Adeptus Astartes vs. MJOLNIR Spartan vs. StarCraft Marine

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**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Well, that was short-lived.

**Redcruisair**

Asherian Command wrote:
Redcruisair wrote:
Ash, do you also admit to be wrong about space marines being immune to the radiation of Calth?

You seem to be in an honest mood right now so… perhaps we can finally have you concede that point.

I did already. There are many sources that say Calth's surface is unlivable but the space marines armor in later marks can deal with it. Different marks have different versions of protection against different threats, the mark 3 and mark 1 being notorious for being inadequate protection in space.. It really matters on which legion it is. The Deathguard more than likely being more immune.

Do have source for this? I’m not questioning you here. I’m merely interested in reading that peace of info myself.

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Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Well, that was short-lived.

Do you mean Ash’s honesty? Yeah I didn’t expect him to do a 360 and stay that way but… We’ll take what we can get I guess.

**dusara217**

Psienesis wrote:
But only one heart and the first set of lungs. Also, not fearless.

Are you kidding me? Spartan 2s and 3s both had enough badass training and fearlessness beaten into them that they could have taken on am entire Chapter by themselves without breaking. They would still [MOD EDIT - Please find a different way to express that sentiment - thanks! Alpharius], but that's beside the point.

I hope you guys realize that veteran Spartan 2s would probably win in a battle with an equal number of Space Marines. While said Spartan 2s have inferior equipment in almost every way they have two advantages:
1.) They are literally the most intelligent people in the ENTIRE UNSC and are the finest military minds the UNSC has to offer, while Astartes are generally pretty simple-minded.
2.) The Power Armor that the Spartan 2s employ boost their strength more than the Astartes' (this is evidenced by the fact that only Spartans can use Mjolnir armor without being crushed while ordinary humans can use MK whatever Power Armour). And, MJOLNIR armor is composed of titanium; the hardest metal on Earth, or at least one of them. It is also equipped with energy shields, THAT QUICKLY RECHARGE WHEN DEPLETED.
3.) Spartans study Martial Arts (from Kung Fu to Krav Maga) their entire lives, and thus would have a serious countermeasure to their lack of CC weapons. On top of that, Their would be around two squads of Astartes in said Company that would just got shot out of the air when they jumped.
Another advantage that Spartans have over Astartes is that many of them use Covenant weaponry, which is far more advanced than Imperial weaponry.

**Asherian Command**

Redcruisair wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
Redcruisair wrote:
Ash, do you also admit to be wrong about space marines being immune to the radiation of Calth?

You seem to be in an honest mood right now so… perhaps we can finally have you concede that point.

I did already. There are many sources that say Calth's surface is unlivable but the space marines armor in later marks can deal with it. Different marks have different versions of protection against different threats, the mark 3 and mark 1 being notorious for being inadequate protection in space.. It really matters on which legion it is. The Deathguard more than likely being more immune.

Do have source for this? I’m not questioning you here. I’m merely interested in reading that peace of info myself.

Power Armor:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Power_Armour

Mark 1

Mark I plate was developed by the techno-barbarian factions that dominated Terra prior to the Emperor's ascendancy. When the Emperor began his conquest of Earth, the "Thunder Warriors", the proto-Space Marines which formed part of his retinue, were armoured in the same way as the soldiers of the other warlords. A thunderbolt and lightning symbol was displayed on the breastplate of warriors loyal to the Emperor - this was the personal badge of the Emperor in those days, predating the Imperial Aquila which only became the symbol of the Imperium much later. The emblem gives the suit its common name – "Thunder Armour."[1]
Thunder Armour was not an enclosing suit and offered no life support functions, being unnecessary while the fighting was confined to Terra and the similar environments of Luna and Mars. This early armour was produced on a completely local basis and as such individual suits varied heavily and their exact designs were often a matter of personal taste.[1]
The main part of the armour is the massive powered torso which encloses the chest and arms. Coiled energy cables beneath the armour plating transmit power from the power pack on the back to the arms, greatly increasing physical strength by a factor of between 3 and 4 times. Since fighting on Terra during this period was primarily close-quarters, the strength of a warrior's chest and arms was of paramount importance. The legs of this armour Mark are typically not power-armoured at all, but are enclosed in tough padded breeches. The best-equipped warriors sometimes wore armoured greaves and armoured boots, and such additional protection was common amongst the Thunder Warriors.[1]
As with all powered armour, the power supply is contained with a notably bulky back-mounted unit, most of which is taken up by cooling systems designed to prevent the entire armour design from overheating.[1]
Although it is very rarely used in the 41st Millennium, some suits of Thunder Armour are maintained for ceremonial purposes.[1]
This ancient style of armour is noticeably noisier than later Marks. [8]

