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Beaviz81 wrote: 1000 lives to one Space Marines. And that's rough estimate. Of course that's flawed. I seriously hope Robute Guilliman's viewpoint of the situation was not how Empy saw the whole thing. It just a suggestion. But comeon, 1000 human lives to pay for one Space Marine in an ideal universe? That doesn't sound ideal to me.
There are quadrillions of humans in the Imperium. Their lives are worth less then the dirt they're standing on. The Imperium could lose ten billion people in a single second and they wouldn't even notice. It wouldn't even be on the level of a speedbump. Trading a thousand people for one space marine is practically free for the Imperium, because the human population is so large it bounces back instantly.
This basically is it. Before, the Gene-seed was pure, and thus had less rejections. Now, the Gene-seed is impure = more rejections. The only Chapter I can think of that would actually care about rejection levels that high are the Space Wolves (who only have something like 300k people on their entire planet)
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Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
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300,000 would be pretty low, even for a death world like Fenris.
There are probably a couple million people living there. They're spread out across its surface so there is still plenty of space for a few million.
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Grey Templar wrote: 300,000 would be pretty low, even for a death world like Fenris.
There are probably a couple million people living there. They're spread out across its surface so there is still plenty of space for a few million.
It says somewhere in the Space Wolves Codex that they have something like 325k people on it. Too tired right now to go combing through it to find the exact quote.
To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
Grey Templar wrote: 300,000 would be pretty low, even for a death world like Fenris.
There are probably a couple million people living there. They're spread out across its surface so there is still plenty of space for a few million.
It says somewhere in the Space Wolves Codex that they have something like 325k people on it. Too tired right now to go combing through it to find the exact quote.
Well that would certainly explain the low IQ of some Space Wolves. Inbreeding. Inbreeding galore!
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Grey Templar wrote: 300,000 would be pretty low, even for a death world like Fenris.
There are probably a couple million people living there. They're spread out across its surface so there is still plenty of space for a few million.
It says somewhere in the Space Wolves Codex that they have something like 325k people on it. Too tired right now to go combing through it to find the exact quote.
Interesting, for I cannot find the number referenced anywhere; please do get well soon, I can use the info
Beaviz81 wrote: 1000 lives to one Space Marines. And that's rough estimate. Of course that's flawed. I seriously hope Robute Guilliman's viewpoint of the situation was not how Empy saw the whole thing. It just a suggestion. But comeon, 1000 human lives to pay for one Space Marine in an ideal universe? That doesn't sound ideal to me.
There are quadrillions of humans in the Imperium. Their lives are worth less then the dirt they're standing on. The Imperium could lose ten billion people in a single second and they wouldn't even notice. It wouldn't even be on the level of a speedbump. Trading a thousand people for one space marine is practically free for the Imperium, because the human population is so large it bounces back instantly.
And because there are many people then we are supposed to be happy about the rate of success. The 90% success-rate on the other hand is a more valid point on the other hand, but I would still want the raw numbers as I wonder if that is past the Neophyte-stage.
Beaviz81 wrote: 1000 lives to one Space Marines. And that's rough estimate. Of course that's flawed. I seriously hope Robute Guilliman's viewpoint of the situation was not how Empy saw the whole thing. It just a suggestion. But comeon, 1000 human lives to pay for one Space Marine in an ideal universe? That doesn't sound ideal to me.
There are quadrillions of humans in the Imperium. Their lives are worth less then the dirt they're standing on. The Imperium could lose ten billion people in a single second and they wouldn't even notice. It wouldn't even be on the level of a speedbump. Trading a thousand people for one space marine is practically free for the Imperium, because the human population is so large it bounces back instantly.
This basically is it. Before, the Gene-seed was pure, and thus had less rejections. Now, the Gene-seed is impure = more rejections. The only Chapter I can think of that would actually care about rejection levels that high are the Space Wolves (who only have something like 300k people on their entire planet)
That is damn callous, but I can see it happening even with the Space Wolves. They have the whole population of a planet to feast on and takes dying warriors to feast with them in their Valhalla. And I can see a case for the more impure geneseed, but still it was like this always, and think of the Custodians. There it likely is even more rejections.
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If you have nothing nice to say then say frakking nothing.
keep in mind also, failure is not always lethal, chapter serfs come from somewhere. my bet'd be MOST people get weeded out in non-lethal trials, just we need not to hear about that as it's not very exciting to read "Bob the space Marine aspirant was sweating, he was about to take a verbal math test, he;d be asked the questions to some very simple math questions to see how fast he could respond to test his thinking speed! if he didn't answer fast eneugh he'd be deemed unfit to be an astartes!"
legit test, wouldn't suprise me if it existed, as you wanna test how fast your guys can think, but it's pretty dull stuff
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Indeed. Well my take is still that nine out ten die on the operating-table, but that number can be lower as you told me about Bob the space marine-aspirant.
If you have nothing nice to say then say frakking nothing.
The Red Scorpions Chapter selects new Marines from birth, or from when they are babies. The primitives on the planet they have put babies into temples overnight on the full moon as a test, they believe the gods watch them from the moon. The Red Scorpions Apothacaries examine them during this time for genetic purity. The Red Scorpions have loads of Apothacaries and are fanatics about pure gene seed and purity in general. Those babies that pass are taken and raised as Marines. The parents think the gods took them and believe it's a great honour for their baby to live with the gods. Because they are taken as babies the Marines have no cultural baggage and the only life they know is the Chapter. It's never gone into detail how the kids are raised however, who teaches them to talk, read and write etc.
Details about the Red Scorpions in the link below.
Beaviz81 wrote: Except it is to the God-Emperor. They must actually be one of few chapters that believe Empy is a God.
not nesscarily. just because they employ a temple to the god emperor doesn't mean they nesscarily share it's belives. it's more likely they've carefully tweeked the local religon instead to service their NEEDS. such as they might have the local variation of the religon teach "spinnich is a holy vegetable and should be eaten at all meals" not cause they like it but cause they find it leads to healthy pure genes, just for example
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Beaviz81 wrote: Except it is to the God-Emperor. They must actually be one of few chapters that believe Empy is a God.
not nesscarily. just because they employ a temple to the god emperor doesn't mean they nesscarily share it's belives. it's more likely they've carefully tweeked the local religon instead to service their NEEDS. such as they might have the local variation of the religon teach "spinnich is a holy vegetable and should be eaten at all meals" not cause they like it but cause they find it leads to healthy pure genes, just for example
Lol, I prefer "bacon is a holy meat and shod be eaten at all meals.
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Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
