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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Skitarri (the release coming up) might be a Scion-eske book mainly for allying a small faction of units to your army as a means to split the release between this and a bigger book later while also working as a self contained (though possibly not well-rounded) army.

Though I fully expect a book/painting guide with this release. That just fits GW perfectly.

While it may sound strange for someone that someone as AdMech-obsessed as me, I really don't want two books. Spreading the army thin over multiple books is kinda what kills Chaos (and what makes armies like the DA's and BA's so... perfunctory!). If it's not someone getting their wires crossed, and the second book is just a painting guide, then hopefully it's an easily ignorable Scion-esque book.

I agree, less books is better, but if an Ad Mech book is coming to go with the Skitarri book that's what I expect.

Though that's assuming this is a Skitarri book and not some wires crossed about that too.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I don't think there were any non-HQ units at all. There was maybe an Engineseer or a Tech Priest, but nowhere near an army in their own right.

Of course, with a % based unit type list making system and an ally system, you could probably have cobbled so,ething together and called it Ad Mech, but they never got their own book, and I don't recall any Chapter Approved style magazine articles for them either.

Happily most of that list is in the gallery I did a review of the Black Codex a few years back.





My memory is that it had tech priests (who you needed to take for Graviton Guns), servitors (useful because they could get shotguns) and electro priests (kung-fu lightning shaolin monks FTW!).

I always wanted to do an AM hoard but was waiting for the plastics.

After 20 years I think I deserve to buy myself an AM army.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

After 20 years I think I deserve to buy myself an AM army.

That was my thought as well

I remember back in the days of Usenet arguing whether Tech Marines counted as Tech Priests (for the purposes of using a grav gun) and which minis would work for Electro Priests (ghouls seemed the main choice).

Good times.

Damn well better have electro priests in the codex GW. It's been 20 years and I want my damn lighting shaolin monks.

And my Arbites codex.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
And my Arbites codex.

Reports say Deathwatch and Genestealer Cults may be coming, so let's not get greedy!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I remember back in the days of Usenet arguing whether Tech Marines counted as Tech Priests (for the purposes of using a grav gun) and which minis would work for Electro Priests (ghouls seemed the main choice).

Good times.

Damn well better have electro priests in the codex GW. It's been 20 years and I want my damn lighting shaolin monks.

And my Arbites codex.

This so freaking much

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
And my Arbites codex.

Reports say Deathwatch and Genestealer Cults may be coming, so let's not get greedy!

I will accept a Sensei and Squat combined codex in its place.

AdMech (and Arbites) made sense to do LONG ago, certainly before all the sub-varieties of marine. They're obviously appealing to a lot of people, and both have a massive military presence.

I'll never figure out how or why Grey Knights got a full release, and that's coming from a devoted Rogue Trader GK player.

I hope the AdMech release is impressive- some of the recent plastics look pretty 'flat' to me, although that's mostly the larger creatures, Ogryns, etc.

I think in this age of allies the notion of full codices and full releases doesn't mean much.

I just hope this release is better than the harlequins. All they did for harlies was re sculpt a few models we've had for years that nobody ever used before and throw in a couple new jetbikes. Competitively they're also pretty terrible. Ad mech could be awesome if GW did them right, but they seem to be the masters of taking a good idea and ruining the execution.

 Toofast wrote:
I just hope this release is better than the harlequins. All they did for harlies was re sculpt a few models we've had for years that nobody ever used before and throw in a couple new jetbikes. Competitively they're also pretty terrible. Ad mech could be awesome if GW did them right, but they seem to be the masters of taking a good idea and ruining the execution.

They also added in the Solitaire, added a boatload of fluff, added extra masks, alternate weapons, a dedicated transport (which looks bigger than a Venom from what I've seen) and a (light) tank.

But yes, "only" re-sculpted some models.

And even with all that, they're still a bottom tier mini faction. If ad mech gets the same treatment I'll be saving lots of money.

A bottom-tier mini-faction are the Crimson Slaughter, or Scion... things... whatever the feth the new Stormtroopers are called.

