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Uh the Cryptek ability is not 1 use only the Ressurection Orb is 1 use only. A Necron Lord w/ a Rez Orb and a Cryptek in a unit is going to give it a one time 4++ rerollable save.

There is in fact a Formation that allows you take a Royal court with multiple Crypteks.

Also, they don't take up a HQ slot if you have a Overlord.

Hollismason wrote:
Uh the Cryptek ability is not 1 use only the Ressurection Orb is 1 use only. A Necron Lord w/ a Rez Orb and a Cryptek in a unit is going to give it a 4+ rerollable save.

There is in fact a Formation that allows you take a Royal court with multiple Crypteks.

Also, they don't take up a HQ slot if you have a Overlord.

There is a formation, which is great for casual play, but all my local tourneys require the combined arms detatchment, sans Lord of War. I don't think that's uncommon. Formations are fun, but you can't always rely on them.

Hollismason wrote:
Uh the Cryptek ability is not 1 use only the Ressurection Orb is 1 use only. A Necron Lord w/ a Rez Orb and a Cryptek in a unit is going to give it a one time 4++ rerollable save.

There is in fact a Formation that allows you take a Royal court with multiple Crypteks.

Also, they don't take up a HQ slot if you have a Overlord.

All I've seen is the one use only thing, haven't seen that one yet.

Yeah people are just gonna have to put on their big boy pants and accept that formations are a part of the game now.

Also, the Decurion formation is a special detachment battleforged that is made up of other Formations.

It's not a Formation in itself.

Lords could, at the very least, equip Warscythes and thus do anything but standing around. Crypteks...couldn't. They were just...there.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Uh the Cryptek ability is not 1 use only the Ressurection Orb is 1 use only. A Necron Lord w/ a Rez Orb and a Cryptek in a unit is going to give it a one time 4++ rerollable save.

There is in fact a Formation that allows you take a Royal court with multiple Crypteks.

Also, they don't take up a HQ slot if you have a Overlord.

All I've seen is the one use only thing, haven't seen that one yet.

Crypteks have the special rule Technomancer or whatever it's call that adds +1 to the RP of a unit it is with.

Hollismason wrote:
Everyone here realizes that it's the exact same point cost from 5th edition to 7th edition to give a squad a +1 to RP, right?

Previously it was a Lord w/ a Orb, 65 points.

Crypteks are now base 65 points and give +1 to the roll.

Yep.

Personally I do prefer the idea of Crypteks who don't have a mandatory 30 point upgrade, but I'm biased by my 27 uniquely converted Harbinger models, some of which I haven't even used in a game yet.

Court of Despair: Cairn Wraith and Banshee conversions, using Deathmark, warrior, wraith and Spyder parts.

Court of Destruction: Praetorian and Tesla Immortals with Deathmark heads, modified to have Gauss Cannons and Tesla Cannons on the end of their existing weapons. Leader doubles as Szeras.

Court of the Storm: Anrakyr and Warriors with Deathmark heads, wraith guns to resemble lightning guns.

Court of Transmogrification: A band. Lead and Bass guitarists, singer, drummer, keyboardist.

Court of Generic: Five modified warrior/Immortal/Deathmark hybrids with "Staff of Light" guns.

And two Eternity Crypteks, modelled as Orikan and Toholk the Blinded.

And now? Pretty models, not much use.

Oh well, the Court of Despair and the Court of Generic should be usable as extra Deathmarks. Storm Leader is a passable Imhotek. The band are more an amusing gimmick than a playable unit in the first place.

Still some waste though.

Hollismason wrote:

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Uh the Cryptek ability is not 1 use only the Ressurection Orb is 1 use only. A Necron Lord w/ a Rez Orb and a Cryptek in a unit is going to give it a one time 4++ rerollable save.

There is in fact a Formation that allows you take a Royal court with multiple Crypteks.

Also, they don't take up a HQ slot if you have a Overlord.

All I've seen is the one use only thing, haven't seen that one yet.

