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I thought the Technical Gunners looked out of place too... until I saw actual pictures of guys riding on the back of trucks with machine guns. A standing person on the bed of a small truck is pretty crazy tall.

Most of those technicals are also not even pickup trucks, but stuff like sedan cars with the back removed, or El Camino-type cars.

They do paint up great.

I think the infantry sculpts are definitely the weakest - I just snagged some Resistance but am not getting the Technicals. If I do eventually, I'll swap out the gunners for unmanned guns. I think he may sculpt the infantry by hand (and the rest in CAD) and they just aren't as good, imo...

Those gun wagons, on the other hand, just rock!! And your normal infantry are so small that you can't really make out anything on them regardless, let alone paint detail that small.

New infantry units are CAD, Only in the beginning they were hand-sculpted.

I dunno, the Infantry can get pretty crazy detailed due to CAD...





With this design methodology, I have little fear as far as capturing detail in material is concerned. The Medusas for example, have about 400 tiny eyes on their drones.

Sorry for the slight off-topic as to not being directly dropfleet. But generally, the Resistance and onwards quality has been stellar.

Nice pics, Killionaire! But I still don't think the sculpting on those gunners comes close to that of the vehicles they're riding on =/. Still love the Resistance look, just won't be using the gunners. And it's not off-topic, this thread is for Dropzone and Dropfleet discussion (although obviously Dropfleet is the hot topic at the moment with the Kickstarter running!).

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Mod note: Regarding the general Kickstarter comparison discussion from earlier in this thread, there is now a more targeted thread in Dakka Discussions for this:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/670119.page

So, please direct all general Kickstarter discussion over there - thanks!

Not sure if its been posted yet, but they released some more PHR renders







Seems that they are giving the PHR fleet a Greek mythology naming convention, like their ground forces.

That looks brilliant and what's more, the easiest to magnetize with the broadside and prow weapons clearly dropping into place similar to BFG ships. Very cool!

Not sure how I feel about the underbite yet. But I love the rest of it.

Those look suspiciously, and gloriously, like the Imperial cruisers from BFG. Different broadside armament, limited or nonexistent forward armament, and extremely thick armor.

edit- Thank you Hulksmash! I hadn't identified it, but that underbite is definitely one of my visual triggers. Orks and most of my adopted dogs have had it

God damn it I want so much PHR. So much. Greek names make me want them even more. PERSEUS ATTACK!!!!!!

Given that these guys'll be HIPS-type plastic, you'll have no issue removing the underbite or placing it back if you need to.

I suspect UCM cruisers will be fairly easy to magentize too: As it is, it's obviously sets of modular points.

'Head':
Smooth
2-Turret slot (laser takes 2, heavy turrets take 1 each)

'Tail'
Smooth
Wing-Slots (triple-mount turrets or flight bays)

'Jaw'
Two-turrets (laser, turrets, flight bay or bombing cannon, or jaw extension for battlecruiser).

 rabidaskal wrote:
Well, another way of looking at it is that if Hawk have managed to raise 500k gbp without offering 'value' to the backers, then they're doing extremely well! : D

Personally, I'm glad that they're not doing the classic buy more! mind games perfected by Mantic and Cmon. It was fun atfirst but I'm pretty burned out with the whole roller-coaster KS thing. You're probably right that they could raise more money via aggressive addons and whatnot, but at theend of the day Id trade all that to get the product with a slight discount and within a reasonable timeframe. Instead of a wave 2 three years down the road. Ymmv of course

Its hard to say this KS offers value or not without knowing MSRP, but if the prices for the starter and rulebook are the same as DzC, then pledging to the KS is actually more expensive than buying at retail (for US backers anyway). As an admiral level backer its actually hard to say that Id be getting my moneys worth atm, particularly since Im only interest in UCM and PHR, and the paper mats are IMO overpriced.

Someone actually calculated out some estimated saving, the commodore plesge is apparrently your best ROI, Admiral is currently one of the worst, only behind LT level IIRC.

Also to jdugedoug - Andy Chambers is overrated. The sculpts are amazing, for sure, the overall concept of play is amazing, but IMO Andy struggles with the nitty gritty of mechanics and details, i.e. hes a big picture guy.

