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2015/04/01 18:18:37
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: You know... I am beginning to see the "whole picture" here, and I am thinking that Skitarii are just over-flowing with long ranged weapons, and "Relentless" because they really are meant to foot-slot.
What if the Onagar's "Force Field" really is some flavor of "Kustom Force Field" extending a 3++ to everything within 12"?
It would KIND of be fluffy (people protect machines, and NOT vice-versa), and would explain what other rules were going for. Likewise it explains why all that insane and cheap Haywire, isn't OP.
It really does make a lot of sense, doesn't it?
It would also explain the prevalence of FNP throughout the army to weather some armies which can have lots of low S, high volume shooting. And why the army is a 4+ to start with.
2015/04/01 18:51:44
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
alleus wrote: Atleast as a Guard player I can give them Taurox Primes (if they are Battle Brothers with Guard, but they should be, right?).
They really should get their own transports though. So much potential for cool vehicles! I would personally love to se a walker transport with the Dunestrider rule, would be awesome!
could you really do that ? the taurox is not listed in the FA section, only in dedicated transport...
2015/04/01 18:52:14
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
where do you get the rules for skitarii, i looked on the gw webpage but i cant find a codex.
p.s. have they made a separate codex for militum tempus?
SPACE MARINES imerial guard skitarii
space marines: an army where if morale is down you look at your commander for inspiration and you valiantly fight on and kill m any in the name of the emperor
imperial guard: if morale gets low your commander shoots one of your comrades and expects that to encourage you
2015/04/01 18:56:18
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
ok thanks, are they official?
i wonder when they will release a codex, they will probably need some more unit but they did make a codex for ik and they only really have one unit type
SPACE MARINES imerial guard skitarii
space marines: an army where if morale is down you look at your commander for inspiration and you valiantly fight on and kill m any in the name of the emperor
imperial guard: if morale gets low your commander shoots one of your comrades and expects that to encourage you
2015/04/01 19:01:44
Subject: Re:Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
DefiantLambdas wrote: Wracks in plastic were a whole new kit fitting with the dual kit nature of modern releases. So he was Profiled and Credited with that work.
But the Wracks weren't a dual kit?
Well I was counting the "Wrack Pilots" for 2/3 other vehicles as being somewhat Dual Kit.
But more akin to the "crew" on Raiders and the visible Wyches available for the Venom.
2015/04/01 19:04:18
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
Those rules are the official rules from White Dwarf. They are probably still posted somewhere here in this thread somewhere - you guys are behind the times. We've seen all the rules now for the Rangers/Vanguard and the two Walkers Ironstrider/Dragoon and all the weapon rules.
ah, i just found the rules, i bought white dwarf but haven't read it for several weeks. thanks guys
SPACE MARINES imerial guard skitarii
space marines: an army where if morale is down you look at your commander for inspiration and you valiantly fight on and kill m any in the name of the emperor
imperial guard: if morale gets low your commander shoots one of your comrades and expects that to encourage you
2015/04/01 21:49:17
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
rollawaythestone wrote: Those rules are the official rules from White Dwarf. They are probably still posted somewhere here in this thread somewhere - you guys are behind the times. We've seen all the rules now for the Rangers/Vanguard and the two Walkers Ironstrider/Dragoon and the weapons rules for the units published in WD to date
fixed that for you. it's possiable we've not seen ALL the weapons rules.
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2015/04/01 22:36:23
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
rollawaythestone wrote: Those rules are the official rules from White Dwarf. They are probably still posted somewhere here in this thread somewhere - you guys are behind the times. We've seen all the rules now for the Rangers/Vanguard and the two Walkers Ironstrider/Dragoon and the weapons rules for the units published in WD to date
fixed that for you. it's possiable we've not seen ALL the weapons rules.
Yeah we don't actually know what the two dunecrawlers do yet, only some of their weapon names.
2015/04/01 22:46:04
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
rollawaythestone wrote: Those rules are the official rules from White Dwarf. They are probably still posted somewhere here in this thread somewhere - you guys are behind the times. We've seen all the rules now for the Rangers/Vanguard and the two Walkers Ironstrider/Dragoon and the weapons rules for the units published in WD to date
fixed that for you. it's possiable we've not seen ALL the weapons rules.
Yeah we don't actually know what the two dunecrawlers do yet, only some of their weapon names.
and we've not seen stats for their weapons eaither. I imagine the name Icarus Array means we'll be able to gear it out for AA
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2015/04/01 22:55:08
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
rollawaythestone wrote: Those rules are the official rules from White Dwarf. They are probably still posted somewhere here in this thread somewhere - you guys are behind the times. We've seen all the rules now for the Rangers/Vanguard and the two Walkers Ironstrider/Dragoon and the weapons rules for the units published in WD to date
fixed that for you. it's possiable we've not seen ALL the weapons rules.
