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Eyjio wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Now think of combining Triarch Stalkers with H. Destroyers who can keep up with them and Jump Shoot Jump out from behind with BS5 Preferred enemy.

They're pretty much the only things which can use it though. 6" range is tiny, and there's not a lot of long ranged infantry based weapons. I guess BS5 warriors are okay but really, what else is there?

Judicator Battatlion=
1 unit of Triach Stalkers
2 units of Triarch Praetorians

Special Rules: Move Through Cover
At start of shooting phase, pick an enemy within LOS of Triarch Stalker. Re-roll failed to hit, to wound, and armour penetration rolls against the target until end of turn.

2 attacks instead of 1 for the praetorians, can select NS as dedicated, 12" Rod instead of 6", and 12 PPM reduction. That sure is a boost worth noting!

Some images we were missing before:


EDIT: Spoilered because the images are huge.

noticed CCB now gives rerolls to morale stuff fear and what not

Makes Flayed ones look even better...

col_impact wrote:

Eyjio wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Now think of combining Triarch Stalkers with H. Destroyers who can keep up with them and Jump Shoot Jump out from behind with BS5 Preferred enemy.

They're pretty much the only things which can use it though. 6" range is tiny, and there's not a lot of long ranged infantry based weapons. I guess BS5 warriors are okay but really, what else is there?

Judicator Battatlion=
1 unit of Triach Stalkers
2 units of Triarch Praetorians

Special Rules: Move Through Cover
At start of shooting phase, pick an enemy within LOS of Triarch Stalker. Re-roll failed to hit, to wound, and armour penetration rolls against the target until end of turn.

Yeah, that's very good but not really my point. I'm not questioning if stalkers are good (they're decent at least), I'm questioning the use of the BS5 perk. That formation is crazy though, Praetorians are good already. That and the wraith formation look to be the strongest in the book.

 astro_nomicon wrote:
So I'm confused, any one have confirmation on Quantum Shielding yet? I've read just front and side and all around, and I reeealllly wanna know which it is

The guy on The Hive forum stated he had made a mistake. It's just Front and Sides

 Ghaz wrote:
GW has been known to give models multiple items that do the same thing (for example, some Space Marine characters have two Invulnerable saves when they can only use one).

Draigo has 3 invulnerable saves and a psychic power that lets him flee combat. I'm convinced he's a coward as a result.

Stalker looks quite nice, though the complete lack of AP in combat remains absurd for a walker with giant claws bigger than many Monstrous Creatures.

I think its worth considering that the stalkers can now be taken in units of 1-3. The 6" range becomes a huge footprint when you consider you could have three of those things. Even two is huge. As vehicles they have a 4" coherency if you have a vehicle squadron so you could have stalker<4">stalker<4">stalker and 6"extending out from there with 3 stalkers. 375pts. That would cover a width of about 36", and a front and back area of about 16 inches for an oval shape. In other words you could give most of your army if you have a phalanx style army +1 BS.

This puts a lot of character, and c'tan models, up to BS6+ and gives things like destroyers BS5 With PE.

I think for someone who played a phalanx style army, thats pretty good.

Question about Voidblades.

It has both Rending and Entropic Strike. Both of those for the most part are the exact same thing, automatically causing a wound on a 6.

Would that mean that they cause 2 wounds automatically on a 6?

The Triarch formation bonus is really nice, but I don't know if I want 2x5 Praetorians. Their sticks are S:User now, but they got rid of Unwieldy so they can at least go before PFists. I'd get use out of them as a way of dealing with my main opponent's Steel Rain, that's for sure.

For now though I think I'll try the teleporting Lychguard squad mentioned earlier in the thread.

At this point, the leaks I'd like to see in person are the Heavy support, to see for myself if Heavy Destroyers can be taken as a unit as well as an upgrade and if these Superheavies really are just normal FOC non lord of war units, as well as one or two of the formations to be entirely sure they can be taken without needing to be part of a Decurion. Particularly Royal Court.

Eyjio wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Now think of combining Triarch Stalkers with H. Destroyers who can keep up with them and Jump Shoot Jump out from behind with BS5 Preferred enemy.

They're pretty much the only things which can use it though. 6" range is tiny, and there's not a lot of long ranged infantry based weapons. I guess BS5 warriors are okay but really, what else is there?

Not when you consider that vehicle squadrons have a 4 inch Coherency. That's about a 20 to 24 inch line across, ( Triarchs are about 4 to 5 inches across, 4 more for coherency) then extend that another 6, if any non vehicle is in range +1 to ballistic.

That's pretty good.


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blaktoof wrote:
I think its worth considering that the stalkers can now be taken in units of 1-3. The 6" range becomes a huge footprint when you consider you could have three of those things. Even two is huge. As vehicles they have a 4" coherency if you have a vehicle squadron so you could have stalker<4">stalker<4">stalker and 6"extending out from there with 3 stalkers. 375pts. That would cover a width of about 36", and a front and back area of about 16 inches for an oval shape. In other words you could give most of your army if you have a phalanx style army +1 BS.

This puts a lot of character, and c'tan models, up to BS6+ and gives things like destroyers BS5 With PE.

I think for someone who played a phalanx style army, thats pretty good.

This guy wrote it better and explained it better than I did.

I guess we will have to wait until full spoiling, but as written the Judicar Batallion would extend its buff to anything hitting or wounding the marked target.

