nearly everything except for two weapon-types which are spammed by one specific faction

col_impact wrote:
How do you figure MSS is better? MSS added hits (and potentially really awesome hits) and nullified attacks. The new MSS just nullifies attacks.

Because Fear applies to the entire unit, despite the weird wording it seems to have.
That could actually be good if some Factions in this game (Yes, we all know who I am talking about) didn't have the habit of ignoring entire gameplay-rules.

Kangodo wrote:
The point was more that it's stronger against nearly everything except for two weapon-types which are spammed by one specific faction

col_impact wrote:
How do you figure MSS is better? MSS added hits (and potentially really awesome hits) and nullified attacks. The new MSS just nullifies attacks.

Because Fear applies to the entire unit, despite the weird wording it seems to have.
That could actually be good if some Factions in this game (Yes, we all know who I am talking about) didn't have the habit of ignoring entire gameplay-rules.

Pretty sure that almost everyone will argue that the fear doesn't spread to the unit. If it did, hell yes.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
The point was more that it's stronger against nearly everything except for two weapon-types which are spammed by one specific faction

col_impact wrote:
How do you figure MSS is better? MSS added hits (and potentially really awesome hits) and nullified attacks. The new MSS just nullifies attacks.

Because Fear applies to the entire unit, despite the weird wording it seems to have.
That could actually be good if some Factions in this game (Yes, we all know who I am talking about) didn't have the habit of ignoring entire gameplay-rules.

Pretty sure that almost everyone will argue that the fear doesn't spread to the unit. If it did, hell yes.

Why wouldn't it?

The big problem is that it's not some factions that ignore Fear, it's most factions.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
The point was more that it's stronger against nearly everything except for two weapon-types which are spammed by one specific faction

col_impact wrote:
How do you figure MSS is better? MSS added hits (and potentially really awesome hits) and nullified attacks. The new MSS just nullifies attacks.

Because Fear applies to the entire unit, despite the weird wording it seems to have.
That could actually be good if some Factions in this game (Yes, we all know who I am talking about) didn't have the habit of ignoring entire gameplay-rules.

Pretty sure that almost everyone will argue that the fear doesn't spread to the unit. If it did, hell yes.

Fear is a unit test.

 Fafnir13 wrote:
The big problem is that it's not some factions that ignore Fear, it's most factions.

Necrons aren't weak to SM. They are weak to Orks, Nids, etc.

MSS grant conditional Fear?

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