That could work well, though - it does seem like he has laid out the big picture, but Hawk will be filling in at minimum the point values. Admittedly, I'm not sure that their point value assignments in DzC are that great and are adjusted somewhat regularly in errata, but it does mean someone will be paying attention to the nitty gritty details a bit even if Andy Chambers isn't!

chaos0xomega wrote:


Also to jdugedoug - Andy Chambers is overrated. The sculpts are amazing, for sure, the overall concept of play is amazing, but IMO Andy struggles with the nitty gritty of mechanics and details, i.e. hes a big picture guy.

Then it's a good thing that he works with Hawkwargames (Dave). Because Dropzone Commander is such a beautifully balanced and fun game, that i have no fear whatsoever that Dropfleet won't be as good. From the last biggest tournament: 280 games played. 4 races are within 5% of their win-%, just the UCM is another 5% below. That's crazy good for a tabletop game.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Its hard to say this KS offers value or not without knowing MSRP, but if the prices for the starter and rulebook are the same as DzC, then pledging to the KS is actually more expensive than buying at retail (for US backers anyway).

Hawk have said that the KS price is lower than retail, how much lower isn't known but I would suspect that the final price would be around £65-70 based on the Commander pledge level (so a 10-15% discount). Dropzone Commander is £60.

Yeah, assuming we hit £500k and that the KS exclusive ships are £15 each, Commodore will be roughly 50% saving over the KS price for what's in it. Admiral is harder to work out, as there's a number of unknowns around certain bolt ons and the number you actually get for the pledge level. But it's between £136 to £246 over the pledge price at the moment.

Andy Chambers is overrated. The sculpts are amazing, for sure, the overall concept of play is amazing, but IMO Andy struggles with the nitty gritty of mechanics and details, i.e. hes a big picture guy.

Having worked with him on projects... Nope.

He also pays attention to the details. Sadly not all of his games reached the market the way they were originally written by him. Take Dust Warfare, the original version is quite superior to the version FFG put on the market.

prankster wrote:
Yeah, assuming we hit £500k and that the KS exclusive ships are £15 each, Commodore will be roughly 50% saving over the KS price for what's in it.

How did you calculate that number? Are you using £10 for the KS exclusive battlecruisers? That's what we estimated them as for splitting up our pledge, but I didn't think their bolt-on price was confirmed anywhere yet.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Also to jdugedoug - Andy Chambers is overrated. The sculpts are amazing, for sure, the overall concept of play is amazing, but IMO Andy struggles with the nitty gritty of mechanics and details, i.e. hes a big picture guy.

What's that based on? SST core rules, which he wrote, are perhaps the most elegant and balanced rules ever written by a human being. Granted that was ten years ago, and afaik he's only written Dust Warfare in the meantime, and consulted on Fanticide.

 RiTides wrote:

prankster wrote:
Yeah, assuming we hit £500k and that the KS exclusive ships are £15 each, Commodore will be roughly 50% saving over the KS price for what's in it.

How did you calculate that number? Are you using £10 for the KS exclusive battlecruisers? That's what we estimated them as for splitting up our pledge, but I didn't think their bolt-on price was confirmed anywhere yet.

A bit of finger in air and looking at some of the DZC products, with adjustments to nearest whole number and KS discount rolled into it.

There has been a new update.

The key points being:
Free Upgrades
More Maps and Scenery
Gaming Accessories
Artwork

As further stretch goals once the total reaches £350k

More free stuff?

It says they'll have a painted PHR ship by the end of the campaign, too. Huzzah!

Some new PHR renders


I'm quite curious how the broadside weapons will work, It seems unlikely that such a technologically advanced race would have weapons on such narrow arcs.

No need for spoilers here Puffin, that's what we all want to see

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
Some new PHR renders

Spoiler:

I'm quite curious how the broadside weapons will work, It seems unlikely that such a technologically advanced race would have weapons on such narrow arcs.

Heh, they named their Heavy Cruisers after Greek heroes.
That's pretty neat.

Why does that ship have braces?

Transhumanists always have amazing dental plans.
It comes free with the augments

"Spaceship needs braces." "Dental plan."

"Spaceship needs braces." "Dental plan."

You've made me lose my train of thought.

Very mixed feelings on this

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Why does that ship have braces?

For the impacts, obviously.

I like the PHR a great deal. This is very much edging me towards going big on the KS...