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 MrFlutterPie wrote:
I plan on running a pure Harlequin force myself.

Although I am tempted to ally them with DE and use the Carnival of pain detachment. Two sides of the same twisted Circus theme.

And then call it Monty Python's Flying Circus?

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Ace Rimmer wrote:
To be fair, at base cost, these guys are slightly better than vypers.

"Slightly better" than garbage is still garbage.

I actually like Vypers; lots of S6 shots (laserlock or guide is fun) and great ability to grab objectives. I usually include 2 or 3, and they rarely let me down.
With the sky weavers though, I feel I would need atleast 4 to make a difference, making the point cost quite high.
You must also consider the harlie-bikes have short range and aim to assault, meaning they will have to stay close to enemies.

Are these guys str5 on the charge -> furious + glaive?
Throwing out 4 attacks on the charge at ap2 with hit and run and assaulting first most times. Not bad imo.

I'm going to be investing pretty heavily in my Saim-Hann/ Harlequin army. Shooting for a playable 6000 points in about 3 months.

Don't care if it doesn't do well, just looking forward to seeing that prettiness on the table!

pretre wrote:Is it me or is $40 for 2 reasonable?

Shhhhhhhh. They'll hear you...

dan2026 wrote:Not quite sure why Jetbikes need grenades anyway.
The rules say they aren't slowed by difficult terrain.
That and logically they arent touching the ground anyway.

Damned if I know.

Just sucks that they came so close to being a such a nasty assault unit. 4 S5 AP2 at initiative might be worth 60 points, but watching them get punked by marines because their toes are on rocks makes it a questionable investment.

Rainbow Dash wrote:

 Dash2021 wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Dash2021 wrote:

There's absolutely no reason to take them as Shuri Cannon platforms, as vypers do exactly the same thing for less and better (and we see how often they get used).

I don't think Harlequins will get Vypers anyhow (outside of using Craftworlders as allies).

Certainly won't, but I highly doubt you see a pure Harlequin army either. Was simply comparing the possible uses to things your allies can bring to the table. Given that you're allies are available, there is just no possible sense in bringing this unit as a gun boat. Filling only that role it is horridly inefficient.

If I can I'm making a pure Harlequin army, I have no desire to play Eldar or Dark Eldar yet again or paint any more of their stuff.

That is your choice, and more power for it. A lot of the people excited about Harlequins have been playing Eldar/DE for years as a main army, and will have ready and easy access to either/both. Unless there are some really interesting units we haven't heard about being released or the Starweaver is becomes the bulk of the HS support in the Harli army (ala CWE WS), playing the codex solo is going be incredibly unbalanced. If you like that, great. I'm going to go out on a limb and say most of us will be allying in our ranged damage though.

dan2026 wrote:Not quite sure why Jetbikes need grenades anyway.
The rules say they aren't slowed by difficult terrain.
That and logically they arent touching the ground anyway.

Damned if I know.

Just sucks that they came so close to being a such a nasty assault unit. 4 S5 AP2 at initiative might be worth 60 points, but watching them get punked by marines because their toes are on rocks makes it a questionable investment.

Don't jetbikes ignore difficult terrain on the charge?

False alarm. The codex cannot be preordered this Friday. Neckutter on Warseer corrected himself tonight. Not a biggy

Not that I've seen, but the codex doesn't come out for two more weeks

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7375550&viewfull=1#post7375550

 Lynchbread wrote:

dan2026 wrote:Not quite sure why Jetbikes need grenades anyway.
The rules say they aren't slowed by difficult terrain.
That and logically they arent touching the ground anyway.

Damned if I know.

Just sucks that they came so close to being a such a nasty assault unit. 4 S5 AP2 at initiative might be worth 60 points, but watching them get punked by marines because their toes are on rocks makes it a questionable investment.

Don't jetbikes ignore difficult terrain on the charge?

I don't think so but I don't have a rulebook handy to prove otherwise right this second.

No they don't

Even if they ignored it for movement purposes it explicitly says that a unit would still suffer the initiative penalty in CC.

They are not slowed down by it but get the penalty. Like plastictrees has already pointed out. They also have to take dangerous terrain tests if they start or end their charge in difficult/dangerous terrain.

 Lynchbread wrote:

dan2026 wrote:Not quite sure why Jetbikes need grenades anyway.
The rules say they aren't slowed by difficult terrain.
That and logically they arent touching the ground anyway.

Damned if I know.

Just sucks that they came so close to being a such a nasty assault unit. 4 S5 AP2 at initiative might be worth 60 points, but watching them get punked by marines because their toes are on rocks makes it a questionable investment.

Don't jetbikes ignore difficult terrain on the charge?

Page 47: "...if at least one model in the charging unit moved through difficult terrain as part of its charge move, all of the unit's models must attack at Initiative 1, regardless of other Initiative modifiers, even if the charging unit is not slowed by difficult terrain." (emphasis mine) EDIT: Double ninja'd!