Crypteks have the special rule Technomancer or whatever it's call that adds +1 to the RP of a unit it is with.

Yeah saw that but does it also add an orb that isn't one use only or over ride that rule as well?

Hollismason wrote:


Also, they don't take up a HQ slot if you have a Overlord.

I hadn't seen this among the rumors. Good stuff, if that's the case.

Cryptek HQ and Royal Court formation is probably going to be popular.

Quantum-shielding being AV13 all-around is a pretty big fething deal.

I mean, it single handedly gaks on the Pentyrant build.

They also get the staff that automatically gives them invisibility for a full turn for 15 points now whether that's a 1 item per army or not we don't know.

Previously the Cryptek stuff was not one per army. Hopefully it's not 1 per army.

Now we have multiple builds that are more than viable. Scarab swarm is still around, little pricier but now we've got better Tomb Blades, Praetorians, Triarch Stalkers ( +1 Ballistic to a squad with in "12, that's pretty sweet), Lych Guard, Cheaper Bargelords ( - some abilities of course) , Better flayed ones, Better Destroyers, Better H. Destroyers.

A actually better rule now Reanimation Protocols is actually a legit better rule. Works on multi-wound models, a improved FNP, ways to increase it's bonus, statistically better on Assault units. It's a better rule.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Quantum-shielding being AV13 all-around is a pretty big fething deal.

I mean, it single handedly gaks on the Pentyrant build.

Not necessarily, because now tesla destructors are not as effective against them either.

Hollismason wrote:
They also get the staff that automatically gives them invisibility for a full turn for 15 points now whether that's a 1 item per army or not we don't know.

Previously the Cryptek stuff was not one per army. Hopefully it's not 1 per army.

That will absolutely be interesting.

 jy2 wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Quantum-shielding being AV13 all-around is a pretty big fething deal.

I mean, it single handedly gaks on the Pentyrant build.

Not necessarily, because now tesla destructors are not as effective against them either.

Night Scythe as go-to flyer defence, I guess. Unless one of the formations is kind enough to help out.

Death Ray suffers from being a blast weapon of course. To this day I haven't the slightest clue why Skyfire doesn't let blasts hit flyers.

changemod wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Quantum-shielding being AV13 all-around is a pretty big fething deal.

I mean, it single handedly gaks on the Pentyrant build.

Not necessarily, because now tesla destructors are not as effective against them either.

Night Scythe as go-to flyer defence, I guess. Unless one of the formations is kind enough to help out.

Death Ray suffers from being a blast weapon of course. To this day I haven't the slightest clue why Skyfire doesn't let blasts hit flyers.

It probably has to do with how big the model is, so blasts would be much easier to hit (which wouldn't be the case in fluff because altitudes)

 jy2 wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Quantum-shielding being AV13 all-around is a pretty big fething deal.

I mean, it single handedly gaks on the Pentyrant build.

Not necessarily, because now tesla destructors are not as effective against them either.

Tomb Blades may be more effective at killing them now. 2 pt upgrade to ignore cover with Nebuloscope and packing ST5 weapons isn't terrible against Flyrants, who I believe are T6. Larger Squads as well.

Also, Tesla isn't less effective it's situationally less effective. If a Tesla Carrying Annihilation Barge never has to Jink then it's always going to get the bonus shots. Now it won't have extra hits on them if they're swooping but if they're just flying normally. Then what's the problem?

According to rumours or semi verified that the AV13 all around only goes away at penetrating hits, they'll be pretty effective against Fliers still.

 jy2 wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Quantum-shielding being AV13 all-around is a pretty big fething deal.

I mean, it single handedly gaks on the Pentyrant build.

Not necessarily, because now tesla destructors are not as effective against them either.

The thing is, they don't need to even bother with the Flyrants. Once the 'Cron mech wipes out your ground game with relative impunity and all you have left is Flyrants, they're free to rack up the objective points.

Tyrants will be forced to glide in order to capture or contest, and that's pretty much the gg.

I guess there's still electro-grubs, but, I don't think that'll be enough to take down a full 'Cron mech list.

