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 Galorian wrote:
20pts for a warscythe?
Ouch...

But that wouldn't matter since Overlords are cheaper themselves.
It also makes Voidreaper a lot better for its points ánd the Edge of Eternity becomes especially sexy.

Saturday release is so fething stupid why not a thursday or something

question to yanks and brits what day is more or less the unnoficial shopping day

here in oz its either wedneday or thursday

Certainly a lot of buzz over this release.

 Byte wrote:
Certainly a lot of buzz over this release.

Hm, I noticed that too. Maybe it's just because I was following this one so closely, but I don't think any of the recent releases has been this hyped since Tyranids.

 Ghaz wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
It's really poorly worded. FMC's take Dangerous Terrain tests everytime they move in and out of terrain. They just so happen to pass automatically so no one cares. The Obelisk only states that they must take the test even if they normally wouldn't. It doesn't state that they must take the test and don't pass automatically.

From 'Automatic Pass and Fail' in the main rulebook:

If a rule states that a characteristic test 'automatically passes' then no dice roll is needed; the test is passed.

Yes, the rule in the codex is poorly worded but it does point to the test no longer being 'automatically passed' since it requires you to actually take the test.

Seriously, If the rule is forcing you to take a test you normally can ignore, it is becuase you can fail said test. There would be NO point in forcing something to take a test that it could automatically pass.

Requizen wrote:

 Byte wrote:
Certainly a lot of buzz over this release.

Hm, I noticed that too. Maybe it's just because I was following this one so closely, but I don't think any of the recent releases has been this hyped since Tyranids.

After a bunch of mostly tame releases suddenly comes one with massive shifts in internal balance, sweeping rule changes and practically a new form of detachment.

People got mighty interested real quick once it became clear this wasn't a simple copy-paste 7th ed fix codex.

Well that and what people have seen has them excited because

1. Units that were good got better

2. Units that were garbage became really really good

3. We kept every single one of our Characters

4. The changes that were made were not unnecessary and were pretty much expected

 mitch_rifle wrote:
Saturday release is so fething stupid why not a thursday or something

question to yanks and brits what day is more or less the unnoficial shopping day

here in oz its either wedneday or thursday

many people work week days and shop on Saturday - I know I do unless I happen to be working at the weekend

Requizen wrote:

Davor wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Barge Lord w/ 2 +, 4++, 4++, 5++

What is this? 2+ is armour save, 4++ is invulnerable save, 4++?, 5++ is the RP? So what is the second 4++? I don't get it.

Phylactery gives IWND to the model (and chariot if there is one). So, 2+/4++/4+++/5++++ is the new hotness :3

Hollismason wrote:

Davor wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Barge Lord w/ 2 +, 4++, 4++, 5++

What is this? 2+ is armour save, 4++ is invulnerable save, 4++?, 5++ is the RP? So what is the second 4++? I don't get it.

2 + Armour save with Night Mare Shroud, 4++ Phase Shifter, 4++ Ressurection Protocols, 5+ It WIll not Die.

Thank you for the replies, now I understand what everyone is talking about now. Thank you.

Hollismason wrote:


Barge Lord w/ 2 +, 4++, 4++, 5++

Nothing in the game should ever get this many rolls to ignore wounds. :(

Hollismason wrote:
Well that and what people have seen has them excited because

1. Units that were good got better

2. Units that were garbage became really really good

3. We kept every single one of our Characters

4. The changes that were made were not unnecessary and were pretty much expected

It really is very cool that I'll be given reasons to play units that I bought and paid for in my newbie naivety that ended up being pretty lousy on the board. Especially Flayed Ones and Lychguard because they're among my favorite models (and flayed ones are so easy to convert).

I'm bracing for dissapointment in the Monolith. I was really hoping for good things there.

Hollismason wrote:
Well that and what people have seen has them excited because

1. Units that were good got better

2. Units that were garbage became really really good

3. We kept every single one of our Characters

4. The changes that were made were not unnecessary and were pretty much expected

Agree with all of this.

The codex IMO is a version 2 of the previous one, they have taken all the things we never played and made them playable which removed the desire to ONLY play wraith's and cheap Tesla. Not to mention they have "fixed" our "cheese", made our in game mechanics simpler and re-balanced the under costed stuff like AB's and NS's.

niv-mizzet wrote:

Hollismason wrote:


Barge Lord w/ 2 +, 4++, 4++, 5++

Nothing in the game should ever get this many rolls to ignore wounds. :(

Maybe. However , if any army should, it's Necrons.

 mitch_rifle wrote:
Saturday release is so fething stupid why not a thursday or something
question to yanks and brits what day is more or less the unnoficial shopping day

That would be Saturday, with most people having it off, and having been paid on Friday.

niv-mizzet wrote:

Hollismason wrote:


Barge Lord w/ 2 +, 4++, 4++, 5++

Nothing in the game should ever get this many rolls to ignore wounds. :(

2+ re-roll able only has one extra roll?

