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That is not how it works.
The Codex would need a restriction that it can only be taken in Detachments/Formations from the Codex.

What is the exact wording that units in the Mephirit dynasty have for their weapon selection (I don't own the book)?

Does the wording of wraithflight make it so we dotn lose int on charge through difficult ? Is charging just considered moving ?

Yes. It will be argued that it doesn't, but this is extremely similar wording to how it was before, and beasts as well, yet that also reduced initiative. Unless it explicitly states it doesn't lower initiative, like grenades, it does following precedent of previous rulings. It sucks, but at least we know it's coming this time.

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:

changemod wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
With the new rules, what do you use Overlords for now?

- It's not for MSS
- It's not for Res. Orbs
- It's not to unlock a Royal Court
- It's not for tanking wounds

What do you use them for?

Lychguard unit sergeant, I guess?

No way. That's the Cryptek. 3++/4+ RP. Yummy. Assuming you give them dispersion shields of course.

Again? YOU CAN'T GIVE ANYONE Dispersion Shields

And as I clearly said a few posts ago, that's not what I was saying at all. I was saying that a unit of Lychguard w/ dispersions shields, accompanied by a Cryptek would have a 3++ w/ 4+ RP. So before you go caps-lock-yelling at me. Please read what I have to say.

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:
How does that matter aren't all vehicles relentless anyway?

This is coming from the company that just put a Salvo 5/10 weapon on Ghost Arks
Do not question the rules!

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:

changemod wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
With the new rules, what do you use Overlords for now?

- It's not for MSS
- It's not for Res. Orbs
- It's not to unlock a Royal Court
- It's not for tanking wounds

What do you use them for?

Lychguard unit sergeant, I guess?

No way. That's the Cryptek. 3++/4+ RP. Yummy. Assuming you give them dispersion shields of course.

Again? YOU CAN'T GIVE ANYONE Dispersion Shields

We have to see the actual Technoarcana purchase list with point costs and restrictions to know. Dispersion Shields are listed under Technoarcana so it could be allowed. We don't know one way or another at this point.

 docdoom77 wrote:

 Henker-Kind wrote:
Is the tesla destruktor on night scythes still synchronized?

If you mean Twin-linked, then yes.

Yeah, "synchronisiert" is the german wording, i autotranslated it that way ^^

Eyjio wrote:
What is the exact wording that units in the Mephirit dynasty have for their weapon selection (I don't own the book)?

It's not a wording in the unit, it's a wording in the Relics:

Characters with the Necrons Faction that are part of a Detachment or Formation presented in this book can select an item from the Relics of the War in Heaven list at the points cost shown.

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

 RivenSkull wrote:

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
Is it just me or has the Tesla destructor lost the Arc rule? So no more extra snapshot hits. Price bump. And nor more arc? Would make em kinda sad losing the arc IMO. Rest i can live with just fine

Don't forget it being heavy now

How does that matter aren't all vehicles relentless anyway?

Ugh, it is not my day for remembering rules. But it's also been over a year since my last game as well.

 skybax wrote:

jackedup wrote:kay this is the entire wargear list:

Ranged Weapons:
Gauntlet of Fire
Tachyon Arrow

Melee Weapons:
Hyperhpase Sword
Voidblade
Warscythe

Technoarcana:
Mindshackle Scarabs
Phylactery
Ressurection Orb
Phase Shifter

Artefacts:
Solar Staff
Veil of Darkness
Gauntlet of the Conflagrator
Voidreaper
Nightmare Shroud
Orb of Eternity

That's it. The end.

Read more: http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/48760/new-necrons-codex?page=5#ixzz3Q3im0eSc

Hey guys, how do we get Chronometrons then?

Ha, let's wait for that picture I guess.

Its under cryptek data card options I'm pretty sure.... It's a stupid format the new books use.

Kangodo wrote:

Eyjio wrote:
What is the exact wording that units in the Mephirit dynasty have for their weapon selection (I don't own the book)?

It's not a wording in the unit, it's a wording in the Relics:

Characters with the Necrons Faction that are part of a Detachment or Formation presented in this book can select an item from the Relics of the War in Heaven list at the points cost shown.

Huh? Does it just say "use the unit rules from the codex" or something then rather than listing vague profiles?

Kangodo wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:
How does that matter aren't all vehicles relentless anyway?

This is coming from the company that just put a Salvo 5/10 weapon on Ghost Arks
Do not question the rules!

Ha well I think that change is just so they could do away with the weird "Five Gauss Flayers taped together" rule. Salvos are described as "More destructive then Rapid Fire".