Mark 2:

After the conquest of the main planets of the Sol system, the factories on Mars were set to work constructing a new type of armour for the Emperor's elite Space Marines. This armoured suit is commonly referred to as "Crusade Armour," since it was designed with the planned Great Crusade in mind, and its production led to the Thunder Armour being retroactively designated as the Mark I. It was the first fully enclosed power armour, with life-sustaining capabilities[1], making it suitable for combat on toxic alien planets and the depths of space.[8]
Crusade Armour is fully plated, and the legs are also power armoured. The plates are arranged into articulated hoops, for increased maneuverability. The chest coils, which were kept on the outside of the armour plating on Mark 1 armour for cooling purposes, have now been placed on the inside of the chest plates, so that they are better protected, thanks to more efficient cooling mechanisms. However, this design could not be copied over to the new powered leg armour, which resulted in exposed cabling on the backs of the lower legs. The backpack is roughly the same size as that on the Mark I armour, but is much more efficient, and also includes extra life support, air recycling and fluid recovery equipment, as well as automated medical devices that have remained a part of Space Marine armour ever since.[1]
The helmet is fitted with automatic sensory devices developed on Mars, which allow the wearer to see and hear as though not wearing a helmet,[1] and, since all information is transmitted to a computer in the helmet before being transmitted directly to the wearer's brain via neural link, it enhances sight and hearing while dampening blinding lights and deafening noises.[8] The wearer is also able to see in the infra-red and ultra-violet spectrums, images can be zoomed in and magnified while noises can be enhanced.[1] The helmet was fixed in a single position, but allowed the occupant to turn his head inside.[8]
Mark II armour is believed by many to still be the most efficient example of power armour design, although with the caveat that the overlapping hooped armour plates are difficult to repair. It can still be found in operational use - in extremely limited numbers - amongst several Space Marine Chapters.[1]

This model dates from the wars of the Great Crusade, waged close to the galactic core. Many of these worlds were the Squat Homeworlds, which were not pleased to find themselves the object of galactic conquest. The Squats' independent and stubborn nature, along with the conditions of the fighting, spurred the creation of this new armour type.[*] This armour was ideal when cover was minimal and combat was a matter of frontal assault.[1] The most visually brutal and imposing of all the widely produced armour marks, the Iron Armour was a heavy, modified Mark II design (itself the first mass-produced Power Armour of the Crusade era). The Iron Armour's structure has augmented frontal defence and incorporates additional ablative plates, and is intended foremost for use in boarding actions, tunnel assaults and void warfare, although it is considerably heavier and more power hungry than its contemporaries.[9] The new helmet design is a heavily armoured model with sloping plates designed to deflect shots to the left and right, and inspired the Mark IV and VI helmet designs.[1]
Mark III was never intended to replace the previous Mark but to act as an optional suit specialised for situations where heavier frontal protection would be advantageous, such as in the close confines of spacecraft and mining complexes.[8] Because of this, no Legion was ever fully equipped with the Mark III. While successful in the conditions it was designed for, the armour is too clumsy and uncomfortable for conventional fighting. It is sometimes worn by ceremonial guards due to its visual brutality, and can also still be found used in close-quarters situations by various Space Marine Chapters.[1]
It is commonly called the Iron Suit or Armorum Ferrum in recognition of its great strength.[1]

The older marks are techincally not as advanced. The Corvus being the more technological advanced by the point of the hersey, but very few marines during the crusade had access to them.

Death Guard bit:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Death_Guard

Because of Barbarus's toxic environment, the Death Guard took great pride in their resistance to poisons, disease, and mortality in general. This fascination led them to worship the Chaos God Nurgle and in return he infests their armour with pestilence and disease, and elevated Mortarion to a Daemon Prince.

That is probably common knowledge even in the books Death Guard are highly resistant to radiation and poisoning.

