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No resistance ships?

If not I'll pass.

 Thunderfrog wrote:
No resistance ships?

If not I'll pass.

That would be like expecting the Belgian resistance in WW2 to have a carrier fleet operating in the Pacific. Don't they use 200 year old refurbed hardware combined with orky frankentrucks? And they're supposed to have a space capable battlefleet? On top of that, they're the newest faction in DZC and there are plenty of other folks in line in front of them.

 Thunderfrog wrote:
No resistance ships?

If not I'll pass.

In time, maybe. Could see them having ships like Minmitar from Eve Online. Basically junk yard pieces welded together with huge engines and artillery guns welded on lol

Hawk made it quite clear, that they will not be a proper fleet. They might have a ship here and there, but that´s all. Their fluff explains why. Nearly all spacecraft were destroyed and what survived tried to get es far away from the Cradle Worlds as possible.

Yeah, to quote their FAQ:
Will you be doing other races like the Resistance?
A Resistance faction is not possible to create in terms of the background and character of the universe as an entire fleet. We would like to involve them in some way, but there are no plans to do a fleet of resistance as a standalone faction.

I think I'm the only person on the planet who really likes the scourge ships. Very alien feeling, feel like a organism and a vessel at the same time.

I like the scourge ships but they're hard to tell apart for me.

I only jumped in recently, but I don't really get why if you were going to get a UCM or Scourge fleet, why you wouldn't just pay the extra £15 and get an entire another fleet, and a couple of other bits.

Am I missing something there?

Im not sure what you're referring to. If you mean a second Lieutenant pledge, thats not possible unless you have multiple kickstarter accounts.

Wait, people don't like the Scourge ships? I think they are amazing. And I don't even like the Scourge models from DZC. (despite playing them, thanks starter box!)

I mean the commander pledge. It's only £15 more than the lieutenant for an entire extra fleet. Is that an absurdly good deal that I'd be stupid nt to go for, or am I being stupid considering its 4am?

I think the scourge ships are incredible.

So far my least favorite ships are the PHR cruisers, and I love the PHR cruisers. The scourge cruisers may be my favorite, although the UCM and Shaltari make some convincing arguments. UCM has the best frigates. This campaign is hitting all of my buttons.

 warboss wrote:

 Thunderfrog wrote:
No resistance ships?

If not I'll pass.

That would be like expecting the Belgian resistance in WW2 to have a carrier fleet operating in the Pacific. Don't they use 200 year old refurbed hardware combined with orky frankentrucks? And they're supposed to have a space capable battlefleet? On top of that, they're the newest faction in DZC and there are plenty of other folks in line in front of them.

Or... there are four folks ahead of them?

UCM, Scourge, Shaltari, and PHR. And hey! They have ships coming out.

I think it's bullocks they would make a faction, include it in the game, then not plan to include it in expansions to the game. Even if it were a "no capital ships" kind of a vibe, filled with junkers and small ships without jump drives, I would be okay with that. Even using 200 yr old hardware, space travel was available to them then, there's no reason it shouldn't be this far later.

1. Scavenged frankenships built of human, phr, and scourge parts?
2. Modified Lifthawks for space flight in upper atmosphere. (All their fights are techincally limited to that Resistance factions homeworld anyways.)

Alas, I too was hoping for Battlestar Galacticafleet commander, but it looks like (for now) they're leaving resistance/old refugee ships as a seperate thing than a faction... for now. Perhaps that will change later? In the meanwhile, those UCM ships are too gorgeous for me to resist.

If you want to play a linked campaign, perhaps your resistance are the boots on the ground and UCM's offering space assistance prior to an actual invasion?

I think it's bullocks they would make a faction, include it in the game, then not plan to include it in expansions to the game. Even if it were a "no capital ships" kind of a vibe, filled with junkers and small ships without jump drives, I would be okay with that. Even using 200 yr old hardware, space travel was available to them then, there's no reason it shouldn't be this far later.

1. Scavenged frankenships built of human, phr, and scourge parts?
2. Modified Lifthawks for space flight in upper atmosphere. (All their fights are techincally limited to that Resistance factions homeworld anyways.)

Actually Hawk is not a fan of rewriting fluff just for generating more sales. They stick with the fluff they have written.

Resistance might be a sub-faction at best, but never a full fleet. Whatever was left of the fleet was destroyed by the Scourge after the rest of himanity left. There are no wrecks of UCM, PHR or Scourge origin. UCM would recycle after a battle what is reusable, cause they always try to make best use of all resources. Shaltari craft go into self-destruction before enemy can use them for research or parts. And Scourge in a similar way disintegrate. Lifthawks would be too valuable to waste them in an atmospheric battle, where they are outnumbered and undergunned. A litfhawk is rather tiny even compared to a frigate. Remember that guns on the side of the New Orleans Class? Those are the same lasers used for orbital defense and a Lifthawk would fit easily into the space of one barrel.