This is why the new addition to the Flip Belt rules are so awesome for us, even though Harlies have always ignored Difficult Terrain. Without either grenades or Flip Belts, the Skyweavers are basically Incubi in cc, and we all know how often those get taken. Seems to me like a far better use of their Assault Phase is to do a Jetbike assault move behind cover to put them out of return fire from whatever they just unloaded their dakka on, with Hit & Run as a tool to keep them from getting bogged down if they get caught out. This move-shoot-move basically makes them the most durable dakka/haywire platform available to any Eldar (unless I'm forgetting something; I'm sure you all will point it out), but it's still questionable whether that's worth 50 points per gun. I'm trying to hold off making any kind of final judgement until I see how the rest of the army shakes out.

They certainly have the speed to take good advantage of targets of opportunity in CC as well. They can't just smash in to anything which I guess makes them sub-optimal but certainly not useless.

Really want to see what the Starweaver looks like/does..


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I would have guessed something Venom sized for the Starweaver, but the bikes are heading that way anyway, so maybe some sort of Serpent/Raider mash up.

 plastictrees wrote:
I would have guessed something Venom sized for the Starweaver, but the bikes are heading that way anyway, so maybe some sort of Serpent/Raider mash up.

Personally, I would really like to see a transport capable of carrying an entire squad; though I also appreciate the Venom's smaller payload, as well. I'd heard at one point that Harlequins would be getting Venoms as well (which is appropriate, since I think the Venom first appeared as a Harlequin transport and was only later used by the DE). Does anyone know if this is still the case? If so, I think it increases the chance of the Starweaver being a bit bigger.

Is the Venom a dedicated transport for the DE? The WD Harlequin entry, which I think we have to assume is ripped straight from the future book only lists the Starweaver as a transport.

I'd also rather see something with a 10-13 type capactiy.

Nothing to back this up with but I'm guessing that the Harlequin book will be completely self contained, no use of Eldar/DEldar units.

Looks really good. If I start a Harlequin army...

Hopefully they'll get one of these...

 plastictrees wrote:
Is the Venom a dedicated transport for the DE? The WD Harlequin entry, which I think we have to assume is ripped straight from the future book only lists the Starweaver as a transport.

I'd also rather see something with a 10-13 type capactiy.

Nothing to back this up with but I'm guessing that the Harlequin book will be completely self contained, no use of Eldar/DEldar units.

Yes, raiders and venoms are DT. Raiders have a capacity of 10 and Venoms have a capacity of 5.

Kind of hoping the transport is raider sized, vs Venom. What makes venoms good is the low price point coupled with the insane # of shots, it's transport capacity really isn't factored into the cost (2x the shots of a dual Cannon Vyper for same points and statline, plus the transport capacity). Given Harli's aren't able to get 18" blasters to shoot with, and the skyweaver should be the gun boat, a smaller sized transport looses its appeal. Harli's are expensive though (points wise), so a small transport would make sense. Given the Skyweaver's execution though, I'm worried about how GW would handle making a "different venom" that comes close to the balance seen in the DE venom.

Now, a more durable raider could be interesting. Skyweaver's Mirage launchers (highly likely), AV11 open topped 3HP with a capacity of ~12 could make for some fun. If it didn't come with a single weapon, I'd be happy as long as it got my Harli's from Point A) to Point B) reliably. Would be nice to have a codex where the troop choice actually did the brunt of the work.

Realistically I think we'll end up with a small transport, and the shadowseer will be the transport for larger units. Lets just hope the Shadowseer's powers are actually useful this time around.

Veil of tears in the eldar dex is fantastic!

Please elaborate my friend!!

I've had a lot of luck with it too, being immune to anything >24" away is awesome! I use them to grant cover to jetpack corsairs or storm guardians with a warlock. Can't soot the guys out front, giving the guys behind a save. 3+ with the warlock concealing the unit. Yay 20 man storm guardians!

 Verviedi wrote:

Looks really good. If I start a Harlequin army...

Where was this found! Id love to acquire one, maybe two for an army!

outpost_2 wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:

Looks really good. If I start a Harlequin army...

Where was this found! Id love to acquire one, maybe two for an army!

Its a golden demon winning conversion.

Mymearan wrote:

outpost_2 wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:

Looks really good. If I start a Harlequin army...

Where was this found! Id love to acquire one, maybe two for an army!

Its a golden demon winning conversion.

bloody gorgeous. Love the darker, more sombre palette. def the route to go imho. Wanna be careful though or could end up looking like a squad of death jesters......hmmm lol

I'm feeling a more red, white and black scheme to be honest, the coats and masks would be white with the body suit being black then the long boots and other areas being black/white and red/black diamonds

 Mantle wrote:
I'm feeling a more red, white and black scheme to be honest, the coats and masks would be white with the body suit being black then the long boots and other areas being black/white and red/black diamonds

Aye. Sounds nice too. Simple but gonna look great on the figs. Not wanting to go all skittles on them though.

More pics from the upcoming WD from http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.de/2015/02/mas-fotos-de-las-skyweavers.html

- Confirmed for tomorrow's preorder: Jetbikes, two BL novels -

Photos:





The original source has one more:


http://astropate.blogspot.de/2015/02/nuovi-arlecchini-immagini-da-white-dwarf.html

So it looks like you get some options then with that bolas- about to swing it and about to release it.

I definitely like the three bolas closer together look over the windmill.