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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/19 12:57:01
Subject: Re:Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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I know one guy with a LT Pledge. Several Commodores and Captains still have not shipped.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/19 13:46:05
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Executing Exarch
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Heard nothing about my Commodore.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/19 16:00:56
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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None of the people in my immediate group have heard anything about their pledges. Two commodores and a lieutenant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/20 22:05:59
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Witch Hunter in the Shadows
Aachen
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Still waiting for Commodore and addons, too
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/21 00:31:48
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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JOHIRA wrote:So at this point is there anyone left whose hasn't been shipped out?
From this and the masses of comments on the FB group, a lot of people still waiting, myself included. Someone in the same state and county as myself got theirs, but yet I hear nothing from Hawk
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/21 01:59:40
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Hacking Shang Jí
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Wow, I'm really sorry to hear that from all of you. I assumed being on the other side of the planet I'd be the last.
Hopefully everyone's orders get filled this week. It would be absolutely inexcusable for a Kickstarter promising a June fulfillment to still be shipping out orders in December.
Also, wasn't "printed material" the excuse for the delay in the first place? I'm finding tons of proofreading errors in my rulebook that really should never have made it out the door. I haven't spotted any rule-related issues yet, but then I've not been closely looking at the rules yet and since I've not had any time to build my fleet or play a game I don't know if I'd notice them if I did. I hope not though, because if the rules are written as the background this game is going to need a hefty errata.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/21 02:01:07
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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[DCM]
Dankhold Troggoth
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Yeah, having gotten the box the sprues are awesome, but the fulfillment has been disappointing... I'm not sure when the other local gamers will get theirs so it really makes starting to try it out a bear!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/21 02:38:34
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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The latest Kickstarter update is live. Looks like Hawk is making progress on getting pledges out:
"Update #59 For backers only.
Dear Backers
I am writing to you on behalf of the whole team at Hawk Wargames, who have been working incredibly hard to get the pledges out.
Firstly, we realise we have let people down: the delay in the delivery, the release of the first wave of Dropfleet Commander into retail before dispatching all pledges, and the poor communication.
We want to address a few questions that people have had, or issues that have been raised. Some of these should have been communicated before, and others are only able to be seen on reflection:
1. Real numbers: we have around 550 pledges left to pack, and another 180 (on top of this that are already packed) left to process for shipping. We expect, based on our rate of between 110-250 packed pledges per day, that we should be able to finalise all packing this coming week. We will put out another update with the revised numbers that need packing and shipping at the end of this week.
2. The process of shipping is not as simple as we had previously intended. This is the first time we have ever managed a dispatch process of this scale, and a number of things have not gone to plan during this process, including:
The system we used for processing addresses and pledges was not suitable for the scale of this Kickstarter. This has led to us having to process every pledge manually, therefore adding considerable time to the shipping process.
The process for entering addresses into our courier system did not work effectively, and all our information is being added manually to create labels and shipping forms suitable for every shipment, again which has added to the delays.
There are a number of shipping and address queries that have not been resolved which are delaying a few pledges being sent out. We will be contacting some backers regarding these in the coming week.
3. We will be doing a full review of this Kickstarter once we have dispatched every pledge.
4. Our Team: We have 6 members of our own team who have been regularly packing and shipping pledges since we have started this process, along with another 4 members of staff who were doing regular pre-packing of sets and rewards. This left the Hawk Wargames team with only one member of staff to manage all communication to backers, along with all normal customer service communication. When we began the packing process, there was such a large amount of pre-packed product that we only had space to create two packing stations in our warehouse for boxing the pledges. This is why the progress was slower early on, but as we processed more and more of the pledges, we were able to create more packing stations, and therefore pack pledges at a higher rate.
5. Why weren’t we at Warfare 2016 in Reading? We decided, very late on and with very little notice, that we were not going to attend this event to ensure that as many of the team as possible could keep packing and dispatching pledges. This was a difficult decision to make, especially as we had a Dropzone Commander tournament at the event, and it was deeply regrettable that we have put ourselves in this situation, however we are committed to doing everything we can to get all the pledges out as quickly as possible.
6. The lack of communication is the most significant part of this Kickstarter process that we are aware of our mistakes and have learnt a lot from. Going forward we are aware that we need to commit to this more, and will be making every effort to give more time to communication to you all, (so long as it does not significantly negatively impact on the packing and shipping of pledges).
The final thing is to apologise once more for the delays in backers’ pledges, for the lack of more regular and transparent communication, and for the retail release of wave 1 before all pledges were sent out to backers. We are confident in the quality of the game and in what we have produced, and this has always been the priority for everyone at Hawk Wargames in the creation of Dropfleet Commander.
You shall hear from us again in an update at the end of this coming week.
Kind regards
Hawk Louis, on behalf of The Hawk Wargames Team"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/21 02:53:02
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Dankhold Troggoth
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Louis is awesome, and it's obvious they're working hard. Good to see that they've noted what needs to be adjusted for the future
And sounds like they're nearing the end of packing, so shipping can't be too far behind!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/21 03:00:29
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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I'm not seeing a lot of 'awesome' in there - yet.