Harlis? No. Codex Harlequins has been something of a white whale for 40K. I'm still amazed it came out. In the same year AdMech are getting a Codex. We're in Bizzaro GW land right now.

I'm amazed it came out, too. Eldar players have been begging for exodite models for at least 15 years. Eldar riding dinosaurs would've sold like crazy and gotten a ton of players to start a new army. Instead we got harlequins. The reaction I've seen both locally and in the eldar facebook groups was mixed to say the least. It's mostly the hardcore eldar veterans that have to have everything picking them up. I haven't seen a whole lot of people who never played eldar before scrambling to start a new army due to harlequins. Their codex, dice, cards and paint guides are languishing on the shelves of my local GW and all 5 FLGS with managers reporting sub par sales compared to the other new releases over the past year. In the competitive circles, they've been play tested with nothing but bad results no matter how they're run. Some people may enjoy the elvish space clowns, I just haven't met any of those people in person, on facebook or on BOLS, TOF, etc.

It's hardly a veteran wargamer thing. I've seen loads of people new to the hobby pick them up as well as people already invested in the hobby. 1 local gw shop and a handful of flgs is hardly a good representation of how well a model range sells.

 Toofast wrote:
Eldar players have been begging for exodite models for at least 15 years. Eldar riding dinosaurs would've sold like crazy and gotten a ton of players to start a new army.

I don't mean to pick apart your post like I'm ignoring everything else - I did read the whole thing - but I quote this specific bit because I want to ask a question (to everyone, not just you):

Really?

Do we know that Eldar riding dinosaurs would have been such a big hit? That it would have, as you said, resulted in "a ton of players" starting new armies? Don't Exodites have the same sort of "veterans only" legacy issues than Harlis have (even moreso, given Exodites have never had 40K models, and Harlis were a current release with existing rules even before their Codex it)?

I know I'd like to see Exodites (even if FW have to do them like they did Eldar Corsairs), but are they that big a deal? I'd say even fewer people know about them then they do (or did) about Harlis.

Yeah, I don't think Exodites = auto-sale, especially as larger models = £££ (or $$$ or whatever you use), and they are fairly vet-centric.

Genestealer Cult = auto-sale, even though very vet-centric; it's like the frickin' Holy Grail.

Ad Mech in any form = auto-sale, even though vet-centric.

 Dr Mathias wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

After 20 years I think I deserve to buy myself an AM army.

That was my thought as well

I'd like one but I have to see the figures. As some stuff has been hit and miss of late.

migooo wrote:

 Dr Mathias wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

After 20 years I think I deserve to buy myself an AM army.

That was my thought as well

I'd like one but I have to see the figures. As some stuff has been hit and miss of late.

My biggest fear as well. I have been crying for an AdMech army for years, so much so that I eventually went and made my own using things from other companies. Now we're finally getting one... and I want to live in hope, but there's something at the back of my mind going "Razorgore! Plastic Minotaurs! WRATHMONGERS!", and I can't shut it out.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
A bottom-tier mini-faction are the Crimson Slaughter, or Scion... things... whatever the feth the new Stormtroopers are called.

Harlis? No. Codex Harlequins has been something of a white whale for 40K. I'm still amazed it came out. In the same year AdMech are getting a Codex. We're in Bizzaro GW land right now.

It's not that bizarre. The idea is that they try to update the existing products as little as possible, and instead keep making new armies filled with new units. Even when an existing army does get updated, they'll try to update as few existing kits as possible and instead spend the resources on new units that nobody has seen before. It's all about selling stuff of course. People are more inclined to buy stuff they don't have and could use in their games, than replacing models with new versions of the same.

It's pretty cool for us oldschool hobbyists who can remember those dark days in 2nd and 3rd edition when we could only dream of releases like this. There's definately a sense of nostalgia there.

On the 40k side of thing, I've mentioned this before elsewhere, but it's relevant; the human factions have kind of got awful models from GW prime for a while now. The tactical marine resculpt was and remains fantastic, and can be used for lots of things aside from useless tacticals, but aside from that?

