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I want to hold up my hands and say I got it wrong I have seen the light.

After reading that Bell of lost souls article about why space marine sergeants don't wear helmets, GW's design ethos makes sense now

Yes, from a military perspective, painting bulls eyes on the heads of these exposed crewmen makes no sense, but it makes sense in the 40k universe.

To those people whom I disagreed with, you were right.

I still don't like the design, and I still think the soldiers look like Death Korps, but I can't criticise the other aspects.

Sackcloth and ashes for me.

PS Is it just me, or can I hear Nelson from the Simpsons going ha ha

The price is a killer. Considering there's not really a lot of plastic involved I don't really think the height is any kind of justification.

*spit take*

$83AU for the walker? God a unit of them is going to be expensive as hell...
I kinda expected the Skitarii, since SM/BA Tacs are around 60ish+ dollars... but dang.

I mean it makes sense I suppose because of the size... but still

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
wow, these look truelly awful, I was expecting so much more, they just seem like scions with kit change and more clothes...

So basically, they look extremely different from scions, other than their height?

Then I shall explain, the poses look just as mono and gimpy as the scions, the gear looks cartoony and stupid like the blinged up scion In the greatcoat, the weapons look again cartoony and stupid, all in all ...bad
and that walker just looks like a zoid for crying out loud, where is the sinister menace of the mechanicum, where are the beefed up skitarii we have read about, with limbs missing etc or hard wired weapons, if you guys like them, fine, I just think they are bland, boring, uninspired and almost completely miss the image that the mech have portrayed for decades, sadly this has been happening with GW more and more since "cartoon chaos" came out years ago.

 Gitsplitta wrote:
Hmmm... not quite as ugly or ridiculous as I'd first thought. The way they have it deployed I wonder if it isn't some kind of squad support element rather than a stand-alone unit...

It does have that Extended Data-Tether.

Shame they don't do any market research (don't wanna be otiose!). I think that a $10 US price drop on those walkers would have resulted in oh, about, twice as many sales, if not more.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Looks like my guess about the base size being the smaller oval base may have be right. That looks like it might be a bigger base than the oval Carnifex one.

I still wanna know if those troops are on 25mm or 32mm bases.

 Formosa wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
wow, these look truelly awful, I was expecting so much more, they just seem like scions with kit change and more clothes...

So basically, they look extremely different from scions, other than their height?

Then I shall explain, the poses look just as mono and gimpy as the scions, the gear looks cartoony and stupid like the blinged up scion In the greatcoat, the weapons look again cartoony and stupid, all in all ...bad
and that walker just looks like a zoid for crying out loud, where is the sinister menace of the mechanicum, where are the beefed up skitarii we have read about, with limbs missing etc or hard wired weapons, if you guys like them, fine, I just think they are bland, boring, uninspired and almost completely miss the image that the mech have portrayed for decades, sadly this has been happening with GW more and more since "cartoon chaos" came out years ago.

So it's basically "it's not to my personal tastes or expectations"?


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axisofentropy wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Looks like my guess about the base size being the smaller oval base may have be right. That looks like it might be a bigger base than the oval Carnifex one.

I still wanna know if those troops are on 25mm or 32mm bases.

Since the feet are near the edges of the base my guess is 25mm.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
wow, these look truelly awful, I was expecting so much more, they just seem like scions with kit change and more clothes...

So basically, they look extremely different from scions, other than their height?

Then I shall explain, the poses look just as mono and gimpy as the scions, the gear looks cartoony and stupid like the blinged up scion In the greatcoat, the weapons look again cartoony and stupid, all in all ...bad
and that walker just looks like a zoid for crying out loud, where is the sinister menace of the mechanicum, where are the beefed up skitarii we have read about, with limbs missing etc or hard wired weapons, if you guys like them, fine, I just think they are bland, boring, uninspired and almost completely miss the image that the mech have portrayed for decades, sadly this has been happening with GW more and more since "cartoon chaos" came out years ago.

So it's basically "it's not to my personal tastes or expectations"?


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axisofentropy wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Looks like my guess about the base size being the smaller oval base may have be right. That looks like it might be a bigger base than the oval Carnifex one.

I still wanna know if those troops are on 25mm or 32mm bases.

