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They all timed jumping off of stones at the exact same time...

What's this about a competition? Spend so much and get automatically entered or something?

Well now, a sweepstakes to go with the release huh? If GW manages to make the rules for this release reasonably-priced (Between free and $15 for 4-5 units) then I will be significantly impressed.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
What's this about a competition? Spend so much and get automatically entered or something?

Spend £40 on anything on their webstore, don't live in Aus/NZ, and you could be one of 5 people to win a Space Marine's height in GW product (so actually a heck of a lot).

Of course, as just one more 'feth you' to those of us who still play it, that can't include any Hobbit/LotR stuff (which is probably what I would choose if I entered and won).

Can't knock it though, at least it's something and all you have to do is buy something you might buy anyway.

Also, they've listed the height of a SM as 2.10m! Can we stop the endless debates on that now?

 Paradigm wrote:

Of course, as just one more 'feth you' to those of us who still play it, that can't include any Hobbit/LotR stuff (which is probably what I would choose if I entered and won).

To be fair, that's likely a result of the agreement with New Line rather than anything else.

The Christmas Wishlist competitions they did had the same caveat as far as I remember.

As it stands though, I ordered a Solitaire and Harlequin before I even knew about this. Could be a pleasant little surprise. Probably won't be.

That's a nice competition I should ent....

-Not in AUS/NZ-

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So a mailshot from GW seems to confirm that rules for the Harlequins will be in White Dwarf as "The WD team bring present painting guides, rules and background for the Harlequins" with pics of WD for January 31st.

Has this been confirmed elsewhere?


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So no book?

I have a feeling the leaks earlier on in the week came from the WD, but I think I'll still grab it for the rules. There has been speculation there will be a full book next week, but if they are in WD then go free on BL like the Nid stuff then that's even better!

 Alex C wrote:
So no book?

Seeing the recent release... this is what I'm afraid of. The sneak peak of the rules in White Dwarf look way too detailed to truly be a "peak" it looks like the COMPLETE rules. The fact that the complete rules are in White Dwarf make me worry they aren't doing a book.

Dammit GW what's wrong with you! I wanted to give you money!!! I was really looking forward to a full-length (or at least mini-length) hardcover harlequin book with rules and fluff.

 Alex C wrote:
So no book?

Not this week (week 1). Usually a codex will go up for pre order week 2 if it's a multiple week release.

We already saw the new release list which didn't indicate a book as well. However all other evidence points to one coming, probably leaked in the next 72 hours.

Murrdox wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
So no book?

Seeing the recent release... this is what I'm afraid of. The sneak peak of the rules in White Dwarf look way too detailed to truly be a "peak" it looks like the COMPLETE rules. The fact that the complete rules are in White Dwarf make me worry they aren't doing a book.

Dammit GW what's wrong with you! I wanted to give you money!!! I was really looking forward to a full-length (or at least mini-length) hardcover harlequin book with rules and fluff.

You *wanted* to give them $50 for a dataslate's worth of rules?

(I realize there will probably be a book next week)

Seems if the rules are both in WD and the form of a book then everyone should be happy.

It'll probably follow form to the Nid release. Rules in the WD, then a supplement with the full rules, plus formations/special FOC.

Interestingly, Shadowseer and Death Jester models just went unavailable on the US site. Coincidence? It could just be people buying them up in anticipation, or it could be a sign of new models.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Seems if the rules are both in WD and the form of a book then everyone should be happy.

Ha! That was a good one.

 pretre wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Seems if the rules are both in WD and the form of a book then everyone should be happy.

Ha! That was a good one.

Are you suggesting this is unlikely? Because at the moment, we have enough to go on to suggest the rules in WD will be enough to go on for those just wanting to throw in a squad or two, but at the same time have references to a Relic table more likely to be seen in a book. So it looks like the rules will be in both WD and book form.

Are we sure all the rules are in the WD? I could have sworn the Imperial Knights WD entry was missing a couple of key rules from the book. And yeah, you can say "just copy them down from someone's book copy" but I don't see how that's different than saying the same thing for a book like the new Grey Knights (which is so so similar to its previous iteration)- such that I don't think people are as accepting of this option.

But who am I fooling, the books are all such a mess these days that I'm guessing people are way more blasé about someone walking in with just photocopies of everything relevant.

 Paradigm wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Seems if the rules are both in WD and the form of a book then everyone should be happy.

Ha! That was a good one.

Are you suggesting this is unlikely? Because at the moment, we have enough to go on to suggest the rules in WD will be enough to go on for those just wanting to throw in a squad or two, but at the same time have references to a Relic table more likely to be seen in a book. So it looks like the rules will be in both WD and book form.

