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 tastytaste wrote:

 Kimchi Gamer wrote:

 Nyghoma wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Seems unfair.

Welcome to Whack-a-mole.

I saw that coming a mile away. Restrict A, get plowed by B. Neuter B, get stream rolled by C and D. Ban C and D...."omg, am I still playing (insert competitive game here).

When someone tugs on the linen thread a little to hard, you start to frolic around in the Emperor's new clothes. I read Frontline's guidelines and arrived on the conclusion that the whole thing FUBAR. This is the problem when you have TOs making executive decisions on the rules when they have their own horse in the race. Maybe not in this tournament, but just speaking in general.

Anyhow, on that note Gratz to the winner.

I'm with you, man. Why can't I run my invisible Revenant Titan? It says in the rules I can make my Revenant Titan invisible and then can remove two units a turn without my opponent being able to do anything about it. Why are they restricting the way the rules say I can play 40k?

If I ran the event from my personal perspective I would have kept Invisibility as written because it isn't automatic and can be stopped in quite a few ways, but that is another thread discussion that has already happened.

I have a funny suspicion that once every 6th edition codex up to Tyranids gets redone we could have a game where Forge World and Super Heavies aren't needed, but as it is Wave Serpents seemed to ruin the game, so until then the Lynx and other units of its type are needed, but also Invisibility as RAW is needed to balance the D weapons.

Btw everyone should be reminded that a balanced Space Marine list won not the Lynx Eldar!

I am still testing the lynx to see if it's worth taking or not to be honest.

Must be a really tough decision.

Seems contrived to me that first insta gizz is nerfed and then somehow the Lynx gets the green light. Reecius said on his blog something to the effect "Oh we missed that one."

Missed more than one, the Lynx is not the only Superheavy with a Ranged D weapon on that list

What else is there ?

 Kimchi Gamer wrote:

 Nyghoma wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Seems unfair.

Welcome to Whack-a-mole.

I saw that coming a mile away. Restrict A, get plowed by B. Neuter B, get stream rolled by C and D. Ban C and D...."omg, am I still playing (insert competitive game here).

When someone tugs on the linen thread a little to hard, you start to frolic around in the Emperor's new clothes. I read Frontline's guidelines and arrived on the conclusion that the whole thing FUBAR. This is the problem when you have TOs making executive decisions on the rules when they have their own horse in the race. Maybe not in this tournament, but just speaking in general.

Anyhow, on that note Gratz to the winner.

I'm with you, man. Why can't I run my invisible Revenant Titan? It says in the rules I can make my Revenant Titan invisible and then can remove two units a turn without my opponent being able to do anything about it. Why are they restricting the way the rules say I can play 40k?

I know you're being sarcastic, but seriously, what's the problem with that in a 1850 game with all LoW options available? If you spent 1000 pts on two models (eg Titan, and Tigurius or Sevrin), you deserve to take down 2 units a turn. I have a plethora of unit combos that are half the price, that are just as effective.

Maybe super heavies/GC don't belong in games under 2k? Disallow them in these games altogether. Or maybe if you plan to play in a competitive tournament, do your research, plan your meta, go buy a LoW yourself if you don't want to feel sub par, or boxed out of access to d weapons. If invis is the new black, Go get a flashlight.

My issues is this. Don't make a half ass LoW restriction list. Come one, come all. Don't allow that titan, but then ban a TC because hellfire templates take a dump on your WS conceal spam. Your Laughing God choked up? Rapid tracking next on the chopping block?

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Must be a really tough decision.

Seems contrived to me that first insta gizz is nerfed and then somehow the Lynx gets the green light. Reecius said on his blog something to the effect "Oh we missed that one."

More difficult then you think, there is alot you have to consider, if gaining a lynx is better then what I loose.


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 Nyghoma wrote:

 Kimchi Gamer wrote:

 Nyghoma wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Seems unfair.

Welcome to Whack-a-mole.

I saw that coming a mile away. Restrict A, get plowed by B. Neuter B, get stream rolled by C and D. Ban C and D...."omg, am I still playing (insert competitive game here).

When someone tugs on the linen thread a little to hard, you start to frolic around in the Emperor's new clothes. I read Frontline's guidelines and arrived on the conclusion that the whole thing FUBAR. This is the problem when you have TOs making executive decisions on the rules when they have their own horse in the race. Maybe not in this tournament, but just speaking in general.

Anyhow, on that note Gratz to the winner.

I'm with you, man. Why can't I run my invisible Revenant Titan? It says in the rules I can make my Revenant Titan invisible and then can remove two units a turn without my opponent being able to do anything about it. Why are they restricting the way the rules say I can play 40k?

I know you're being sarcastic, but seriously, what's the problem with that in a 1850 game with all LoW options available? If you spent 1000 pts on two models (eg Titan, and Tigurius or Sevrin), you deserve to take down 2 units a turn. I have a plethora of unit combos that are half the price, that are just as effective.

Maybe super heavies/GC don't belong in games under 2k? Disallow them in these games altogether. Or maybe if you plan to play in a competitive tournament, do your research, plan your meta, go buy a LoW yourself if you don't want to feel sub par, or boxed out of access to d weapons. If invis is the new black, Go get a flashlight.

My issues is this. Don't make a half ass LoW restriction list. Come one, come all. Don't allow that titan, but then ban a TC because hellfire templates take a dump on your WS conceal spam. Your Laughing God choked up? Rapid tracking next on the chopping block?