Since the feet are near the edges of the base my guess is 25mm.

well... yeah, duh! I cant say its not the tastes of other people now can I, +10pts for obvious answer being obvious.

Infact its not in line with any of the described skitarii, artwork etc. so cant blame me for wanting them to look more menacing than cartoony.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
wow, these look truelly awful, I was expecting so much more, they just seem like scions with kit change and more clothes...

So basically, they look extremely different from scions, other than their height?

Then I shall explain, the poses look just as mono and gimpy as the scions, the gear looks cartoony and stupid like the blinged up scion In the greatcoat, the weapons look again cartoony and stupid, all in all ...bad
and that walker just looks like a zoid for crying out loud, where is the sinister menace of the mechanicum, where are the beefed up skitarii we have read about, with limbs missing etc or hard wired weapons, if you guys like them, fine, I just think they are bland, boring, uninspired and almost completely miss the image that the mech have portrayed for decades, sadly this has been happening with GW more and more since "cartoon chaos" came out years ago.

So it's basically "it's not to my personal tastes or expectations"

More likely he just hasn't realized he hates the 40k and GW aesthetics.

 Formosa wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
wow, these look truelly awful, I was expecting so much more, they just seem like scions with kit change and more clothes...

So basically, they look extremely different from scions, other than their height?

Then I shall explain, the poses look just as mono and gimpy as the scions, the gear looks cartoony and stupid like the blinged up scion In the greatcoat, the weapons look again cartoony and stupid, all in all ...bad
and that walker just looks like a zoid for crying out loud, where is the sinister menace of the mechanicum, where are the beefed up skitarii we have read about, with limbs missing etc or hard wired weapons, if you guys like them, fine, I just think they are bland, boring, uninspired and almost completely miss the image that the mech have portrayed for decades, sadly this has been happening with GW more and more since "cartoon chaos" came out years ago.

too cartoony and stupid, strong arguement you got there

surely your artistic tastes must be well developed

 Gitsplitta wrote:
Hmmm... not quite as ugly or ridiculous as I'd first thought. The way they have it deployed I wonder if it isn't some kind of squad support element rather than a stand-alone unit...

It's said it's as tall as a Riptide. But that is from Fiet so take from that what you will.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
wow, these look truelly awful, I was expecting so much more, they just seem like scions with kit change and more clothes...

So basically, they look extremely different from scions, other than their height?

Then I shall explain, the poses look just as mono and gimpy as the scions, the gear looks cartoony and stupid like the blinged up scion In the greatcoat, the weapons look again cartoony and stupid, all in all ...bad
and that walker just looks like a zoid for crying out loud, where is the sinister menace of the mechanicum, where are the beefed up skitarii we have read about, with limbs missing etc or hard wired weapons, if you guys like them, fine, I just think they are bland, boring, uninspired and almost completely miss the image that the mech have portrayed for decades, sadly this has been happening with GW more and more since "cartoon chaos" came out years ago.

So it's basically "it's not to my personal tastes or expectations"?

Gary Murderface: "Do_I_Not_Like_That stumbles but Formosa grabs the baton!"
Steve Grimname: "It looks like he's going to be significantly less self aware than the previous runner Gary, let's see how he gets on."
Gary: "Hating everything and insulting everyone that disagrees with you is a bold strategy, but well themed to the 40k universe with a strong tradition on the internet. Back to the action now..."

As a personal note, the walker has a dismemberd human hard-wired into it's chasis. It's possible that your sinister menace detection apparatus may be faulty.

I think a lot of it is the paintjob. I think they look pretty gritty.

It might have been nice for them to have some exposed flesh areas. Plugged with wires and such.

It's better than nothing though. Perhaps they took this more mechanical look because of the upcoming genestealer cultists.

Definitely no where near as bad as the Chaos realeases of a few years ago, but I see what Formosa is getting at.

Also I really wish they'd stop putting those banding points on to a lot of the kits. It made sense on Knight and These but I hate that it's on the Taurox too.

migooo wrote:

 Gitsplitta wrote:
Hmmm... not quite as ugly or ridiculous as I'd first thought. The way they have it deployed I wonder if it isn't some kind of squad support element rather than a stand-alone unit...

It's said it's as tall as a Riptide. But that is from Fiet so take from that what you will.

Maybe if it's a kneeling Riptide. But I doubt it.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
wow, these look truelly awful, I was expecting so much more, they just seem like scions with kit change and more clothes...

