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4 sets of 5 St7 tesla shots that can all fire at different targets for 300pts? How much are 3 Annibarges now? 420....And that's 12 shots vs. 20 with higher AV and 3 less HP but not open topped.

Oh, and thunderblitz.

The hull points on annis is deceptive as well. Once they lose quantum shields they melt.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
AP-?

That seems... lame. Am I missing something here?

All Tesla is AP -


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Also in the Obelisk's favor: because of it being a Super Heavy Living Metal can regenerate it's HP.

 Hulksmash wrote:
4 sets of 5 St7 tesla shots that can all fire at different targets for 300pts? How much are 3 Annibarges now? 420....And that's 12 shots vs. 20 with higher AV and 3 less HP but not open topped.

Oh, and thunderblitz.

Yea thats what I saw too. I don't understand how people think that is bad, point for point it is WAY better output then Abarges or NS.

What's the fire arc of that thing anyway is it even possible to get two Tesla Cannons aimed on something .

They're hull mounted so unless your opponent spreads out a horde to be quite wide each sphere will be hitting a different target

Hollismason wrote:
What's the fire arc of that thing anyway is it even possible to get two Tesla Cannons aimed on something .

It'd be possible to get three tesla spheres on one target pretty easily if you point the closest sphere directly at your target.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
They're hull mounted so unless your opponent spreads out a horde to be quite wide each sphere will be hitting a different target

If you look at the model and the way the guns are placed you can probably get 3 on a single target but definitely 2 on 2 targets.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
They're hull mounted so unless your opponent spreads out a horde to be quite wide each sphere will be hitting a different target

If they are each different spheres, then that thing fires off a potential 20 shots (10 at a single target most likely) and each has the potential to have more hits on 6's.

That's nice.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
They're hull mounted so unless your opponent spreads out a horde to be quite wide each sphere will be hitting a different target

If you look at the model and the way the guns are placed you can probably get 3 on a single target but definitely 2 on 2 targets.

Hull mounted weapons only have a 45 degree arc, don't they (22.5 left and 22.5 right)? And since you can only 'swivel' 12.5 degrees down (and up) and considering the thing is mounted on a flying stand... getting 2 to hit 1 target would be a stretch.

Hrmmmm, you are all making very good points, if only it wasn't such a hideous model. Hull mounted doesn't mean " hull mounted" I don't think doesn't the guns move? like the little Tesla Spheres themselves move?

Oops, Dp

Even if you could only consistantly get two targets a turn with it, for 300 points its well worth it IMO. Two AB's are 240 for the same HP's on less armor that also is open topped and gets weaker after the forst pen each, and this thing has more shots with only two spheres lol. Nasty.

Has there been any rules changes on the Canoptek Spyders?

Anyone seen the entry for them?

Ok, so after reading all the posts in this thread (for quite some time) and all he other pages out there, seems like we are only missing a few things, please share if you have them;

list entry for
Doom Scythe
Spyder
Obelisk
Tesseract Vault.

*yes, we have the stats for some, but I want to see the actual pages if we have them.

We are also missing specifically is on the upgrade lists for characters and their cost page (yes, we have the description pages....all codex have those....but I want the list page that says what is avail in each category at what cost).

Finally, while I love that we are getting a lot of good builds (the best thing about ANY book really), I am a bit disappointed in MSS (fear? really? why not just make it like paraxoysm?) and the CTAN.

I love the ctan. The ctan fluff was what got me into the Necrons in the first place.

They were garbage last codex, and while a neat bag of tricks this one, they have unreliable powers, and will have issues making it into CC.

I don't know about your area, but in mine, there is a LOT of S7 shooting (lootas, tau, wave serpents, and don't even get me started on grav centurions) and with only a 50% save, a 4 wound ctan is toast.

In fact, anyone have any good suggestions for dealing with centurions? I am thinking either the solar pulse thing to protect some lychguard with scythes, or a ton of heavy destroyers.

other thoughts?

Yeah I'm curious as to what changes were made to the Spyders, we've got their special rules, but not the cost, unit type?

Like are they still Monstrous creatures, etc.. etc..

Can only hope their unit type moved to a 12 inch movement maybe that'd be pretty sweet.

We are also missing specifically is on the upgrade lists for characters and their cost page (yes, we have the description pages....all codex have those....but I want the list page that says what is avail in each category at what cost).

