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 Ghaz wrote:
Yes, it is worded poorly but I'm not trying to read too much into it considering its source.

Yeah, it's really not worth arguing over. Nevermind then.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
On turn seven, can you roll a 7 on a d6?

Nope, but if you could... You'd move 7 inches!!!

Along with the idea that you could have a Harlequin on foot moving faster than a jetbike if you rolled a number of dice equal to the turn is why I'm doubtful of this rumor. As worded or as some think it was intended to be worded it just doesn't feel right to me.

I find it funny how Necrons have a one week release and Harlequins have at least two...

That said I'm interested in seeing what the models are like. I do like the Harlequins.

 Asmodas wrote:

migooo wrote:
Those rules seem overpowered. However solitaires were death machines

Not really. It's a T3 model with 3 wounds and a 3++. It can't hide in another unit, either. It shouldn't be too hard to kill, even with bolters. Flamer overwatch would be bad news, too. But if it hits its target, fuggedaboutit.

He has a 3+ inv save so he's going to survive a fair amount 50/50


I'm glad they have returned.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I find it funny how Necrons have a one week release and Harlequins have at least two...

That said I'm interested in seeing what the models are like. I do like the Harlequins.

Necrons have an almost entirely plastic range whereas Harlequins are a Finecast box and two Finecast blisters right now.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I find it funny how Necrons have a one week release and Harlequins have at least two...

That said I'm interested in seeing what the models are like. I do like the Harlequins.

Necrons have an almost entirely plastic range whereas Harlequins are a Finecast box and two Finecast blisters right now.

I guess it's more that I don't feel Harlequins deserve a full codex. I Don't mind the models being redone but we all know it's an excuse to charge £30 for a book with 4/5 units in it. Whereas Necrons are a fully fledged army and some new models would've been cool (flayed ones, c'tan shards in plastic, a couple of new units). A codex and a plastic model doesn't really feel like a codex release to me, and I don't feel Harlequins deserve a proper release when Necron don't.

I'd feel differently if it was a proper codex: Harlequins, with a proper sized army list.

migooo wrote:

 Asmodas wrote:

migooo wrote:
Those rules seem overpowered. However solitaires were death machines

Not really. It's a T3 model with 3 wounds and a 3++. It can't hide in another unit, either. It shouldn't be too hard to kill, even with bolters. Flamer overwatch would be bad news, too. But if it hits its target, fuggedaboutit.

He has a 3+ inv save so he's going to survive a fair amount 50/50

Honestly, with average luck he can be focussed down by a Tac Squad. Now, as long as he can join a unit as long as no other characters do, as the rumour appears to indicate, for some meat shields, and hopefully grab a Venom as a DT somehow, then he's got potential. If he's limited in his manoeuvrability then expect another shelf ornament.

Did you ever consider that Harlequins getting a book now is a prelude to a new Eldar book soon?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Did you ever consider that Harlequins getting a book now is a prelude to a new Eldar book soon?

Well then, they may as well have just kept them in the Codex. It's gonna be like Militarum Tempestus all over again isn't it...

 ImAGeek wrote:
I guess it's more that I don't feel Harlequins deserve a full codex. I Don't mind the models being redone but we all know it's an excuse to charge £30 for a book with 4/5 units in it.

Yet there's a precedent in Codex Militarum Tempestus.

 Ghaz wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I guess it's more that I don't feel Harlequins deserve a full codex. I Don't mind the models being redone but we all know it's an excuse to charge £30 for a book with 4/5 units in it.

Yet there's a precedent in Codex Militarum Tempestus.

I know... That also didn't deserve to be a full codex.

They have to give them a book, they removed them from the dark eldar codex.

Give access to venoms (with parts for the model too, like they did for wracks)

In Jes we trust!

I'd love it if the Eldar book got fixed updated. That Codex (and, more specifically, some of the local players who refuse to take anything other than Serpent Spam) has been mostly responsible for my not playing more than a handful of games in the last 3 or 4 months, I don't mind losing, I just hate the predictable and non-interactive games those lists seem to generate.

