Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)

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**docdoom77**

Vaktathi wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
Unix wrote:
Quick question. The Ghost Ark transport capacity is 10, and it specifically states that it can only carry warriors and necron characters with the infantry type. However since the min unit size for warriors is 10, there's no way to initially transport an attached character correct?

As far as we can see, yes. It most likely is an oversight by someone who didn't understand why GA used to be able to house 12 models.
When could Ghost Arks carry 12 models?

Never, but Warrior used to be minimum 5 models, so you could add in characters if you wanted. Now they are minimum 10. It's the warriros that changed, not the Ghost Ark.

**ImAGeek**

docdoom77 wrote:
Vaktathi wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
Unix wrote:
Quick question. The Ghost Ark transport capacity is 10, and it specifically states that it can only carry warriors and necron characters with the infantry type. However since the min unit size for warriors is 10, there's no way to initially transport an attached character correct?

As far as we can see, yes. It most likely is an oversight by someone who didn't understand why GA used to be able to house 12 models.
When could Ghost Arks carry 12 models?

Never, but Warrior used to be minimum 5 models, so you could add in characters if you wanted. Now they are minimum 10. It's the warriros that changed, not the Ghost Ark.

So is the GA still Warriors only?

**docdoom77**

ImAGeek wrote:
docdoom77 wrote:
Vaktathi wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
Unix wrote:
Quick question. The Ghost Ark transport capacity is 10, and it specifically states that it can only carry warriors and necron characters with the infantry type. However since the min unit size for warriors is 10, there's no way to initially transport an attached character correct?

As far as we can see, yes. It most likely is an oversight by someone who didn't understand why GA used to be able to house 12 models.
When could Ghost Arks carry 12 models?

Never, but Warrior used to be minimum 5 models, so you could add in characters if you wanted. Now they are minimum 10. It's the warriros that changed, not the Ghost Ark.

So is the GA still Warriors only?

'Fraid so.

**ImAGeek**

That sucks.

**SicSemperTyrannis**

ImAGeek wrote:
docdoom77 wrote:
Vaktathi wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
Unix wrote:
Quick question. The Ghost Ark transport capacity is 10, and it specifically states that it can only carry warriors and necron characters with the infantry type. However since the min unit size for warriors is 10, there's no way to initially transport an attached character correct?

As far as we can see, yes. It most likely is an oversight by someone who didn't understand why GA used to be able to house 12 models.
When could Ghost Arks carry 12 models?

Never, but Warrior used to be minimum 5 models, so you could add in characters if you wanted. Now they are minimum 10. It's the warriros that changed, not the Ghost Ark.

So is the GA still Warriors only?

Spoiler:

"Transport Capacity: Ten models. It can only carry Necron Warrios and Necron characters with the infantry unit type."

Wouldn´t that mean that you can still unload the warriors and load it up with crypteks? Cryptek Partybus Ho!

**Slayer le boucher**

Ghaz wrote:
Slayer le boucher wrote:
No simply do it like Flip belts for Arlys, where it explicitly says they are not penalised by the terrain for their init, even though they also ignores/trait difficult terrain as open.

It does not say that they treat the terrain as open ground as the 'Wraithflight' rule does. If you want to continue this discussion in YMDC, there's more than enough information available to start a thread there.

Sometimes i wish i had the english version of the rules to check something.

How is the rules for jump infantry and jumppack/jets( the tau thing) worded?

Because when i read it in my rulebook (french version), the wording is exactly the same as the Wraithflight, but you don't see Jump infantry etc, not having their Init impaired if they don't have nades.

I think its even a step towards the "not intended for this" since the way its worded for Jump infantry is "when a model use his jump( for moving, assaulting, or retreating), it can move over all other models and terrains...", still you don't see Jump infantry not been affected by the terrain when assaulting.

So i would like a clarification as of how it is worded in the rulebook page 65 and 66.