I think it's great they are sticking to the fluff. Too many times, you see companies re-writing or selling out years of background and story, just to sell more minis.

Good on you Hawk!

*cough* Age of S...*cough*

 Thunderfrog wrote:

I think it's bullocks they would make a faction, include it in the game, then not plan to include it in expansions to the game.

Except DFC is not an expansion to DZC, it's a different game. There's almost zero reason to see any Resistance fighters in DFC.

 Thunderfrog wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Thunderfrog wrote:
No resistance ships?

If not I'll pass.

That would be like expecting the Belgian resistance in WW2 to have a carrier fleet operating in the Pacific. Don't they use 200 year old refurbed hardware combined with orky frankentrucks? And they're supposed to have a space capable battlefleet? On top of that, they're the newest faction in DZC and there are plenty of other folks in line in front of them.

Or... there are four folks ahead of them?

UCM, Scourge, Shaltari, and PHR. And hey! They have ships coming out.

I think it's bullocks they would make a faction, include it in the game, then not plan to include it in expansions to the game. Even if it were a "no capital ships" kind of a vibe, filled with junkers and small ships without jump drives, I would be okay with that. Even using 200 yr old hardware, space travel was available to them then, there's no reason it shouldn't be this far later.

1. Scavenged frankenships built of human, phr, and scourge parts?
2. Modified Lifthawks for space flight in upper atmosphere. (All their fights are techincally limited to that Resistance factions homeworld anyways.)

Trying to take on a professional fleet out in open space with poorly built space craft is suicide.
Especially when said space craft would be much smaller than their opposition, and lacks firepower.
The only reason why the Resistance works on the ground is because they can hide and launch quick raids on soft targets.
In an open battle against Scourge ground forces they would be decimated.

Also, please explain how the resistance can get access to PHR and Scourge wreckage, develop the know-how to reassemble it and do it all in secrecy?
I'm pretty sure the Scourge would notice a fleet lifting off from a world they occupy.

There is a cruise liner bolt on/free ship which may well have something to do with the Resistance, its not likely to belong to any of the other factions. Unless its nothing more than a terrain piece/objective of course

Thunderfrog, for what it's worth my faction for DzC is Resistance and I'm going with UCM for the accompanying fleet . It makes sense, and hopefully we'll get a few special Resistance / pre-Invasion / etc ships to include with them one day!

Just a quick bit of information, that came out of the comments Q&A session today. You can't just pledge £1 and add bolt ons, you have to actually pick a pledge level. They're also not going to add a book only pledge.

Couldn't they come up with a ragtag fleet of ships with maybe one carrier or escort at its center to be a fleet escaping from alien occupancy. The fleet could be made of mining vessels, pleasure ships, and bulk transporters that tried to escape a captured world, and have gotten just minimal defensive capabilities. Perhaps some UCM forces defected to protect them and are on the run with their illegitimate government and could then still fight against the main faction. This galactic battle fleet could just be trying to find a new world for the survivors to live peacefully on, and are constantly being harassed by the big bad Cyl.........er........, wait I've seen this before, maybe it will happen again.

So to sum up, In a genre that shamelessly recycles sci-fi imagery from game to game, some of us are very angry that a kickstarter for the release of a new game with new rules, a new model for space fighting and new IP does not include plans to rip-off another franchise's imagery.

160 years after the fall of the Cradle Worlds?

 JOHIRA wrote:
So to sum up, In a genre that shamelessly recycles sci-fi imagery from game to game, some of us are very angry that a kickstarter for the release of a new game with new rules, a new model for space fighting and new IP does not include plans to rip-off another franchise's imagery.

No, I was just giving an idea of how the resistance could have a fleet. Not powerful, but still possible. Plus I'm not familiar with the DZC history as I bought the rulebook, but limited time means I don't know if there are smaller alien races that could all band together like in babylon5.

Im a bit confused as to why people would expect the resistance to have a fleet in the first place, it really makes no logical sense.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:


Painted Shaltari.

It makes me think of spines, I wonder how it will look in bone color.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im a bit confused as to why people would expect the resistance to have a fleet in the first place, it really makes no logical sense.

There's your answer right there!

All kidding aside, some people just want different things, is all!

 Theophony wrote:
Couldn't they come up with a ragtag fleet of ships with maybe one carrier or escort at its center to be a fleet escaping from alien occupancy.

Fleets like that would already have reached the colonies centuries before DFC. The fluff is really quite clear on this; there are no ships left on the cradle worlds, they all fled or were destroyed. Some of the escaped ships didn't reach the colonies so could form the basis of a special character or (very small) 'mercenary' faction but there simply won't be anything approaching a fleet.