That, and a new Daemon book that allows me to choose more than 80% of my list when I write it, and most of my dissatisfaction with 40K will be addressed.

It also makes sense to separate the Harlies to avoid the whole "two sets of rules" issue that having them feature in two separate factions always threatened to generate (or force old rules to be featured in a new book to keep them consistent.)

In fact, of all the sub factions and mini Dexes that could be produced, Harlies, even if they only feature a handful of units, makes the absolute most sense.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'd love it if the Eldar book got fixed updated. That Codex (and, more specifically, some of the local players who refuse to take anything other than Serpent Spam) has been mostly responsible for my not playing more than a handful of games in the last 3 or 4 months, I don't mind losing, I just hate the predictable and non-interactive games those lists seem to generate.

That, and a new Daemon book that allows me to choose more than 80% of my list when I write it, and most of my dissatisfaction with 40K will be addressed.

It also makes sense to separate the Harlies to avoid the whole "two sets of rules" issue that having them feature in two separate factions always threatened to generate (or force old rules to be featured in a new book to keep them consistent.)

In fact, of all the sub factions and mini Dexes that could be produced, Harlies, even if they only feature a handful of units, makes the absolute most sense.

I wouldn't like it. If they need to fix it, they should adjust it via errata. Selling me a codex that is only useful for less than one complete edition (4 years.. not the ridiculous 2 year bs lifespan that 6e got) would make it the last one they sold to me.

The difference is the subsequent Imperial Guard codex was a soul-crushing experience.

Watching the Eldar get nerfed into oblivion and blanditude will give me a perverse sense of joy, if that is indeed what might happen.

Broadly speaking, however, insofar as 40k is concerned, we're now on the part of the map labelled "Here be Dragons." Every single codex has been updated for this edition (yes, this edition; 7th is a whole new edition like a new season of a television show is a different series), though a lot of them are horrendously balanced internally and externally, and every model has an "official" option, even if said option is 20 years old and horrendously ugly and/or finecast. What comes next I have no idea.

I'd disagree, I think the Harlequins are an ideal candidate for their own codex (or preferably a mini codex at a lower price)

they are clearly distinct from the rest of the Eldar and operate independently so while they might be more common as allies of an Eldar force they might show up to interfere with any conflict

they've also got a low more potential for genuinely interesting backstory stuff (although whether GW will bother to put it in?)

rules for solitaire look like the original rules for the solitaire, except back then they could not join units at all. Part of the background for solitaires required they were separate from other eldar, even harlequins due to their 'sacrifice' to slaanesh, they do not use soul stones to capture their soul when they die.

Hence the name solitaire. Would be unfortunate if they could now join units.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'd disagree, I think the Harlequins are an ideal candidate for their own codex (or preferably a mini codex at a lower price)

they are clearly distinct from the rest of the Eldar and operate independently so while they might be more common as allies of an Eldar force they might show up to interfere with any conflict

they've also got a low more potential for genuinely interesting backstory stuff (although whether GW will bother to put it in?)

Mini codex with 4/5 units; fine. Proper codex with proper unit selection; fine. Proper codex with 4/5 units; that's my issue with it.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'd disagree, I think the Harlequins are an ideal candidate for their own codex (or preferably a mini codex at a lower price)

they are clearly distinct from the rest of the Eldar and operate independently so while they might be more common as allies of an Eldar force they might show up to interfere with any conflict

they've also got a low more potential for genuinely interesting backstory stuff (although whether GW will bother to put it in?)

Mini codex with 4/5 units; fine. Proper codex with proper unit selection; fine. Proper codex with 4/5 units; that's my issue with it.

Yeah, I'm fully in agreement with you ImaGeek. They keep making these micro-codexes that cost the same as the main books...are people really that excited that their army rules have gone from $35 to upwards of $100?

<checks optimism levels>
It’s the end of the week, I can burn what optimism I’ve got left.

Maybe there won’t be a separate codex, but the full rules will be in the WD. Or included in the box!