7th Ed codexes no longer have a separate unit pages and army lists. The point costs and slot are displayed at the top of the pages (which unfortunately weren't included in many of the images we have)

It sounds good but does it sound $190 good? (canadian prices, you fill in your own country's prices)

Requizen wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Doesn't matter how many times a C'tan can shoot, it's still most likely dead on Turn 1.

4 wounds at 7 Toughness with only a 4++ save just means you get to roll a lot of dice against wounds that still kill you. Every army runs spam guns.

Which is why the Conclave is even more appealing now. T8 makes it immune to Bolter equivalent fire, Crypteks are now 2W each to make it harder to get rid of that FNP, you can give them a Chronometron so they have their own Invuln Save, etc.

Conclave is a squad of T8, with 8 Wounds, 5+ FNP on the Shard/4+ Reanimation on the Crypteks, all with Invuln saves, with a possibly good shooting attack (and another really great shooting attack on the Nightbringer if you go with him). That's a scary-butt squad imo. What MC can rival that?

Well said.

You also get a couple of Staff of Lights to go with the Nightbringers shooting. Picture that popping out of a Mono. You're absolutely going to lay waist to MEq.

Granted, it's a minimum of 370 points. Fun, though.

 Screaming Echo wrote:
It sounds good but does it sound $190 good? (canadian prices, you fill in your own country's prices)

And that's why I plan to convert one.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

We are also missing specifically is on the upgrade lists for characters and their cost page (yes, we have the description pages....all codex have those....but I want the list page that says what is avail in each category at what cost).

7th Ed codexes no longer have a separate unit pages and army lists. The point costs and slot are displayed at the top of the pages (which unfortunately weren't included in many of the images we have)

I am talking about the costs for the UPGRADES.

As in an overlord can take items from the ranged weapons, etc. We have the decription pages, but NOT the important one - the one that lists exactly what can be taken, and the cost.
(and I like many others, am fairly certain dispersion shields are not on the Technoarcana lists).

Also, any suggestions for dealing with grav centurions?
(other than convincing the people who use them they are silly OP......I don't even play with mine in my marine lists).

I think they're worth trying, but Wraiths didn't get where they are because they do the most damage, they're awesome because they deal serious damage and are freaking insanely durable.

Funny, because TPs have always been about as durable, and now are significantly more durable, for their points.

damn wish i didnt sell that box of fething praetorians

Aldaris wrote:
Yeah, Flayed ones don't have fearless - but 130 points for a 10 model infiltrating unit that dishes out 50 S4 shred attacks on the charge is still pretty good.

Indeed, and the fact the RP happens before they have to check for breaking in CC, plus their massively increased damage output, means they won't be breaking often. (Not too mention if they are within 12" of a CCB they are basically fearless anyway).

Flayed Ones might be better but still not worth the dollar price.

5 finecast models for that price, nah. Not worth it.

I never liked the flayed one models personally. Never thought the execution of the flesh looked right, it also make no sense. These ancient killers appear from the ground wearing pink bloody flaps of flesh? lol.

Robot Mohel! lol

 Screaming Echo wrote:
Flayed Ones might be better but still not worth the dollar price.

5 finecast models for that price, nah. Not worth it.

Have no idea who would buy the finecast flayed ones. Not just the price, but I still can't get the image of someone having TP'd them out of my head.

The OOP metal flayed ones are far superior in appearance.

 King Pariah wrote:

 Screaming Echo wrote:
Flayed Ones might be better but still not worth the dollar price.

5 finecast models for that price, nah. Not worth it.

Have no idea who would buy the finecast flayed ones. Not just the price, but I still can't get the image of someone having TP'd them out of my head.

The OOP metal flayed ones are far superior in appearance.

Not to mention the fact that they are EASY to make from regular warriors lol.

The worst part about this codex is that there's so many models that I want to use. I have a crap ton of Destroyers that desperately want to be put on the table now. I have a Stalker that was constantly beaten up last edition.

On top of that, I have a box of Tomb Blades and 3 boxes of Wraiths. Originally, the Wraiths were going to be converted into Acanthrites, but oh goodness now they're so good. But I also kind of want to take a box back and exchange it for some Praetorian/Lychguard box because they're both amazing now too.

And I want the Deceiver model because I currently only have the Nightbringer and might want to run both of them.

Aagh I want the book so bad.

I wonder the exact wording on Zandrekh and if they get all of those rules or just you know 1 of those rules.