I hope you guys realize that veteran Spartan 2s would probably win in a battle with an equal number of Space Marines. While said Spartan 2s have inferior equipment in almost every way they have two advantages:
1.) They are literally the most intelligent people in the ENTIRE UNSC and are the finest military minds the UNSC has to offer, while Astartes are generally pretty simple-minded.
2.) The Power Armor that the Spartan 2s employ boost their strength more than the Astartes' (this is evidenced by the fact that only Spartans can use Mjolnir armor without being crushed while ordinary humans can use MK whatever Power Armour). And, MJOLNIR armor is composed of titanium; the hardest metal on Earth, or at least one of them. It is also equipped with energy shields, THAT QUICKLY RECHARGE WHEN DEPLETED.
3.) Spartans study Martial Arts (from Kung Fu to Krav Maga) their entire lives, and thus would have a serious countermeasure to their lack of CC weapons. On top of that, Their would be around two squads of Astartes in said Company that would just got shot out of the air when they jumped.
Another advantage that Spartans have over Astartes is that many of them use Covenant weaponry, which is far more advanced than Imperial weaponry.

1. Space Marines have different IQ levels that far exceed a human as Detailed in WHite Dwarf 300. Some Have IQ's reaching from 200-400. They are geniuses due to the fact that space marines undergo operation processes that also increase their brain capacity and overall they are basically a different being entirely from a human.
2. Space Marines armor increases their strength considerably. A single marine have been known to break solid masonry with their bare hands. Even without their armor they are considerably strong being able to rip off their opponents heads. (Which takes alot of strength to do)
3. That don't mean crap in melee. Space marines train for decades. In the lore space marines are extremely agile. Able to climb up buildings rather quickly. It is kind of insane. Space Marines are warriors without peer. Space Marines also have better technology, better training, and better weaponry to counter the spartans so called martial skill. WHich means little if your opponent is carrying around a chainsaw as a side arm.

Convenant weaponry advanced XD

Yes because those plasma rifles are so effective against spartans. Those rifles do nothing against tanks. In 40k Space Marines have melta weaponry that melts their targets into literal dust.

Space marines also have bolt pistols, power weapons, assualt troopers. And are far superior.

Their defenses are meant to allow them to dish out as much punishment as possible. A spartan can possibly take down one space marine if that marine is not wearing a helmet. Which is rare. In all of the lore most space marines wear their helmets.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Redcruisair wrote:
Do you mean Ash’s honesty?

Him not being obnoxious in general.

**Redcruisair**

Thank you for the quotes Ash.

I’ve read all of it and can confirm nothing of it tells us anything about how good the different armors are in terms of protection against radiation. Yes, I’m aware how Mark 2 talks about protection against toxicity, but it doesn’t clarify how well it deals with radiation.

StarCraft is bit clearer with their fluff, describing the old model of CMC armor as having basic NBC (nuclear/biological/chemical) shielding.

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Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Redcruisair wrote:
Do you mean Ash’s honesty?

Him not being obnoxious in general.

That’s harsh. No reason to have this thread locked over something so silly like this pls.

**Asherian Command**

Thank you for the quotes Ash.

I’ve read all of it and can confirm nothing of it tells us anything about how good the different armors are in terms of protection against radiation. Yes, I’m aware how Mark 2 talks about protection against toxicity, but it doesn’t clarify how well it deals with radiation.

StarCraft is bit clearer with their fluff, describing the old model of CMC armor as having basic NBC (nuclear/biological/chemical) shielding.

Which is what I have said before.

The starcraft lore is more clear, but we don't know if that makes it superior for all we know the writers might of had it in but just forgot to put it down. Or hell they assumed thats on there.

I highly doubt an advanced civilization which has already mastered nukes and thinks they are incredibly low powered compared to cyclone missiles hasn't put radiation protection on space marine armor considering they fight in space quite often. And hell they are called Space Marines.

Seeing as fighting in space is equalivent to being exposed to UV Radiation like none other. So the battle of calth would be like fighting on a moon with no atmosphere or on a space ship in the middle of nowhere. unless the Wordbearers dropped chemical warheads into Calth's Sun. Which I can't quite remember if they did. Its been a while since I read the battle of Calth from the collected visions.

Which has happened in the lore.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Asherian Command and science…

**A Town Called Malus**

Asherian Command wrote:
UV Radiation like none other.

Stars spit out a loss worse than UV. Try X-Rays and Gamma Rays.