 Accolade wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'd disagree, I think the Harlequins are an ideal candidate for their own codex (or preferably a mini codex at a lower price)

they are clearly distinct from the rest of the Eldar and operate independently so while they might be more common as allies of an Eldar force they might show up to interfere with any conflict

they've also got a low more potential for genuinely interesting backstory stuff (although whether GW will bother to put it in?)

Mini codex with 4/5 units; fine. Proper codex with proper unit selection; fine. Proper codex with 4/5 units; that's my issue with it.

Yeah, I'm fully in agreement with you ImaGeek. They keep making these micro-codexes that cost the same as the main books...are people really that excited that their army rules have gone from $35 to upwards of $100?

It will be interesting to see what they do certainly, there's mimes, bikes, venoms and I believe wraithlords in the old list.

Now if they ignore mimes ( as nobody is saying the kit can make them now)

I half expect the codex to be meh at best or extremely OP at worst.

 Nevelon wrote:
<checks optimism levels>
It’s the end of the week, I can burn what optimism I’ve got left.

Maybe there won’t be a separate codex, but the full rules will be in the WD. Or included in the box!

That would be wonderful. I can certainly hope for it, I just think GW won't give up an opportunity to get $50 out of its (begrugded) customers.

 Accolade wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
<checks optimism levels>
It’s the end of the week, I can burn what optimism I’ve got left.

Maybe there won’t be a separate codex, but the full rules will be in the WD. Or included in the box!

That would be wonderful. I can certainly hope for it, I just think GW won't give up an opportunity to get $50 out of its (begrugded) customers.

The LotD and Scions agree with you. But then, the new ‘nids got free rules on the website. So there is a glimmer of hope!

"The dance continues" is a fine line. I'm just excited for plastic Harlis (I have a bunch of metal ones, but plastic is better, especially when they're doing their flippy dippy ninja stuff).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"The dance continues" is a fine line. I'm just excited for plastic Harlis (I have a bunch of metal ones, but plastic is better, especially when they're doing their flippy dippy ninja stuff).

Totally agree with this. Although we might need to invest in some base weights for these.

I think with Eldar the only thing really that needs adjusting is the serpent shields the rest will fix itself... nerfing the weapon part or eliminating it would really fix the codex, when you really look at the rest of the dex it become a more mid-tier codex. Yes the Wraithknight is awesome - but easily killed with anything poison or instant death with ap 3 or more. I think Tua and Space Marines need some adjustments to and then most codexes will be on more equal footing. Makeing Interceptor less available or more expensive than 5 points would help even the Tau, Doing something with Grav weapons or grav cents would help with SM. Possibly reducing Dark Angel points to and a new Sisters Codex would be an added benni. Cheers all. I for one am excited about Harlies and as they were my first army am excited at the possibiility of playing them by themselves.

The Dance Continues 2: Electric Boogaloo

I was re-reading the rules for the solitaire again last night and I thought of something. We are all wondering why a character who can't join squads benfit from a +2 to his LOS rolls. If you look at the rumoured rules you will see that the LOS bonus is listed as part of the rules for flip belts as one of several benefits. Perhaps all flip belts provide +2 LOS so characters such as Troupe leaders, Shodowseers etc can benefit from it. The solitaire like every Harlequin has a flip belt only he won't benfit from the +2 LOS due due his "never join a unit" rule. He'll just use the other rules listed for the flip belts.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
<checks optimism levels>
It’s the end of the week, I can burn what optimism I’ve got left.

Maybe there won’t be a separate codex, but the full rules will be in the WD. Or included in the box!

That would be wonderful. I can certainly hope for it, I just think GW won't give up an opportunity to get $50 out of its (begrugded) customers.

The LotD and Scions agree with you. But then, the new ‘nids got free rules on the website. So there is a glimmer of hope!

If you go back and look at MT and Knights, the rules for the actual units were included in the WD in their entirety, the only parts missing were the warlord traits, force org and formations (in other words, stuff you can note down from the internet on an A5 sheet of paper). So if this release is similar, the WD should cover 90%, the rest being common sense and a little bit of digging.