So basically, they look extremely different from scions, other than their height?

Then I shall explain, the poses look just as mono and gimpy as the scions, the gear looks cartoony and stupid like the blinged up scion In the greatcoat, the weapons look again cartoony and stupid, all in all ...bad
and that walker just looks like a zoid for crying out loud, where is the sinister menace of the mechanicum, where are the beefed up skitarii we have read about, with limbs missing etc or hard wired weapons, if you guys like them, fine, I just think they are bland, boring, uninspired and almost completely miss the image that the mech have portrayed for decades, sadly this has been happening with GW more and more since "cartoon chaos" came out years ago.

So it's basically "it's not to my personal tastes or expectations"

More likely he just hasn't realized he hates the 40k and GW aesthetics.

heh yeah thats my read of it. there are some people on dakka dakka I've found whom complain about every new release even when it suits the aesthetic of the faction perfectly. it's like the people who complained the new space Marine units where "too boxy" I mean.... wut? that's been the SM vehicle aestetic since the rhino!

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Some of the Sisters and clamshell packs are around $1USD/pt or worse, so I wouldn't say they're alone in this.

I'm not excited about the price (I mean I can't be the only one who wanted to put like 12 of these on the table), but at the same time, for the size of the model I'm not mad because it fits into the cost of other comparatively sized new models. My hopes will rest on a good deal coming out of the Battlebox, or other similar bundles.

I also wanted to field 12 of the things, possibly more. A full unit of the dragoons and a full unit of the gun versions. But at the price GW wants? Nope. $220.50 for six of them if you can find a 25% discount somewhere. At first I was torn as to how to split my budget between new AdMech, Deadzone KS, and Raging Heroes KS (funny you mention Sisters, I can get nearly a whole Sisters army from RH for the price of one unit of Dragoons). Well, I can now mostly eliminate AdMech from that equation. Now I'll just buy some Skitarii to be a small allied force in 40K and to use as Tech Thralls in my 30K Mechanicum army. Even though FW is expensive, I still feel like I got my money's worth with the Mechanicum models I have. But not with the new AdMech.

I think the price just allows me to paint each uniquely. ( the walkers)

Ill be doing some minor conversions for Pelts and such but that's about it.

 plastictrees wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
wow, these look truelly awful, I was expecting so much more, they just seem like scions with kit change and more clothes...

So basically, they look extremely different from scions, other than their height?

Then I shall explain, the poses look just as mono and gimpy as the scions, the gear looks cartoony and stupid like the blinged up scion In the greatcoat, the weapons look again cartoony and stupid, all in all ...bad
and that walker just looks like a zoid for crying out loud, where is the sinister menace of the mechanicum, where are the beefed up skitarii we have read about, with limbs missing etc or hard wired weapons, if you guys like them, fine, I just think they are bland, boring, uninspired and almost completely miss the image that the mech have portrayed for decades, sadly this has been happening with GW more and more since "cartoon chaos" came out years ago.

So it's basically "it's not to my personal tastes or expectations"?

Gary Murderface: "Do_I_Not_Like_That stumbles but Formosa grabs the baton!"
Steve Grimname: "It looks like he's going to be significantly less self aware than the previous runner Gary, let's see how he gets on."
Gary: "Hating everything and insulting everyone that disagrees with you is a bold strategy, but well themed to the 40k universe with a strong tradition on the internet. Back to the action now..."

As a personal note, the walker has a dismemberd human hard-wired into it's chasis. It's possible that your sinister menace detection apparatus may be faulty.

I seldom Exalt posts...

But when I do..

Isn't the tau broadside $50 per kit? XV88s appear to be much smaller than this new walker... The price seems to be right to me. By "right" I mean what I would expect from GW.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Some of the Sisters and clamshell packs are around $1USD/pt or worse, so I wouldn't say they're alone in this.

I'm not excited about the price (I mean I can't be the only one who wanted to put like 12 of these on the table), but at the same time, for the size of the model I'm not mad because it fits into the cost of other comparatively sized new models. My hopes will rest on a good deal coming out of the Battlebox, or other similar bundles.