**Redcruisair**

Asherian Command wrote:
I highly doubt an advanced civilization which has already mastered nukes and thinks they are incredibly low powered compared to cyclone missiles hasn't put radiation protection on space marine armor considering they fight in space quite often. And hell they are called Space Marines.

The problem here isn’t that they lack protection against radiation. They do. It’s just that the power armor’s radiation shielding and its air filtering don’t last long when being exposed to strong radiation for a certain amount of time. Power armor weren’t designed to last against prolonged exposure to radiation.

**Asherian Command**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Asherian Command and science…

What the fact that I literally said being in space will likely give you radiation posioning? Hmm where did I read that before.

Oh yeah earth science.

http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/humanresearch/elements/research_info_element-srpe.html

The Atmosphere protects us against the more harmful effects of radiation and the countless other types of radiations in space.

Please enlighten me how that is scientifically proven to be incorrect by you oh great scientist?

Stop acting like you know everything Hybrid your not helping this threads longevity.

Stars spit out a loss worse than UV. Try X-Ray and Gamma Rays.

True. I just had forgotten about those two! But if you are out on the surface even with equipment on without oxygen or atmosphere you are basically going to bake because of the all the radiation exposure you are probably going to receive.

The problem here isn’t that they lack protection against radiation. They do. It’s just that the power armor’s radiation shielding and its air filtering don’t last long when being exposed to strong radiation for a certain amount of time. Power armor weren’t designed to last against prolonged exposure to radiation.

True but I don't think Starcraft marines can be out in prolonged times as well. Seeing as a single rupture leads them dead. Those suits can't be out there forever. Hence why they have barracks and areas to ensure they don't run out of oxygen etc.

Seeing as they are still human and probably if they were on calth would die quicker than an Astartes would.

**A Town Called Malus**

Asherian Command wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Asherian Command and science…

What the fact that I literally said being in space will likely give you radiation posioning? Hmm where did I read that before.

Oh yeah earth science.

http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/humanresearch/elements/research_info_element-srpe.html

The Atmosphere protects us against the more harmful effects of radiation and the countless other types of radiations in space.

Please enlighten me how that is scientifically proven to be incorrect by you oh great scientist?

Interesting fact, smokers lungs are exposed to more ionising radiation every year than an astronaut who spends 6 months on the international space station is.

**Redcruisair**

Asherian Command wrote:
Seeing as a single rupture leads them dead.

That goes for any kind of shielding Ash… Whether it’s a protective suit or a sealed bunker, one leak and the shielding is gone.

**dusara217**

Space Marines with IQ's of 200-400? That's bs on a stick and you know it. IQs of that magnitude would completely cripple a Space Marine's utter devotion and blind faith in the Emperor and the IoM. And, with IQ's that high, it would be almost impossible for Space Marines to lose a battle, because they would always be ten steps ahead, and would almost never make an imperfect decision or calculation.

And what you have to take into account is the fact that Covenant weaponry had to be toned down in order to make a good game. In the Halo games, you can shoot a marine in the face ten times with a plasma pistol and he won't die. In the books, shoot him once in the face and he dies. You can't use game mechanics for this, you have to use the books for reference.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Asherian Command wrote:
What the fact that I literally said being in space will likely give you radiation posioning?

The fact you brought up UV radiation when talking about if marines would be protected from nuclear radiations.

Asherian Command wrote:
Please enlighten me how that is scientifically proven to be incorrect by you oh great scientist?

Let me ask you: do you believe that wearing one of the suits that the astronauts wear when they go out in space will protect you from the radiations in Fukushima? Do you?

Asherian Command wrote:
True. I just had forgotten about those two! But if you are out on the surface even with equipment on without oxygen or atmosphere you are basically going to bake because of the all the radiation exposure you are probably going to receive.

Depends completely on how much radiation you are going to receive. Which depends on how far you are from the source, and how much the source emits. Both of which you have no idea about.
Obviously people can spend time on the moon and in space, without any atmosphere protecting them, and be protected by their equipment. It does not take a PhD to notice that.

Asherian Command wrote:
True but I don't think Starcraft marines can be out in prolonged times as well. Seeing as a single rupture leads them dead. Those suits can't be out there forever. Hence why they have barracks and areas to ensure they don't run out of oxygen etc.

Ah ah ah. More baseless affirmations!

**Asherian Command**

Redcruisair wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
Seeing as a single rupture leads them dead.