Centurions
Bull/Ogryns
Taurox
Logan Clause
Flying Shipping Crate
Murderfang

Scions are fiercely debated aesthetically, though I discount them due to being monopose plastic infantry; you can only build them in very specific ways, like the ancient SM Scouts, and cost more than the awesome, but monopose metal Kasrkin.

Meanwhile, Xeno releases from GW prime have been, on the whole, quite solid.

harlequins
Riptide (if fluff breaking)
Tyranids (even if most of them are rules-wise, awful)
Gork/Morkanaught
Flash Gitz
etc

While the rules, pricing or adherence to established theme or a coherent theme isn't always the case, the xeno model releases have been quite solid aesthetically if viewed on their own at least. The current GW sculptors just don't seem to get how to do Imperial or Chaos SM infantry, and to a lesser extent, vehicles; they tend to be non-sensical to a degree not seen in other armies (perhaps Xenos lend themselves more to the outlandish style GW has adopted as of late?)

That makes me nervous for what the Skitarii might end up looking like; art of them is as varied as the seasons, most of which would be challenging to do with plastis models, so who's to say GW might just abandon the art-look entirely and do something different, and who knows what that'll end up as.

As a famous Blood Raven Librarian once said, "Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment"

JohnnyHell wrote:Yeah, I don't think Exodites = auto-sale, especially as larger models = £££ (or $$$ or whatever you use), and they are fairly vet-centric.

Genestealer Cult = auto-sale, even though very vet-centric; it's like the frickin' Holy Grail.

Ad Mech in any form = auto-sale, even though vet-centric.

Squats in any form = the most sold army of all time. Super vet-centric.

MajorStoffer wrote:
Bull/Ogryns
Taurox

Personally, I think both had the potential to be killer kits. The Bullgryns fell short due to their silly tank track armour plus a few other silly little details.
The Ogryns are alright. The stupid way they hold their guns is unfortunate.

The Taurox. Again, great potential. Just a few stupid design mistakes (ridiculous tracks, badly placed exhausts/autocannons) stop it being great.

Aww... I like the new Ogryn. They're a marked improvement over the ugly metal ones, and the super-cartoonish ones before that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Aww... I like the new Ogryn. They're a marked improvement over the ugly metal ones, and the super-cartoonish ones before that.

Agreed. Im not a big fan of abhumans, but the new Ogryns look way better than the old style.

You can make every model of the Epic Exodites of old in 28mm with the Dark Eldar Cold One Riders and a bunch of the Lizardmen kits. It's all there, already in plastic Genestealer Hybrids and AdMech on the other hand - looking forward to new kits

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
A bottom-tier mini-faction are the Crimson Slaughter, or Scion... things... whatever the feth the new Stormtroopers are called.

Harlis? No. Codex Harlequins has been something of a white whale for 40K. I'm still amazed it came out. In the same year AdMech are getting a Codex. We're in Bizzaro GW land right now.

Might we get Squats or Demiurg? ... or Sisters even would be nice.

Scions are debated? I personally think they're one the best-looking designs in all of 40k, and I don't think I've seen much criticism of them. Is it the gothic breastplates?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

migooo wrote:

 Dr Mathias wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

After 20 years I think I deserve to buy myself an AM army.

That was my thought as well

I'd like one but I have to see the figures. As some stuff has been hit and miss of late.

My biggest fear as well. I have been crying for an AdMech army for years, so much so that I eventually went and made my own using things from other companies. Now we're finally getting one... and I want to live in hope, but there's something at the back of my mind going "Razorgore! Plastic Minotaurs! WRATHMONGERS!", and I can't shut it out.

[Mrs H.] You will like your Mechanicus Mechanaught mounting Mechanicus Missiles shooting MechaLazors and you will enjoy it young man or you will not be getting the MechaTank with MechaCannon playset for your Birthday!

Yeah, anticipation is a bitch isn't it!

 MajorStoffer wrote:

Centurions
Bull/Ogryns
Taurox
Logan Clause
Flying Shipping Crate
Murderfang

I... actually like most of those...