I highlighted the unlikely part.

Ah, I see. Fair enough.

 Accolade wrote:

Murrdox wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
So no book?

Seeing the recent release... this is what I'm afraid of. The sneak peak of the rules in White Dwarf look way too detailed to truly be a "peak" it looks like the COMPLETE rules. The fact that the complete rules are in White Dwarf make me worry they aren't doing a book.

Dammit GW what's wrong with you! I wanted to give you money!!! I was really looking forward to a full-length (or at least mini-length) hardcover harlequin book with rules and fluff.

You *wanted* to give them $50 for a dataslate's worth of rules?

(I realize there will probably be a book next week)

Honestly... yes!

Sorry I love Eldar. The rules don't matter to me nearly as much as having a cool Harlequin book with fluff text, art, and models. I honestly wouldn't mind if it was light on rules.

I believe the White Dwarf entry was missing the Warlord Traits table for Imperial Knights. If Harlequins do get their own codex, don't expect to see this available in either White Dwarf or GW's website.

Murrdox wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

Murrdox wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
So no book?

Seeing the recent release... this is what I'm afraid of. The sneak peak of the rules in White Dwarf look way too detailed to truly be a "peak" it looks like the COMPLETE rules. The fact that the complete rules are in White Dwarf make me worry they aren't doing a book.

Dammit GW what's wrong with you! I wanted to give you money!!! I was really looking forward to a full-length (or at least mini-length) hardcover harlequin book with rules and fluff.

You *wanted* to give them $50 for a dataslate's worth of rules?

(I realize there will probably be a book next week)

Honestly... yes!

Sorry I love Eldar. The rules don't matter to me nearly as much as having a cool Harlequin book with fluff text, art, and models. I honestly wouldn't mind if it was light on rules.

Well fair enough, to each his own!

To be clear, I wasn't being "unhappy" about the release, since it seems fashionable to mock posts that aren't 100% "this is amazing!". I was just genuinely curious about Murrdox's feelings on the topic.


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 Ghaz wrote:
I believe the White Dwarf entry was missing the Warlord Traits table for Imperial Knights. If Harlequins do get their own codex, don't expect to see this available in either White Dwarf or GW's website.

I believe you're right Ghaz.

 Ghaz wrote:
I believe the White Dwarf entry was missing the Warlord Traits table for Imperial Knights. If Harlequins do get their own codex, don't expect to see this available in either White Dwarf or GW's website.

I have a feeling IK in WD was missing Warlord Traits, the Senchnal/weaker Knight options, and the Knight detachment. That said, there was enough to go on to run one with just the WD.

I imagine these guys will go the same way; the stuff not in WD should fit on the back of a napkin, so you should be able to run these guys just from the Dwarf issues once the leaks hit for the traits, FOC and Relics. Of course, the last lot of WD rules are now free online, so that's an option too.

 pretre wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Seems if the rules are both in WD and the form of a book then everyone should be happy.

Ha! That was a good one.

Are you suggesting this is unlikely? Because at the moment, we have enough to go on to suggest the rules in WD will be enough to go on for those just wanting to throw in a squad or two, but at the same time have references to a Relic table more likely to be seen in a book. So it looks like the rules will be in both WD and book form.

I highlighted the unlikely part.

My tongue was firmly in cheek. But you never know (well, we do)

 Accolade wrote:
Are we sure all the rules are in the WD? I could have sworn the Imperial Knights WD entry was missing a couple of key rules from the book. And yeah, you can say "just copy them down from someone's book copy" but I don't see how that's different than saying the same thing for a book like the new Grey Knights (which is so so similar to its previous iteration)- such that I don't think people are as accepting of this option.

But who am I fooling, the books are all such a mess these days that I'm guessing people are way more blasé about someone walking in with just photocopies of everything relevant.

As of right now, we do not have the (new) rules for Shadowseers or Death Jesters or the rules for the new "Starweaver" transport or the Black Library artifacts.

It's interesting as well that the Harlequin Troupe lost Shadowseers and Death Jesters from their upgrade options.

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Seems if the rules are both in WD and the form of a book then everyone should be happy.

Ha! That was a good one.

Are you suggesting this is unlikely? Because at the moment, we have enough to go on to suggest the rules in WD will be enough to go on for those just wanting to throw in a squad or two, but at the same time have references to a Relic table more likely to be seen in a book. So it looks like the rules will be in both WD and book form.

I highlighted the unlikely part.

My tongue was firmly in cheek. But you never know (well, we do)

Cool, glad we can be mocking and condescending of someone asking a question. That'll teach us plebians to not ask questions!

Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Are we sure all the rules are in the WD? I could have sworn the Imperial Knights WD entry was missing a couple of key rules from the book. And yeah, you can say "just copy them down from someone's book copy" but I don't see how that's different than saying the same thing for a book like the new Grey Knights (which is so so similar to its previous iteration)- such that I don't think people are as accepting of this option.

But who am I fooling, the books are all such a mess these days that I'm guessing people are way more blasé about someone walking in with just photocopies of everything relevant.

As of right now, we do not have the (new) rules for Shadowseers or Death Jesters or the rules for the new "Starweaver" transport or the Black Library artifacts.

It's interesting as well that the Harlequin Troupe lost Shadowseers and Death Jesters from their upgrade options.

Hmm, I wonder if Shadowseers and Death Jesters will end up with the Solitaire treatment and serve as independent characters who may or may not be allowed to join other groups (I'm guessing Shadowseer yes, Death Jester no).

I'm assuming you'll see the remaining unit/vehicle rules in the next WD, I'm just curious if there will be the Artifact/Warlord Trait sections as well. We do have the rules for the Harlequin's equipment with this current issue, so there is hope.

 Accolade wrote:

Hmm, I wonder if Shadowseers and Death Jesters will end up with the Solitaire treatment and serve as independent characters who may or may not be allowed to join other groups (I'm guessing Shadowseer yes, Death Jester no).

I'm thinking that the Death Jester is going to definitely get the Solitaire treatment and become a very, very nasty customer.

I could easily see Shadowseers becoming an HQ choice, if we are in fact going to see a book, along with a possible "High Avatar" option.

I'm assuming you'll see the remaining unit/vehicle rules in the next WD, I'm just curious if there will be the Artifact/Warlord Trait sections as well. We do have the rules for the Harlequin's equipment with this current issue, so there is hope.

We know there's an artifact list. It's called "Enigmas of the Black Library" and the Solitaire and Troupe Masters can take items from it.

 Accolade wrote:

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Seems if the rules are both in WD and the form of a book then everyone should be happy.

Ha! That was a good one.

Are you suggesting this is unlikely? Because at the moment, we have enough to go on to suggest the rules in WD will be enough to go on for those just wanting to throw in a squad or two, but at the same time have references to a Relic table more likely to be seen in a book. So it looks like the rules will be in both WD and book form.

I highlighted the unlikely part.

My tongue was firmly in cheek. But you never know (well, we do)

Cool, glad we can be mocking and condescending of someone asking a question. That'll teach us plebians to not ask questions!

Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Are we sure all the rules are in the WD? I could have sworn the Imperial Knights WD entry was missing a couple of key rules from the book. And yeah, you can say "just copy them down from someone's book copy" but I don't see how that's different than saying the same thing for a book like the new Grey Knights (which is so so similar to its previous iteration)- such that I don't think people are as accepting of this option.

But who am I fooling, the books are all such a mess these days that I'm guessing people are way more blasé about someone walking in with just photocopies of everything relevant.

As of right now, we do not have the (new) rules for Shadowseers or Death Jesters or the rules for the new "Starweaver" transport or the Black Library artifacts.

It's interesting as well that the Harlequin Troupe lost Shadowseers and Death Jesters from their upgrade options.

Hmm, I wonder if Shadowseers and Death Jesters will end up with the Solitaire treatment and serve as independent characters who may or may not be allowed to join other groups (I'm guessing Shadowseer yes, Death Jester no).

I'm assuming you'll see the remaining unit/vehicle rules in the next WD, I'm just curious if there will be the Artifact/Warlord Trait sections as well. We do have the rules for the Harlequin's equipment with this current issue, so there is hope.

I'd be down with splitting the Death Jesters from the Troupes, in all honesty. They don't mesh well, as they aren't a close combat unit and the Troupe usually wants to be either running or charging, whereas Death Jesters want to be shooting. Making them a 1-3 choice, like Hive Guard, would make sense. If they can shoot out of the top of a transport, that would be very nice, too.

I suspect we're not going to get a separate Death Jester mini

as if you look at the finecast one



the mask looks very like one of those (no 5) on the troupe sprue that's not featured heavily but is shown in the WD



so it might well be a case of rules showing up but you'll need to use one of them as the mini

I don't feel the Death Jester or Shadowseer are in desperate need of an update, they have nice models as is, although changing from finecast to plastic is something i wouldn't say no to.

I'd imagine they will get the Troupe Master treatment, 2W, high Ws/Bs and obviously, a big gun or mind bullets.