Going forward? Maybe?
That's certainly the hope - and I hope they can repair a lot of this self-inflicted damage.
In fact, I'm sure they can!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/21 04:04:10
Subject: Re:Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Provided every single backer gets their pledge (at least round 1 of the pledge as maps were pushed to another wave) I can see this horrid process and backer hate blowing over by the start of next year.
With the holidays being stressful, having a game you've been looking forward to play (and lots more time off during holidays to play) in hand can quickly change heart.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/21 04:11:13
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Dankhold Troggoth
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I meant Louis as a part of the Hawk team - not the delays! Hopefully they're close to the finish line finally, though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/21 06:02:14
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Executing Exarch
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That's a good, honest update. Wish they'd said that stuff before!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/21 06:31:20
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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Mymearan wrote:That's a good, honest update. Wish they'd said that stuff before!
Yeah, definitely.
At least they seem to be learning from their mistakes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/21 14:03:49
Subject: Re:Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Well, likely around 15% of backers don't have their stuff yet; there's some wiggle room there as I'm not really accounting for late backers and just shaving the percentage a bit based on number of pledges. 110-250 seems like a wildly variable rate, but then again the locations and contents of the pledges are wildly variable. Hopefully I'll get my shipping notice this week, and to their credit the packages seemingly arrive quickly after they're shipped.
The issues really sound like they boil down entirely to basic logistics. The software didn't work right, foreign shipping is overly complicated, couriers are a PITA to deal with, etc. It really drives home the idea of testing workflows long in advance of need, where some of these issues would likely have outed themselves when they weren't "house-on-fire" problems that had to be routed around immediately. Hawk is not the first organization to encounter them, nor are these problems seemingly unique as I think most major campaigns run across them. Working for an organization that regularly fails at the same basic logistics, I can sympathize even if it's annoying. The grating part is simply that it sounds like numerous other campaigns; the smart man learns from his own mistakes while the wise man learns from the mistakes of others.
In terms of the future, I recall the first Bones had issues with shipping that hit many of the same points (giving that horse another whack), and it's worth noting that Reaper seems to be doing okay still. While I'm not sure I'd extend KS levels of trust to Hawk, I don't think they've burned the bridge badly enough that it's an impossibility. They've not covered themselves in glory though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/21 14:07:31
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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[DCM]
Dankhold Troggoth
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I think they're doing awesome, but given the posts here I think it's much higher than 15% that don't yet have their items. My understanding from the update is that they're almost done packing... but I don't think that translates into being done shipping.
Most people I've spoken to haven't received their items yet... I'm glad I have, but it can't just be anecdotal - they've got a ways to go on shipping yet! However, the fact that this update was so open and they're making another at the end of the week is a fantastic sign. People just want communication, I think, and to know if they should be on the lookout / etc!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/22 12:20:18
Subject: Re:Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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SPACESHIPS! My commodore pledge arrived yesterday
I'll have to unbox it tonight due to getting home late last night. Today is going to be a long day
For those interested, here is a timeline of my shipping process. I'm located in Northern Virginia, USA.
14 Nov: Notified that the shipping label was created.
17 Nov: Package was picked up, and started its journey.
18 Nov: Package arrived in USA
21 Nov: Package arrived at my house.
So, it was a week total from the first notification to delivery.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/22 13:00:57
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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RiTides wrote:I think they're doing awesome, but given the posts here I think it's much higher than 15% that don't yet have their items. My understanding from the update is that they're almost done packing... but I don't think that translates into being done shipping.
Most people I've spoken to haven't received their items yet... I'm glad I have, but it can't just be anecdotal - they've got a ways to go on shipping yet! However, the fact that this update was so open and they're making another at the end of the week is a fantastic sign. People just want communication, I think, and to know if they should be on the lookout / etc!
I am one of the ones still waiting.
One of the things I think a lot didn't understand is just how small Hawk really is. In the last post they finally show that when he mentioned there was essentially one dude in the office running the company which means answering a crap ton of emails, dealing with distributors and other companies, managing events, and keeping the ship moving forward.
The last email message we got would have been sent at 3 AM UK time. They have probably all been really busting their asses non stop to get orders shipped. Getting 4k boxes moved was always going to be a huge hurdle even without all the problems they have faced. Getting them all packed away though makes things significantly easier and stuff will ship much quicker now. I bet we will probably see all boxes hitting shipment right around friday or next week.
It has been and continues to be frustrating because it is one of those hey this isn't really one of my problems things. Their plan to get everyone's stuff to them was obviously a dud. However, I am still a big fan of Hawk and I will continue to be because of everything they have already done.
Once we get to next week it is likely we will see the website get changed and the game finally getting properly promoted. It is going to be exciting!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/22 15:19:50
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I am also still waiting. Nothing so far. Man, I only wanted a basic two Player Set... This is so annoying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/22 15:35:17
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Boosting Ultramarine Biker
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RoninXiC wrote:I am also still waiting. Nothing so far. Man, I only wanted a basic two Player Set... This is so annoying.