I also wanted to field 12 of the things, possibly more. A full unit of the dragoons and a full unit of the gun versions. But at the price GW wants? Nope. $220.50 for six of them if you can find a 25% discount somewhere. At first I was torn as to how to split my budget between new AdMech, Deadzone KS, and Raging Heroes KS (funny you mention Sisters, I can get nearly a whole Sisters army from RH for the price of one unit of Dragoons). Well, I can now mostly eliminate AdMech from that equation. Now I'll just buy some Skitarii to be a small allied force in 40K and to use as Tech Thralls in my 30K Mechanicum army. Even though FW is expensive, I still feel like I got my money's worth with the Mechanicum models I have. But not with the new AdMech.

All I know is that I'm really glad I'm getting a Questoris Knight Magera to add to the army since that'll help fill it out without shooting myself in the foot on cost (hen again I play Sisters so building an expensive army isn't anything new, and I'm thankful that at least the troops are reasonably priced so it's not all bad).

Plus it has a Lighting Cannon so you know, that's pretty sweet.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Some of the Sisters and clamshell packs are around $1USD/pt or worse, so I wouldn't say they're alone in this.

I'm not excited about the price (I mean I can't be the only one who wanted to put like 12 of these on the table), but at the same time, for the size of the model I'm not mad because it fits into the cost of other comparatively sized new models. My hopes will rest on a good deal coming out of the Battlebox, or other similar bundles.

I also wanted to field 12 of the things, possibly more. A full unit of the dragoons and a full unit of the gun versions. But at the price GW wants? Nope. $220.50 for six of them if you can find a 25% discount somewhere. At first I was torn as to how to split my budget between new AdMech, Deadzone KS, and Raging Heroes KS (funny you mention Sisters, I can get nearly a whole Sisters army from RH for the price of one unit of Dragoons). Well, I can now mostly eliminate AdMech from that equation. Now I'll just buy some Skitarii to be a small allied force in 40K and to use as Tech Thralls in my 30K Mechanicum army. Even though FW is expensive, I still feel like I got my money's worth with the Mechanicum models I have. But not with the new AdMech.

All I know is that I'm really glad I'm getting a Questoris Knight Magera to add to the army since that'll help fill it out without shooting myself in the foot on cost (hen again I play Sisters so building an expensive army isn't anything new, and I'm thankful that at least the troops are reasonably priced so it's not all bad).

Plus it has a Lighting Cannon so you know, that's pretty sweet.

Is that Questoris just a body-kit for the Knight kit? Or a complete model? The Forgeworld site makes it seem like it's just a body-kit. If so, that is one expensive Knight Titan...

 ekim wrote:
Isn't the tau broadside $50 per kit? XV88s appear to be much smaller than this new walker... The price seems to be right to me. By "right" I mean what I would expect from GW.

It's at least in the same pricing pattern as other compariblely sized kits. The problem really comes down to the number you can take in a unit and their low points cost.

I mean they're well balanced on the table, and you really do want to run units of 3-6 depending on the set up (6 of the Autocannon Ironstriders stand a good chance of erasing units or light/medium vehicles off the table for example), but when that's paired up with that price I fully understand why people would balk.

I, for one, am hoping we have some alternate options for HS and FA just so we aren't stuck with those to fill those slots. If for no other reason, for the cost of those models meaning I'd like to diversify in how I build the Ad Mech.


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rollawaythestone wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Some of the Sisters and clamshell packs are around $1USD/pt or worse, so I wouldn't say they're alone in this.

I'm not excited about the price (I mean I can't be the only one who wanted to put like 12 of these on the table), but at the same time, for the size of the model I'm not mad because it fits into the cost of other comparatively sized new models. My hopes will rest on a good deal coming out of the Battlebox, or other similar bundles.

I also wanted to field 12 of the things, possibly more. A full unit of the dragoons and a full unit of the gun versions. But at the price GW wants? Nope. $220.50 for six of them if you can find a 25% discount somewhere. At first I was torn as to how to split my budget between new AdMech, Deadzone KS, and Raging Heroes KS (funny you mention Sisters, I can get nearly a whole Sisters army from RH for the price of one unit of Dragoons). Well, I can now mostly eliminate AdMech from that equation. Now I'll just buy some Skitarii to be a small allied force in 40K and to use as Tech Thralls in my 30K Mechanicum army. Even though FW is expensive, I still feel like I got my money's worth with the Mechanicum models I have. But not with the new AdMech.