But yes, it's a little nonsensical.

Eyjio wrote:
Huh? Does it just say "use the unit rules from the codex" or something then rather than listing vague profiles?

Exterminatus is basically a supplement.
It gives additional rules to use with the Codex.
You have a few Formations and a Detachment.
And units in a Detachment/Formation from Exterminatus can take Relics and Warlord Traits from Exterminatus.

Requizen wrote:

 skybax wrote:

jackedup wrote:kay this is the entire wargear list:

Ranged Weapons:
Gauntlet of Fire
Tachyon Arrow

Melee Weapons:
Hyperhpase Sword
Voidblade
Warscythe

Technoarcana:
Mindshackle Scarabs
Phylactery
Ressurection Orb
Phase Shifter

Artefacts:
Solar Staff
Veil of Darkness
Gauntlet of the Conflagrator
Voidreaper
Nightmare Shroud
Orb of Eternity

That's it. The end.

Read more: http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/48760/new-necrons-codex?page=5#ixzz3Q3im0eSc

Hey guys, how do we get Chronometrons then?

Ha, let's wait for that picture I guess.

You can see Dispersion Shield in the Technoarcana section here

http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11577037-portada-y-lider-del-codex-necron-un-monton-de-fotos-y-reglas-a-dia-27/#106144874

What's missing though is the purchase list which includes points and purchase restrictions. So it's anyone's guess.

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:
Ha well I think that change is just so they could do away with the weird "Five Gauss Flayers taped together" rule. Salvos are described as "More destructive then Rapid Fire".
But yes, it's a little nonsensical.

You don't hear me complaining.
I can now fire 20 shots at 24" and 30 at 12".
That are five more shots at 24" and in return we can:
-No longer take Warriors with Characters in a GA.
-Pay 10 less for the Ghost Ark.

 Skanktastic wrote:
Does the wording of wraithflight make it so we dotn lose int on charge through difficult ? Is charging just considered moving ?

Aren't beasts unaffected by difficult terrain, even when charging?

col_impact wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 skybax wrote:

jackedup wrote:kay this is the entire wargear list:

Ranged Weapons:
Gauntlet of Fire
Tachyon Arrow

Melee Weapons:
Hyperhpase Sword
Voidblade
Warscythe

Technoarcana:
Mindshackle Scarabs
Phylactery
Ressurection Orb
Phase Shifter

Artefacts:
Solar Staff
Veil of Darkness
Gauntlet of the Conflagrator
Voidreaper
Nightmare Shroud
Orb of Eternity

That's it. The end.

Read more: http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/48760/new-necrons-codex?page=5#ixzz3Q3im0eSc

Hey guys, how do we get Chronometrons then?

Ha, let's wait for that picture I guess.

You can see Dispersion Shield in the Technoarcana section here

http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11577037-portada-y-lider-del-codex-necron-un-monton-de-fotos-y-reglas-a-dia-27/#106144874

What's missing though is the purchase list which includes points and purchase restrictions. So it's anyone's guess.

The wargear list and the rules section can be different things.

col_impact wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 skybax wrote:

jackedup wrote:kay this is the entire wargear list:

Ranged Weapons:
Gauntlet of Fire
Tachyon Arrow

Melee Weapons:
Hyperhpase Sword
Voidblade
Warscythe

Technoarcana:
Mindshackle Scarabs
Phylactery
Ressurection Orb
Phase Shifter

Artefacts:
Solar Staff
Veil of Darkness
Gauntlet of the Conflagrator
Voidreaper
Nightmare Shroud
Orb of Eternity

That's it. The end.

Read more: http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/48760/new-necrons-codex?page=5#ixzz3Q3im0eSc

Hey guys, how do we get Chronometrons then?

Ha, let's wait for that picture I guess.

You can see Dispersion Shield in the Technoarcana section here

http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11577037-portada-y-lider-del-codex-necron-un-monton-de-fotos-y-reglas-a-dia-27/#106144874

What's missing though is the purchase list which includes points and purchase restrictions. So it's anyone's guess.

It's right there dude. It would not be the first book set up that way, there are MULTIPLE pices of gear in my DE book I can't buy from the wargear section.

So guys,

I am again very interested in scarabs against Imperial Knights and got some questions:

-the shield of the knight, does it work in the close combat phase too?
-knights have ini 4 right?

scarabs are interesting against all super heavies now...

 undertow wrote:

 Skanktastic wrote:
Does the wording of wraithflight make it so we dotn lose int on charge through difficult ? Is charging just considered moving ?