That goes for any kind of shielding Ash… Whether it’s a protective suit or a sealed bunker, one leak and the shielding is gone.

True. I wonder if a marine's leg is exposed is their an innerworking that basically seals off that leg to the elements?

Space Marines with IQ's of 200-400? That's bs on a stick and you know it

Read white dwarf 300 thats what it says.

40k has very little reason.

The fact you brought up UV radiation when talking about if marines would be protected from nuclear radiations.

Ypu sure.

Ah ah ah. More baseless affirmations!

Look a kettle!

Depends completely on how much radiation you are going to receive. Which depends on how far you are from the source, and how much the source emits. Both of which you have no idea about.
Obviously people can spend time on the moon and in space, without any atmosphere protecting them, and be protected by their equipment. It does not take a PhD to notice that.

Which also depends on the materials used to protect the people inside the suit. Calling me stupid won't get you anywhere in this debate.

As if this is debate now.

As you have only gone the offensive whenever I post something.

And what you have to take into account is the fact that Covenant weaponry had to be toned down in order to make a good game. In the Halo games, you can shoot a marine in the face ten times with a plasma pistol and he won't die. In the books, shoot him once in the face and he dies. You can't use game mechanics for this, you have to use the books for reference.

Yes because Spartans have ready access to Convenant weaponry against Space Marine.

**Happyjew**

Hey guys, I know I'm not a mod or nothing, but if you really want this discussion to continue, you might want to refrain from personal attacks. Don't forget Dakka Rule #1.

**Martel732**

I'm shocked it's made it this far.

**Redcruisair**

I wonder if OP ever expected his thread to get as big (and passionate) as it did.

Say, where is the lad anyway? I haven’t seen a single post from him since page 3 or so.

**dusara217**

By the end of Halo 3, the new Sangheili-led Covenant was sharing technology with the UNSC. Of course now, 343 is currently raping the lore of Halo, so I'm not sure if that's still canon.

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Also, I think that the Guass Rifles the UNSC currently uses as sniper rifles will be more than capable of killing a space Marine at 1k+ meters

**Ashiraya**

Oh wait, we are considering Black Library canon for this? Noice.

That, unfortunately, means the SM win this with ease.

The Spartans are very good and the Starcraft Marines have their advantages as well, but then the Marines start running.

Starcraft Marines are human. Marines explicitly move faster than human eyes can follow. And for your information, what your eyes can't follow, your guns certainly can't either. FTR, the speed at which something must move before the eye literally can't follow it is something akin to 504,000 mph. Good luck hitting that target, lol.

Spartans are also faster than normal humans (IIRC?) which would give them a fighting chance in theory, but they would still simply be outmatched. 'Faster than a human' says little when your target moves at Mach 80. Even if we for some obscure reason assume the Starcraft Marine armour is tougher even than PA, they would suffer death by a thousand cuts before they could strike as much as a single blow back.

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For a list of interesting things to consider before you say the Space Marines are beaten, take a look at http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/40k-source-and-feats-thread.235176/#post-8614291

**Peregrine**

Ashiraya wrote:
'Faster than a human' says little when your target moves at Mach 80.

Fortunately for the non-GW marines we can just dismiss this as "the author is an idiot" because mach 80 space marines don't appear anywhere else and IIRC the description of the supposed mach 80 space marine isn't even consistent with that kind of speed.

**Redcruisair**

We already went over that part.

The popular thought here is that, Stimpacks put marines and marauders on (at least) equal footing with Eldar in terms of speed and reflexes.

**Ashiraya**

Peregrine wrote:
Ashiraya wrote:
'Faster than a human' says little when your target moves at Mach 80.

Fortunately for the non-GW marines we can just dismiss this as "the author is an idiot" because mach 80 space marines don't appear anywhere else and IIRC the description of the supposed mach 80 space marine isn't even consistent with that kind of speed.

Is it utterly stupid and something I am pulling up just to highlight the absurdity of the comparison? Certainly. But it's canon.

Just of the top of my head, page 264 of The First Heretic and page 93 of Void Stalker.

Or shall we pull up the Custodes who move at FTL speeds?

**Redcruisair**

Damn you ADB! A thoushand curses upon thee, you dirty rotten scoundrel.