Yeah we don't actually know what the two dunecrawlers do yet, only some of their weapon names.
Do we actually know there are two dunecrawlers? I've seen nothing to suggest it's a dual kit beyond assumptions from people that think every single kit GW releases these days MUST be a dual kit.
"Skin is the prison of the blessed and the stronghold of the heretic."
2015/04/01 22:56:15
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
rollawaythestone wrote: Those rules are the official rules from White Dwarf. They are probably still posted somewhere here in this thread somewhere - you guys are behind the times. We've seen all the rules now for the Rangers/Vanguard and the two Walkers Ironstrider/Dragoon and the weapons rules for the units published in WD to date
fixed that for you. it's possiable we've not seen ALL the weapons rules.
Yeah we don't actually know what the two dunecrawlers do yet, only some of their weapon names.
Do we actually know there are two dunecrawlers? I've seen nothing to suggest it's a dual kit beyond assumptions from people that think every single kit GW releases these days MUST be a dual kit.
To be fair...
1. Its a hell of a precedent. All of their kits really have been dual-kits for a LONG time now.
2. The same rumors that all by nailed this entire release months and months ago, correctly called a Spider-Tank, and said it would make two builds... a Heavy Support, and a transport. If essentially everything else was true from that batch of rumors, it would suggest this is too.
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2015/04/01 23:09:56
Subject: Re:Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
BlaxicanX wrote: A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
2015/04/01 23:18:23
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
rollawaythestone wrote: Those rules are the official rules from White Dwarf. They are probably still posted somewhere here in this thread somewhere - you guys are behind the times. We've seen all the rules now for the Rangers/Vanguard and the two Walkers Ironstrider/Dragoon and the weapons rules for the units published in WD to date
fixed that for you. it's possiable we've not seen ALL the weapons rules.
Yeah we don't actually know what the two dunecrawlers do yet, only some of their weapon names.
Do we actually know there are two dunecrawlers? I've seen nothing to suggest it's a dual kit beyond assumptions from people that think every single kit GW releases these days MUST be a dual kit.
To be fair...
1. Its a hell of a precedent. All of their kits really have been dual-kits for a LONG time now.
2. The same rumors that all by nailed this entire release months and months ago, correctly called a Spider-Tank, and said it would make two builds... a Heavy Support, and a transport. If essentially everything else was true from that batch of rumors, it would suggest this is too.
I really hope this is the case, but I've kept up on these rumours and don't remember reading that anywhere directly, only as hearsay from other people who said they saw it somewhere. Anyone have a source on the Dunecrawler being a dual-kit?
"Skin is the prison of the blessed and the stronghold of the heretic."
2015/04/01 23:33:17
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
The Hunter/Stalker is a 'dual-kit' but were really only talking about a weapons change.
The pic above shows that we will have at least two distinct weapon options, which has certainly been enough to give us two seperate codex entries in the past.
2015/04/01 23:36:38
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
plastictrees wrote: The Hunter/Stalker is a 'dual-kit' but were really only talking about a weapons change.
The pic above shows that we will have at least two distinct weapon options, which has certainly been enough to give us two seperate codex entries in the past.
But the rumour text I've seen is this one:
Here is a look at your Onager Dunecrawler.
Comes with an Eradication Beamer, Broad Spectrum Data-Tether, Enamatus Force Field, and searchlight. One special rule called Doctrina Imperatives.
Its a crawler, and therefore is never slowed by difficult terrain and auto passes dangerous terrain tests. It can't run.
Gun options-
Replace the Eradication Beamer with
-Twin linked heavy phosphor blaster
-Neutron Laser and Cognis Heavy Stubber
-Icarus Array
So it's just one entry with four gun options.
If it ALSO has a dual-build to make a transport on top of that, I'll be elated, but I haven't seen a shred of direct mention of this from any of the sources that have been correct about the other things so far.
"Skin is the prison of the blessed and the stronghold of the heretic."
2015/04/01 23:41:08
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
Well, as I said earlier... a LOT of rules are pointing toward Skitarii intentionally being an army of footsloggers. I just noticed, an additional one in the Broad Spectrum Data-Tether which this and the light-Walkers feature, which again buff anyone's LD +1 for anyone under the effect of a Doctrina.
Like the, presumably "Force Field" I think the implication may indeed be they are expected to hoof it.