Aren't beasts unaffected by difficult terrain, even when charging?

They are not slowed by terrain and auto-pass dangerous terrain tests.

Not being slowed by terrain/auto-passing dt tests is not the same being unaffected by terrain.

Treating all terrain as open however...

 undertow wrote:

 Skanktastic wrote:
Does the wording of wraithflight make it so we dotn lose int on charge through difficult ? Is charging just considered moving ?

Aren't beasts unaffected by difficult terrain, even when charging?

You still are reduced to Init 1 if you don't have grenades or stuff that says that your Init isn't reduced.

Kangodo wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:
Ha well I think that change is just so they could do away with the weird "Five Gauss Flayers taped together" rule. Salvos are described as "More destructive then Rapid Fire".
But yes, it's a little nonsensical.

You don't hear me complaining.
I can now fire 20 shots at 24" and 30 at 12".
That are five more shots at 24" and in return we can:
-No longer take Warriors with Characters in a GA.
-Pay 10 less for the Ghost Ark.

Not sure about your math here. The Ghost Ark is relentless, so each array always fires 10 shots regardless of range. So 20 shots all the time (though it's usually 10 at 2 different targets, because of how they are arranged). If you're including the shots from embarked warriors, you're looking at 30 shots from 12-24" and 40 shots at 12" or less.

Yeh, you can't give Overlords shields. Otherwise you could give them chronometrons, gloom prisms and claw arrays as well.

 undertow wrote:

 Skanktastic wrote:
Does the wording of wraithflight make it so we dotn lose int on charge through difficult ? Is charging just considered moving ?

Aren't beasts unaffected by difficult terrain, even when charging?

They are not slowed by difficult terrain, pass DT tests and have Fleet.

But Charging tells us that "the charging unit now moves into close combat".
Since the rule says "When moving" and not "In the Movement Phase" I would say that they won't be reduced to I1.

To bad that they're also beasts and beasts ignore difficult terrain.


Deathmarks are a seriously awesome unit. That's a nice counter to Centurion Star some what.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

 undertow wrote:

 Skanktastic wrote:
Does the wording of wraithflight make it so we dotn lose int on charge through difficult ? Is charging just considered moving ?

Aren't beasts unaffected by difficult terrain, even when charging?

You still are reduced to Init 1 if you don't have grenades or stuff that says that your Init isn't reduced.

If you "treat difficult as open terrain" how would you be reduced to I1? Open terrain does not reduce initiative.

Kangodo wrote:

Eyjio wrote:
Huh? Does it just say "use the unit rules from the codex" or something then rather than listing vague profiles?

Exterminatus is basically a supplement.
It gives additional rules to use with the Codex.
You have a few Formations and a Detachment.
And units in a Detachment/Formation from Exterminatus can take Relics and Warlord Traits from Exterminatus.

Ohh, so it just basically goes "use overlord rules from codex, also here's some extra stuff it can take" then? That's pretty sweet and yes, it would seem they can take both relics then.

Not sure why anyone's hugely excited over the unique war scythe though, for 30 points you basically gain fleshbane (only even comes into play on T6+ things which can mostly insta-kill you anyway) and master crafted (nice, but not THAT good). The normal scythe is basically superior otherwise.

They're also beasts, it's not a issue. More people should be happier with the Deathmarks if that's their ability to fire on a unit that deep strikes in from reserve.

Chronometron is a Cryptek upgrade option listed in their profile page.

 Galorian wrote:
Chronometron is a Cryptek upgrade option listed in their profile page.

They should really make a more boss like model giving how usefull they become - i cannot stand that ape like idiot egyption beard old and undetailed and unimpressive dull look (sry)

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Eyjio wrote:

changemod wrote:

Requizen wrote:
You can't mix and match relics, unless I'm missing something.

Normally, yes. I'm looking for the actual prohibition though.

Tried both the front of the book where it says relics are one per army, and on the actual relic page.

Does it say models from the Mephirit dynasty can take items from the Technoarcana or Artifacts of the Aeons? If not, you have your answer.

No... the Technoacrcana would be wargear that would be used by whatever models can take the Technoacrana. Artifacts of the Aeons would be our equivalent of relics.

this is not necessarily the case, as is shown by the Dark Eldar codex. Their wargear selection lists reavers, but no one has the ability to select them. Technoarcana most likely has items in it that are not selectable by any character models but are listed in certain unit entries e.g. tomb blades, lychguard.