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In all honesty though, the guy is all over the place with his writing. This is the same author that has a Nightlord captain surfing fighter jets doing a ship to ship battle in space.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Ashiraya wrote:
Is it utterly stupid and something I am pulling up just to highlight the absurdity of the comparison? Certainly. But it's canon.

But there is no cannon in 40k

.
More seriously, please do not pull out an Asherian and take that quote in the most literal stupid sense, just like his “plasma is a star” quote. Do you know what moves too fast for the human eye to follow? The cups in the hand of a good street gambler. Or really, many many close-up magician's trick. That is the kind of “too fast to follow” we are talking about, not the “mach speed” fast to follow.

**A Town Called Malus**

Peregrine wrote:
Ashiraya wrote:
'Faster than a human' says little when your target moves at Mach 80.

Fortunately for the non-GW marines we can just dismiss this as "the author is an idiot" because mach 80 space marines don't appear anywhere else and IIRC the description of the supposed mach 80 space marine isn't even consistent with that kind of speed.

Yeah, no sonic boom, no marine disintegrating from the forces exerted on the armour and body etc.

I mean lets assume that they're accelerating to their top speed in around the same time as Usain Bolt (after all, there's no point in moving faster than the eye can see if it takes you an hour to get to that speed). Bolt manages to get an acceleration out of the starting blocks of around 9.5m/s^2, allowing him to reach his top speed of 12.2m/s in around 1.28 seconds.

For a Space Marine to accelerate to 504,000mph (which is 225,300 m/s) in that amount of time they'd need to have an acceleration of 176,015m/s^2. Which is 17,942 times larger than acceleration due to Earth's gravity.

To put that into perspective, for a planet to have that kind of gravitational pull it would have to have the mass of ~18,000 Earths.

Now I have my doubts as to something needing to move that fast to be too fast for the human eye (it'll depend on the size of the object, for starters) so I'm gonna pick a much lower speed to see how that compares.

If we say 300mph, then we get an acceleration of 104m/s^2. This is 10 times faster than acceleration due to gravity on earth, so it's the equivalent of acceleration due to gravity on a planet 10 times the mass of earth.

That's still ridiculous, though.

**Martel732**

Last time I checked, Astartes move 6", just like guardsmen.

**A Town Called Malus**

Martel732 wrote:
Last time I checked, Astartes move 6", just like guardsmen.

Ah, but they move 6" much faster

**Asherian Command**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Ashiraya wrote:
Is it utterly stupid and something I am pulling up just to highlight the absurdity of the comparison? Certainly. But it's canon.

But there is no cannon in 40k .
More seriously, please do not pull out an Asherian and take that quote in the most literal stupid sense, just like his “plasma is a star” quote. Do you know what moves too fast for the human eye to follow? The cups in the hand of a good street gambler. Or really, many many close-up magician's trick. That is the kind of “too fast to follow” we are talking about, not the “mach speed” fast to follow.

I didn't say plasma is a star. I said it explodes into a miniaturized star. Your the one taking me out of context here mate.

That is taking my words butchering it into a jumbled mess.

Watch this:

Please do not pull out. Literal Asherian take that stupid. That is the kind of fast to follow.

See that is what I could do. But I have respect for everyone here. It may not come off that way. If I had no respect for you. I wouldn't be responding to you and the block button would be abused to no end.

Also there is no canon. Not cannon. Canon and Cannon are two different things. I think there are plenty of cannons in 40k.

Yeah, no sonic boom, no marine disintegrating from the forces exerted on the armour and body etc.

I mean lets assume that they're accelerating to their top speed in around the same time as Usain Bolt. Bolt manages to get an acceleration out of the starting blocks of around 9.5m/s^2, allowing him to reach his top speed of 12.2m/s in around 1.28 seconds.

For a Space Marine to accelerate to 504,000mph (which is 225,300 m/s) in that amount of time they'd need to have an acceleration of 176,015m/s^2. Which is 17,942 times larger than acceleration due to Earth's gravity.

To put that into perspective, for a planet to have that kind of gravitational pull it would have to have the mass of 17,916 Earths.

O.o

I think I have said that terran marines cannot compare to a superhuman.

How many times have I said that? I've lost count.

Martel732 wrote:
Last time I checked, Astartes move 6", just like guardsmen.

You are comparing it to the board rules. And we are not using the board or tabletop rules for obvious reasons.

In order to ensure that everything is balanced if they increeased the board movement for astartes the whole game would be completely unfair.