Quite the same here...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/22 15:53:35
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I even got a shipping notice for something from england which got me super pumped up.. unfortunately it was just the Twinings Tea I ordered for my wife :( stupid tea!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/22 16:42:37
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Utilizing Careful Highlighting
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To add to the status checks:
While I've been being bad and buying starter fleets and boxes around here (sorry other NoVA gamers...), me and my roommates have also not gotten any notices or shipments on our commodore pledges.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/22 17:37:44
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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nedTCM wrote: RiTides wrote:I think they're doing awesome, but given the posts here I think it's much higher than 15% that don't yet have their items. My understanding from the update is that they're almost done packing... but I don't think that translates into being done shipping.
Most people I've spoken to haven't received their items yet... I'm glad I have, but it can't just be anecdotal - they've got a ways to go on shipping yet! However, the fact that this update was so open and they're making another at the end of the week is a fantastic sign. People just want communication, I think, and to know if they should be on the lookout / etc!
I am one of the ones still waiting.
One of the things I think a lot didn't understand is just how small Hawk really is. In the last post they finally show that when he mentioned there was essentially one dude in the office running the company which means answering a crap ton of emails, dealing with distributors and other companies, managing events, and keeping the ship moving forward.
The last email message we got would have been sent at 3 AM UK time. They have probably all been really busting their asses non stop to get orders shipped. Getting 4k boxes moved was always going to be a huge hurdle even without all the problems they have faced. Getting them all packed away though makes things significantly easier and stuff will ship much quicker now. I bet we will probably see all boxes hitting shipment right around friday or next week.
It has been and continues to be frustrating because it is one of those hey this isn't really one of my problems things. Their plan to get everyone's stuff to them was obviously a dud. However, I am still a big fan of Hawk and I will continue to be because of everything they have already done.
Once we get to next week it is likely we will see the website get changed and the game finally getting properly promoted. It is going to be exciting!
The expectation though is them hiring more min wage workers/temp workers to get it done. I knows pliantly of contracting companies that do this. They made a good bit of $$$ they could have hired on a staff to work X months and get it out quickly.
As mentioned above also, they had a issue with the book, but there's tons of crap wrong in it. Misspellings, sentences that are unclear or incomplete.
Id like to support them more, but it almost seems like a cruel joke its been delayed so long, TONS of Ks backers just buy extra retail stuff so they can play as they wait. If you have the income that's great, but I cant support giving a company more when I don't have what they owe me already
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/22 21:05:05
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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I was planning to buy more once my KS rewards came in and I could get a feel for which sprues had the best kitbashing potential, but the project is so delayed that I'm now interested in GW products again, and will probably just kitbash some Nid and Eldar bits into spaceships to scratch that itch. Will. Ever buy the DFC station sprues? It depends on if my hobby ADD comes back to DFC before the BFG reboot comes out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/23 00:55:43
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:I was planning to buy more once my KS rewards came in and I could get a feel for which sprues had the best kitbashing potential, but the project is so delayed that I'm now interested in GW products again, and will probably just kitbash some Nid and Eldar bits into spaceships to scratch that itch. Will. Ever buy the DFC station sprues? It depends on if my hobby ADD comes back to DFC before the BFG reboot comes out.
Ha, I was the same. As it kept getting delayed, our group decided to get into 30k and start a league for it. 2 Armies later now I'm very vested into GW. Money that I would have easily put into DFC
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/23 05:22:49
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Got mine. Absurdly cool amount and quality of stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/29 17:46:26
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Still waiting for the shipping notice for my Commodore pledge.
I watched a video on the DFC battleships on YouTube the other night. Very nice looking sculpts but I'm wondering now it they will be available through retail before I get my pledge.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/29 18:02:00
Subject: Re:Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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I received my Commodore pledge yesterday; no shipping notice from Hawk that I can find, but UPS did drop the "we'll be at your address tomorrow" so I was there to receive it at least. Shipped on the 24th, arrived on the 28th (obviously).
Haven't sat down to go through it completely, but the quality of the stuff I saw was fairly nice. Some really thick sprues is immediately what sprang to mind. I need to see if I'm short a battlecruiser or if it's mixed in with the "backer bonus" kind of bag. The resin stuff seems to be really nicely done as well. As expected, nice quality stuff with just some hang-ups in the fulfillment. I will likely snag some battleships when they become available.
Have we heard any timelines on when the map packs should be sent out? Skimming the updates I know they've been delayed, but I'm not sure I recall hearing when they're supposed to be shipping either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/29 18:47:08
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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I have a commander pledge with two add ons and haven't heard hide nor hair. On a scale of Mantic to Prodos, how worried should I be?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/29 18:48:40
Subject: Dropfleet Commander News - Kickstarter orders being dispatched!
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I'd say very low level "Mantic" as it will certainly get to you sooner or later, and probably sooner.
And it will be the 'correct' material and all that.
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