Question:

I ordered the special edition with the Data Cards. Will it be mandatory for me to slap down the Deathmark card and yell "You have activated my trap card!" Every time I use Etherial Interception?

changemod wrote:
Question:

I ordered the special edition with the Data Cards. Will it be mandatory for me to slap down the Deathmark card and yell "You have activated my trap card!" Every time I use Etherial Interception?

Yes.

changemod wrote:
Question:

I ordered the special edition with the Data Cards. Will it be mandatory for me to slap down the Deathmark card and yell "You have activated my trap card!" Every time I use Etherial Interception?

Absolutely.

I still can get over that for a little under 250 points you can have Tomblades with 10 ST6 blasts, Ignore Cover, 3+ Cover, 3+ Armour, 5++ RP.

Great I have to buy more Tomb Blades.

Hollismason wrote:
I still can get over that for a little under 250 points you can have Tomblades with 10 ST6 blasts, Ignore Cover, 3+ Cover, 3+ Armour, 5++ RP.

Great I have to buy more Tomb Blades.

Can't have 3+ Jink and Ignore cover.

Tomb Blades are pretty damn good though.

Destroyer Formation + Judicator formation looks like LOTS of fun in my book.

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
I still can get over that for a little under 250 points you can have Tomblades with 10 ST6 blasts, Ignore Cover, 3+ Cover, 3+ Armour, 5++ RP.

Great I have to buy more Tomb Blades.

Can't have 3+ Jink and Ignore cover.

Tomb Blades are pretty damn good though.

Why not? Is it not a option to take all of them?

About that Wraithflight discussion.

i don't wish to go further, i will only say that everything showed is again proof that GW is unable to write 3 times a rule that does the same thing in the end in a clear manner*sight*.

Well still one last thing then i'm done with it since its not the most important.

if it is truly how it is supposed to work or not their will be a faq (in 3 to 6 months time...) or we will have to wait 8th Ed next year just like for the Grav weapons and vehicles cover/invul saves...

Neverless, someone speaked about Stalkers been 1-3 for each HS, i don't think so, nothing on the picture seems to go that way.

The picture is not from the "bestiary" since there is points cost, so it is the picture from the list entry( since the new 7Th dexes lists entries are like this now), could be wrong though.

Hollismason wrote:
I still can get over that for a little under 250 points you can have Tomblades with 10 ST6 blasts, Ignore Cover, 3+ Cover, 3+ Armour, 5++ RP.

Great I have to buy more Tomb Blades.

Bear in mind that the Ignores Cover is naturally no threat to Marines.

AP 5 on the blasts, so mostly Guard, Gaunts and Cultists you can obliterate there.

As for Fire Warriors: Gauss Blasters are ideal. Reroll to hit and wound on a 2+ makes for very easy obliteration.

Don't forget: Jetbikes are relentless and a handful of straggling survivors of a shooty horde will generally be even worse at combat than Necrons. Add insult to injury by consolidating to steal their cover save!

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

Neverless, someone speaked about Stalkers been 1-3 for each HS, i don't think so, nothing on the picture seems to go that way.

The picture is not from the "bestiary" since there is points cost, so it is the picture from the list entry( since the new 7Th dexes lists entries are like this now), could be wrong though.

First thing under Options: May include 2 additional.....

Hollismason wrote:

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
I still can get over that for a little under 250 points you can have Tomblades with 10 ST6 blasts, Ignore Cover, 3+ Cover, 3+ Armour, 5++ RP.

Great I have to buy more Tomb Blades.

Can't have 3+ Jink and Ignore cover.

Tomb Blades are pretty damn good though.

Why not? Is it not a option to take all of them?

Nebuloscopes and Shadowlooms are a "Any model can take one of the following" choice. So I suppose you could take one on some models and the other on different models, but you can't have both on the same model.

You'll obliterate a lot more than you think with ST6 blasts just from mass number of hits on the unit. Pair them up with a Destroyer Lord for preferred enemy then when you need to break off and grab a objective.

Gauss Blasters though are probably a better bet, ST5 Gauss that ignores cover and you can put out 20 shots that's twin linked. That'll put the hurt on a lot of things.

I'm sure someone could do the statistical odds on a Gliding Flyrant and what it would do to a Wave Serpent.

I'm okay with

Tomb Blades
220 Points
10 Gauss Blasters

Thought:If you combine the Orb of Eternity's +1 to reanimation with the Cryptek ability to +1 to reanimation, then get hit by Instant Death... Do you end up still rolling 4+?

Yeah neither allow you to go beyond that 4+.

 RivenSkull wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

Neverless, someone speaked about Stalkers been 1-3 for each HS, i don't think so, nothing on the picture seems to go that way.

The picture is not from the "bestiary" since there is points cost, so it is the picture from the list entry( since the new 7Th dexes lists entries are like this now), could be wrong though.

First thing under Options: May include 2 additional.....

Yeah saw it too late.

Well Ghost Arks are Fast Attack, so you can still do the party boat.

Buy a Fast Attack Ghost Ark, dump a bunch of Necron Lords in there with War Scythes and go to town, less effective now though.

changemod wrote:
Thought:If you combine the Orb of Eternity's +1 to reanimation with the Cryptek ability to +1 to reanimation, then get hit by Instant Death... Do you end up still rolling 4+?

I'd say yes, there's no order given in when the -1 and +1's are applied.