**KurtAngle2**

Sir, the Blitz rule specifies the same Moving Rules for Wraiths, and the Solitaire actually fights at Initiative thanks to the Flip Belt that negates Initiative Penalties for charging through difficult terrain.
The Wraiths do not fight at Initiative, PERIOD

Game
Set
Match

**col_impact**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
Ghaz wrote:
Slayer le boucher wrote:
No simply do it like Flip belts for Arlys, where it explicitly says they are not penalised by the terrain for their init, even though they also ignores/trait difficult terrain as open.

It does not say that they treat the terrain as open ground as the 'Wraithflight' rule does. If you want to continue this discussion in YMDC, there's more than enough information available to start a thread there.

Sometimes i wish i had the english version of the rules to check something.

How is the rules for jump infantry and jumppack/jets( the tau thing) worded?

Because when i read it in my rulebook (french version), the wording is exactly the same as the Wraithflight, but you don't see Jump infantry etc, not having their Init impaired if they don't have nades.

I think its even a step towards the "not intended for this" since the way its worded for Jump infantry is "when a model use his jump( for moving, assaulting, or retreating), it can move over all other models and terrains...", still you don't see Jump infantry not been affected by the terrain when assaulting.

So i would like a clarification as of how it is worded in the rulebook page 65 and 66.

Spoiler:

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KurtAngle2 wrote:

Sir, the Blitz rule specifies the same Moving Rules for Wraiths, and the Solitaire actually fights at Initiative thanks to the Flip Belt that negates Initiative Penalties for charging through difficult terrain.
The Wraiths do not fight at Initiative, PERIOD

Game
Set
Match

Relevance?

**Drakmord**

Do we know the stats of the Triarch Stalker, and has it and its wargear gone down any in cost? I'm brainstorming some lists and itching for more knowledge.

**docdoom77**

Drakmord wrote:
Do we know the stats of the Triarch Stalker, and has it and its wargear gone down any in cost? I'm brainstorming some lists and itching for more knowledge.

I was curious about this too. I love the model, but it was so overpriced.

**KurtAngle2**

docdoom77 wrote:
Drakmord wrote:
Do we know the stats of the Triarch Stalker, and has it and its wargear gone down any in cost? I'm brainstorming some lists and itching for more knowledge.

I was curious about this too. I love the model, but it was so overpriced.

**ImAGeek**

KurtAngle2 wrote:

Sir, the Blitz rule specifies the same Moving Rules for Wraiths, and the Solitaire actually fights at Initiative thanks to the Flip Belt that negates Initiative Penalties for charging through difficult terrain.
The Wraiths do not fight at Initiative, PERIOD

Game
Set
Match

Again. GW aren't renowned for writing clear, consistent rules. This doesn't mean anything in relation to the Wraiths. It needs an FAQ.

**docdoom77**

KurtAngle2 wrote:
docdoom77 wrote:
Drakmord wrote:
Do we know the stats of the Triarch Stalker, and has it and its wargear gone down any in cost? I'm brainstorming some lists and itching for more knowledge.

I was curious about this too. I love the model, but it was so overpriced.

Awesome! Have an exalt sir!

It's cheaper. And if I read it right, the +1 ballistic skill is "always on" for units w/n 6" unless snapshotting.

**WrentheFaceless**

changemod wrote:
I wanna know the order of operations for Deathmarks. Shooting a Grav Star immediately is amazing. Shooting them after they get to shoot first is a distraction.

Depends, rules and YMDC cant decide if using Gate of Infinity counts as coming from Deep Strike Reserves or not.

**KurtAngle2**

docdoom77 wrote:
KurtAngle2 wrote:
docdoom77 wrote:
Drakmord wrote:
Do we know the stats of the Triarch Stalker, and has it and its wargear gone down any in cost? I'm brainstorming some lists and itching for more knowledge.

I was curious about this too. I love the model, but it was so overpriced.

Awesome! Have an exalt sir!