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2015/04/01 23:47:51
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
There is also the fact that several of them get the same amount of speed (if they run) asy other unit would if they just hopped out of a transport. +3 inches to movement, +3 inches to run or assault= move +run/assault+6 inches
plastictrees wrote: The Hunter/Stalker is a 'dual-kit' but were really only talking about a weapons change.
The pic above shows that we will have at least two distinct weapon options, which has certainly been enough to give us two seperate codex entries in the past.
But the rumour text I've seen is this one:
Here is a look at your Onager Dunecrawler.
Comes with an Eradication Beamer, Broad Spectrum Data-Tether, Enamatus Force Field, and searchlight. One special rule called Doctrina Imperatives.
Its a crawler, and therefore is never slowed by difficult terrain and auto passes dangerous terrain tests. It can't run.
Gun options-
Replace the Eradication Beamer with
-Twin linked heavy phosphor blaster
-Neutron Laser and Cognis Heavy Stubber
-Icarus Array
So it's just one entry with four gun options.
If it ALSO has a dual-build to make a transport on top of that, I'll be elated, but I haven't seen a shred of direct mention of this from any of the sources that have been correct about the other things so far.
Sure. My point was that even if it is a 'dual kit' that doesn't mean that we are getting a transport version, or anything more than some different gun load outs.
2015/04/02 00:27:58
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
plastictrees wrote: The Hunter/Stalker is a 'dual-kit' but were really only talking about a weapons change.
The pic above shows that we will have at least two distinct weapon options, which has certainly been enough to give us two seperate codex entries in the past.
But the rumour text I've seen is this one:
Here is a look at your Onager Dunecrawler.
Comes with an Eradication Beamer, Broad Spectrum Data-Tether, Enamatus Force Field, and searchlight. One special rule called Doctrina Imperatives.
Its a crawler, and therefore is never slowed by difficult terrain and auto passes dangerous terrain tests. It can't run.
Gun options-
Replace the Eradication Beamer with
-Twin linked heavy phosphor blaster
-Neutron Laser and Cognis Heavy Stubber
-Icarus Array
So it's just one entry with four gun options.
If it ALSO has a dual-build to make a transport on top of that, I'll be elated, but I haven't seen a shred of direct mention of this from any of the sources that have been correct about the other things so far.
Sure. My point was that even if it is a 'dual kit' that doesn't mean that we are getting a transport version, or anything more than some different gun load outs.
Yeah, I do remember one set of rumors saying they would get a transport, but I can't remember if that was in reference to a different kit that could be coming with the full Admech release, or if it's the Onager...
I do know the Onager is supposed to have multiple weapon options, so we'll see how those pan out.
With no flier kit, they'll need some dedicated AA, though the Balistarius can do that fairly well.
Super Newb wrote: This is probably a stupid question but do we know what the Doctrine does?
(It's not in the first post that has most of the leaked pics and I've only skimmed through about 20 of the 90 pages of this thread!)
Don't know yet, but apparently they give buffs/weaknesses across your army.
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2015/04/02 01:50:57
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
Looking at the doctrina we've seen, Doctrina Imperatives might make this army genuinely interesting and possibly pretty difficult to play. Use that +3 BS -2 WS one? Your rangers are going to be deadly but your sicarians will be near useless. This list will probably require some really careful unit positioning in order for it to meet it's potential.
2015/04/02 01:51:54
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
Super Newb wrote: This is probably a stupid question but do we know what the Doctrine does?
(It's not in the first post that has most of the leaked pics and I've only skimmed through about 20 of the 90 pages of this thread!)
The two we've seen so far give your entire army +3 BS and -2 WS til your next turn, or same thing reversed.
There will supposedly be multiple disciplines of Imperatives. Not sure if the Skitarii have access to more than one or if we'll only see the rest of them in the full AdMech codex.
"Skin is the prison of the blessed and the stronghold of the heretic."
2015/04/02 02:10:46
Subject: Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k p77/78 new pics
Super Newb wrote: This is probably a stupid question but do we know what the Doctrine does?
(It's not in the first post that has most of the leaked pics and I've only skimmed through about 20 of the 90 pages of this thread!)
The two we've seen so far give your entire army +3 BS and -2 WS til your next turn, or same thing reversed.
There will supposedly be multiple disciplines of Imperatives. Not sure if the Skitarii have access to more than one or if we'll only see the rest of them in the full AdMech codex.
I hope these aren't randomly selected like psychic powers. It would be nice to have access to all of one discipline. Even if it means something like an imperative can only be used once per game...
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