If he is of the Mephrite Dynasty, he get's to reroll failed saves as well. I think that's what that thing does. I think, I don't have the book with me right now.

So it may be a 2+ Reroll, 4+ Reroll, 5++, 5++. If he was a Mephrit Dynasty, it's still unclear if they can take the Decurion Detachment or not.

 adamsouza wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
It's really poorly worded. FMC's take Dangerous Terrain tests everytime they move in and out of terrain. They just so happen to pass automatically so no one cares. The Obelisk only states that they must take the test even if they normally wouldn't. It doesn't state that they must take the test and don't pass automatically.

From 'Automatic Pass and Fail' in the main rulebook:

If a rule states that a characteristic test 'automatically passes' then no dice roll is needed; the test is passed.

Yes, the rule in the codex is poorly worded but it does point to the test no longer being 'automatically passed' since it requires you to actually take the test.

Seriously, If the rule is forcing you to take a test you normally can ignore, it is becuase you can fail said test. There would be NO point in forcing something to take a test that it could automatically pass.

Isn't that what I said

 Galorian wrote:
20pts for a warscythe?

Ouch...

I'm more interested in Gauntlets of Fire.

Did they lose all rerolls *and* go up by 5pts?

 mitch_rifle wrote:
Saturday release is so fething stupid why not a thursday or something

question to yanks and brits what day is more or less the unnoficial shopping day

here in oz its either wedneday or thursday

I don't know where you are, but I work retail in Adelaide and Sat/Sun are our biggest sales days. Friday night, too.

So I promised I would post the link to the Necron Codex AMA when it went up.....well I decided to put it in this very subforum. So just hit back on your browser button haha

 Ghaz wrote:
Isn't that what I said

Sorry, Ghaz, I was agreeing with you.

Hollismason wrote:
3. We kept every single one of our Characters

Incorrect! We lost five of our generic characters and most of their wargear.

It's just a stealth loss. Oh sure, we kept the generic staff of light Cryptek, but where are the Harbingers?

Nowhere. Games workshop doesn't make harbinger models you see.

In brighter news, I just finished my first Flayed One made from the spare parts box I had previously been using for making Crypteks, using the YouTube tutorial posted earlier.

I'll also be demoting one of my generic yet to be painted Lord characters to Flayed One status by hacking him up a little and adding distress marks and texture paint. After all, the Flayer virus can strike anyone, right?

Sorry guys! Looks like Insaniak decided that the AMA should continue over here if you have any more questions about the codex. I'm still reading over it trying to decide how to compose my army

Sorry, double post

Any special rules for flayed ones?

Just wanted to answer something that Dominus had posted right before the thread closed:

Theres very few bits I'm missing (the rest can be found by links on natftka btw guys). Heres what I'd like to know:

1. what is the exact wording on melee/ranged weapon selection? (can ICs take multiple weapons including relics?)

2. cost and list of melee weapons and ranged weapons? Any restrictions by character?\



*****EDIT****
1. Great question. All of these sections are actually limited to 1/model. EXCEPT FOR THE TECNOARCHA SECTION!!! I didn't notice that. So you could take a gauntlet of fire, but not also a tachyon arrow. Basically, you can't take multiple res orbs, but you can take all of the upgrades to make a super unkillable bargelord.

You can still take the orb of eternity or the nightmare shroud, but not both.

*************EDIT**************

2. bit of a grey area there.....i'll do the best I can:

Gauntlet - two Termagants (haha puns)
Tachyon Arrow - one lychguard (stock)

Hyperphase Sword & Voidblade - the cost of my dignity
Warscythe - now costs 2 guardsmen more than last edition

MSS - who cares, but it's 2 guardsmen less than last edition
Phylactery - 3 guardsmen
Res Orb - one lychguard
Phase Shifter - one lychguard

Cryptek can't take res orb, orb of eternity, or the voidreaper

@Luke: do lychguard still have the same warhead options, or can you take a shield and a warscyhte?

Sword and Shield or Warscythe. The whole unit most choose which to take.

Also, are there any Apoc formations that mad it in like Infinite Phalanx?

Any new Lords of War, or things that were Lords of War that aren't anymore?

 jasper76 wrote:
@Luke: do lychguard still have the same warhead options, or can you take a shield and a warscyhte?

Astro is correct. By gaining the shield you lose the scythe. Sad times


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 Byte wrote:
Any special rules for flayed ones?

No. Interestingly they don't have the formation icon, but they clearly are listed as one in the decurion detachment "force org" chart. Unless you meant what can the models do. That I won't cover entirely but they can both infiltrate and deep strike, which is nifty


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 jasper76 wrote:
Also, are there any Apoc formations that mad it in like Infinite Phalanx?

Any new Lords of War, or things that were Lords of War that aren't anymore?

Yeah the tranny got downgraded to heavy support. Immotek is now a LOW, as is the Obelisk and Tesseract Vault. Of course, with the decurion you can still field as many Obelisks as your heart desires. (you know, up to 10 in a single decurion haha)