It's cheaper. And if I read it right, the +1 ballistic skill is "always on" for units w/n 6" unless snapshotting.

Much better in the right circumstances

**Hollismason**

Oh my god why are you still talking about this? Seriously take it to YMDC.

**KurtAngle2**

Mis Valientes Guerreros blog has almost all the images you'll find online

**Hollismason**

Has anyone got the exact rule for the Deathmarks, there's something funny I think you may be able to do.

**Drakmord**

EDIT: I double-posted, neat! Sorry about that folks.

**ImAGeek**

I'm glad Stalkers are good. I love that model.

**buddha**

Stalkers are pretty great now. Good point drop, can be taken in squadrons, area of effect support.

**WrentheFaceless**

See, this is how a codex should be, everything seems to have a use one way or another now. Minimal dead weight units

And nothing really blatantly OP from what we know thus far

**HeavyMetalMan**

http://valientesguerreros.blogspot.com.es/2015/01/leaks-del-codex-necron-cg-traits-y.html

http://valientesguerreros.blogspot.com.es/2015/01/leaks-del-codex-necron-parte-2-tropas.html

Picture leaks.

**RivenSkull**

Stalker took a nice sidegrade. No longer giving TL, but the +1 can be used on multiple targets, and it's cheaper.

And they can be taken in groups of 3. That add to their survivability so much

**Galorian**

KurtAngle2 wrote:

Sir, the Blitz rule specifies the same Moving Rules for Wraiths, and the Solitaire actually fights at Initiative thanks to the Flip Belt that negates Initiative Penalties for charging through difficult terrain.
The Wraiths do not fight at Initiative, PERIOD

Game
Set
Match

GW often puts in redundant things on models for completeness' sake if the model is supposed to have them.

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WrentheFaceless wrote:
And nothing really blatantly OP from what we know thus far

Except for Wraiths, possibly Tomb Blades too to a lesser degree.

**Hollismason**

Now think of combining Triarch Stalkers with H. Destroyers who can keep up with them and Jump Shoot Jump out from behind with BS5 Preferred enemy.

**astro_nomicon**

So I'm confused, any one have confirmation on Quantum Shielding yet? I've read just front and side and all around, and I reeealllly wanna know which it is

**adamsouza**

Henker-Kind wrote:
So guys,

I am again very interested in scarabs against Imperial Knights and got some questions:

-the shield of the knight, does it work in the close combat phase too?
-knights have ini 4 right?

scarabs are interesting against all super heavies now...

Knights are initiative 4

The Imperial Knight invulnerable save applies only to shooting, except the Forge World Cerastus Knight Lancer, who has a 5+ save that applies to both shooting and assault.

Unix wrote:
Quick question. The Ghost Ark transport capacity is 10, and it specifically states that it can only carry warriors and necron characters with the infantry type. However since the min unit size for warriors is 10, there's no way to initially transport an attached character correct?

Correct.

**Eyjio**

Hollismason wrote:
Now think of combining Triarch Stalkers with H. Destroyers who can keep up with them and Jump Shoot Jump out from behind with BS5 Preferred enemy.

They're pretty much the only things which can use it though. 6" range is tiny, and there's not a lot of long ranged infantry based weapons. I guess BS5 warriors are okay but really, what else is there?

**Ghaz**

KurtAngle2 wrote:

Spoiler:

Sir, the Blitz rule specifies the same Moving Rules for Wraiths, and the Solitaire actually fights at Initiative thanks to the Flip Belt that negates Initiative Penalties for charging through difficult terrain.
The Wraiths do not fight at Initiative, PERIOD

Game
Set
Match

Sorry, but that's hardly conclusive as GW has been known to give models multiple items that do the same thing (for example, some Space Marine characters have two Invulnerable saves when they can only use one). Basically Flip Belts are to Harlequins what Power Armour is to Marines. Again, if you want to continue the discussion, YMDC is the place.