Well that and the fact that on the first turn bottling up in front of a Venomthrope or Malanthrope isn't that great anymore when the Necrons can shoot at the guy giving you great cover saves with ignore cover ST5 weapons. I guess you have Void Shields to.

Army got some serious buffs, I'm stoked.

How useful is the Obelisk as a Monolith substitute with no snap fire benefit?

Doesn't have the gate, no central gun... But it does have 6 HP, AV 14 and immunity to most vehicle damage effects.

It's not dying any time soon, but Dangerous Terrain to flyers isn't as good as the gate.

changemod wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Quantum-shielding being AV13 all-around is a pretty big fething deal.

I mean, it single handedly gaks on the Pentyrant build.

Not necessarily, because now tesla destructors are not as effective against them either.

Night Scythe as go-to flyer defence, I guess. Unless one of the formations is kind enough to help out.

Death Ray suffers from being a blast weapon of course. To this day I haven't the slightest clue why Skyfire doesn't let blasts hit flyers.

It does let you hit FMC with blasts though... for reasons unknown to me...

 Zewrath wrote:

changemod wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Quantum-shielding being AV13 all-around is a pretty big fething deal.

I mean, it single handedly gaks on the Pentyrant build.

Not necessarily, because now tesla destructors are not as effective against them either.

Night Scythe as go-to flyer defence, I guess. Unless one of the formations is kind enough to help out.

Death Ray suffers from being a blast weapon of course. To this day I haven't the slightest clue why Skyfire doesn't let blasts hit flyers.

It does let you hit FMC with blasts though... for reasons unknown to me...

Doom Scythe spells a degree of death to Daemon Princes and Flyrants I suppose.

The Older style Necron army that is was using for so long with Bargelords, Annihilation Barges, and Nightscythes is a little bit less effective now with some of the points increases, but we gained a lot more than the army lost.

We also still don't know the rules for multiple units etc..

Everything I've seen has been rather well predictable and if not that pretty encouraging.

We joke about Fear and how pathetic it is. Really makes you wonder about the guys in the studio and if they really understand that most the armies in the game flat out ignore that rule.

Yeah I can only think of like 1 army that doesn't and that's Tau? I don't think Tau have a way to ignore fear maybe?

It's pretty much the most useless rule.

I think one of the biggest take always is actually the melding of super-heavies into normal slots with the Stormlord being the lord of war apparently. Yes, we have the knight codex, but having a t-c'tan and obelisk (and apparently the vault) in normal force org slots is pretty interesting for future codexes.

 buddha wrote:
I think one of the biggest take always is actually the melding of super-heavies into normal slots with the Stormlord being the lord of war apparently. Yes, we have the knight codex, but having a t-c'tan and obelisk (and apparently the vault) in normal force org slots is pretty interesting for future codexes.

Its like they dont expect people to just say no to SH/GC.

I think its fine. if they can tweak it so they are relatively balanced enough to take i dont think it would be that bad. D weapon changes and Trany changes means it wont be so bad.

Hollismason wrote:
The Older style Necron army that is was using for so long with Bargelords, Annihilation Barges, and Nightscythes is a little bit less effective now with some of the points increases, but we gained a lot more than the army lost.

Well, the real "Older style" army is a mix of gauss spam with Destroyer support, a Monolith and maybe a few Wraiths.

Which has... Kinda made a comeback? Not entirely. If you want a single central land raider priced vehicle to rally around I guess I'd suggest a Tesseract Ark. Has a 5++ and some very nice shooting options. That's forge world though, and yeah: Still not a viable core codex Monolith.

What it really comes down to is that pretty much any unit worth assaulting with is going to be some brand of fearless. Most models that are susceptible to fear are going to be gak in melee anyway I.E. Guardsmen, Eldar, Tau etc.

Yeah. It's a pretty joke USR tbh.

I think it's funny that we get the Tesserract Vault as a Lord of War that thing is crazy , throwing out Apocalyptic Blasts in normal games.