All I know is that I'm really glad I'm getting a Questoris Knight Magera to add to the army since that'll help fill it out without shooting myself in the foot on cost (hen again I play Sisters so building an expensive army isn't anything new, and I'm thankful that at least the troops are reasonably priced so it's not all bad).

Plus it has a Lighting Cannon so you know, that's pretty sweet.

Is that Questoris just a body-kit for the Knight kit? Or a complete model? The Forgeworld site makes it seem like it's just a body-kit. If so, that is one expensive Knight Titan...

Complete kit. I mean it's the plastic knight at it's core, but with all the added sexiness of that Mechanicum armor, weapons and head.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 ekim wrote:
Isn't the tau broadside $50 per kit? XV88s appear to be much smaller than this new walker... The price seems to be right to me. By "right" I mean what I would expect from GW.

It's at least in the same pricing pattern as other compariblely sized kits. The problem really comes down to the number you can take in a unit and their low points cost.

I mean they're well balanced on the table, and you really do want to run units of 3-6 depending on the set up (6 of the Autocannon Ironstriders stand a good chance of erasing units or light/medium vehicles off the table for example), but when that's paired up with that price I fully understand why people would balk.

I, for one, am hoping we have some alternate options for HS and FA just so we aren't stuck with those to fill those slots. If for no other reason, for the cost of those models meaning I'd like to diversify in how I build the Ad Mech.

yeah me too, still I think with allies you'll be able to do pretty well.

I know the army almost screams for an IK to run with it

drbored wrote:
"The Walkers are so expensive!"
"The walkers are too expensive!"
"The walkers are so expensive!"

They are too expensive. You're familiar with the concept of 'value' right. When people see stupidly expensive walkers, and then see you need large units of them as they cost no points, that's bad value. Same problem with the Ork Big Gunz.

drbored wrote:
Y'know what else costs 50 bucks? Call of Duty. Y'know what you'll probably spend less time playing with? Call of Duty.

Y'know what a false equivalency is? Call of Duty.

drbored wrote:
Don't like it? Nobody is forcing you to buy it.

No one has said anything like that Mr. Scarecrow. Calm down.

drbored wrote:
Wait a couple weeks or months and after everyone realizes that they can't be competitive or something, you'll find plenty of them on E-bay for less.

Really not the point people are making...

BrianDavion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 ekim wrote:
Isn't the tau broadside $50 per kit? XV88s appear to be much smaller than this new walker... The price seems to be right to me. By "right" I mean what I would expect from GW.

It's at least in the same pricing pattern as other compariblely sized kits. The problem really comes down to the number you can take in a unit and their low points cost.

I mean they're well balanced on the table, and you really do want to run units of 3-6 depending on the set up (6 of the Autocannon Ironstriders stand a good chance of erasing units or light/medium vehicles off the table for example), but when that's paired up with that price I fully understand why people would balk.

I, for one, am hoping we have some alternate options for HS and FA just so we aren't stuck with those to fill those slots. If for no other reason, for the cost of those models meaning I'd like to diversify in how I build the Ad Mech.

yeah me too, still I think with allies you'll be able to do pretty well.

I know the army almost screams for an IK to run with it

Most definitely. Even if it's not for the actual power of the Knights, the theme cries for one to be in your army.

Someday I'll look at the Volkite one as a fun addition, but for now I'll just go with one.

Though I am seriously consider stealing the idea of a strong, glossy paint job for the armor. It just fits how my brain sees the Ad Mech and the lavish amounts of attention they pour on their machines.

You know, something like this:

The person who did this model used Tamiya Clear Gloss Red over a Silver basecoat and I gotta say I really like it.

Though that means investing some more in paints for airbrushing with.

I've seen that image before, doent it usually have 'Haterz gonna hate' infront of it as is side skips by?

So has there been a post on what the Doctrina Imperatives special rule is yet?

 notprop wrote:
I've seen that image before, doent it usually have 'Haterz gonna hate' infront of it as is side skips by?

I hadn't seen that paired with a Knight before. O.o


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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So has there been a post on what the Doctrina Imperatives special rule is yet?

Not yet. It's not in this WD and Natfka's leak earlier this year never said what it was.

Hmm, how are you supposed to use the units without know what that rule is?