If you allow everything, I promise you alot less people would have signed up. Im still not sure if low is good for the game or not, but at least with the majority on this list, they can be delt with in a conventional way.

Question on the Lynx flying off the board.

So when it comes back - it would have to come in as a flyer again as only a flyer can go into ongoing reserves. So basicaly it would waste another turn not shooting its D all over the place etc.

Am I thinking this right? Don't have the book in front of me - but like a Flying MC - it comes on the table flying again - so I force you to have 2 turns of not shooting - which sounds fine in my book for it. Just a thought on why flying off in ongoing reserves might not be worth it etc.

 GoatboyBBMA wrote:
Question on the Lynx flying off the board.

So when it comes back - it would have to come in as a flyer again as only a flyer can go into ongoing reserves. So basicaly it would waste another turn not shooting its D all over the place etc.

Am I thinking this right? Don't have the book in front of me - but like a Flying MC - it comes on the table flying again - so I force you to have 2 turns of not shooting - which sounds fine in my book for it. Just a thought on why flying off in ongoing reserves might not be worth it etc.

I believe you are correct. I have already bumped into one guy (at the club) that insists it can choose to come back in as a skimmer, but he's in the absolute minority. I say 'absolute' because he's the only one.

The flying off the board/back on is purely defensive--if it gets down to its last hull point or something. If I owned one (I don't-yet), I'd even consider doing that so I could get 2 turns to work on my opponent's anti-tank units, so when my Lynx lands again it would reign supreme. Muwahahaha, etc.

 GoatboyBBMA wrote:
Question on the Lynx flying off the board.

So when it comes back - it would have to come in as a flyer again as only a flyer can go into ongoing reserves. So basicaly it would waste another turn not shooting its D all over the place etc.

Am I thinking this right? Don't have the book in front of me - but like a Flying MC - it comes on the table flying again - so I force you to have 2 turns of not shooting - which sounds fine in my book for it. Just a thought on why flying off in ongoing reserves might not be worth it etc.

Honestly, I'm not sure. It is NOT a flyer (only flyers have this requirement). It only moves as a flyer for 1 turn. Next turn, it goes back to being a normal skimmer.

This needs to be FAQ'd by the ITC FAQ's.

Stompa with Gaze of Mork for one is D3 D shots at what I think is 60" range... craptastic ballistic skill but still doable... that's just off the top of my head... I know there is more.

Even brass scorpion can reach the other side and stomp multiple times on turn one, if their opponent was not paying attention. (sure i'm reaching a little here as it's not a given...)



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There is also no rule stipulation that says the Lynx must come on as a Flyer (i'm not sure there is one for the MC to stay zooming either, they just go into ongoing reserves.. I thought units got to choose how they come on from ongoing reserves..)

I'm actually rather curious about the Vanilla Marine list that won. What CT? Was it Drop Pods? Did it use allies and which ones? Etc.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
What else is there ?

Necron Gauss Pylon
Stompa (Gaze of Mork)
Eldar Cobra
Eldar Scorpion

and that is off the top of my head, there might be others

Three out of five are eldar... Great !

nobody wrote:
I'm actually rather curious about the Vanilla Marine list that won. What CT? Was it Drop Pods? Did it use allies and which ones? Etc.

The list was the following:

Salamanders chapter tactics

Libby on bike (ML2)
Command squad with 2 storm shields and apoc on bike, 2 grav guns
Master of the Forge on Bike (warlord)

2 Tac units with Melta, Multi Melta, and I think combi melta in drop pods
1 unit of sterngaurd in drop pod, (combi melta in there too)
2 units of scouts on speeders
2 sicarian tanks with cannon sponsons
1 Fire Raptor Gunship

 z3n1st wrote:

nobody wrote:
I'm actually rather curious about the Vanilla Marine list that won. What CT? Was it Drop Pods? Did it use allies and which ones? Etc.

The list was the following:

Salamanders chapter tactics

Libby on bike (ML2)
Command squad with 2 storm shields and apoc on bike, 2 grav guns
Master of the Forge on Bike (warlord)

2 Tac units with Melta, Multi Melta, and I think combi melta in drop pods
1 unit of sterngaurd in drop pod, (combi melta in there too)
2 units of scouts on speeders
2 sicarian tanks with cannon sponsons
1 Fire Raptor Gunship

Double Sicarian? Interesting. Thank you!

Yeah LoWs are too controversial for standard tournaments. I would honestly ban them all, including knights, except for the character LoW in codexes. But allow armies without a character LoW to have an extra HQ slot of their choice for one of their detachments to level the playing field. Its probably just simpler that way.

I like the Sally list - very TAC.

Jesus Lynx with knights is my 2 man meta. This is baby stuff. Try scorpion + 2 knights! Thats what ive been playing against.


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Hah i have a Mexican flag!!!!!

Also heres my list that i was gonna hit the scorpion plus 2 knights with....

Salamanders
Vulk
2x Servitors
3x Drop 5 man (MG, CM)
3x Stormtalon (TLLC)
3x Storm Raven (TLLC TLMM)

Cool to see im keeping up with the meta.

 GoatboyBBMA wrote:
Question on the Lynx flying off the board.

So when it comes back - it would have to come in as a flyer again as only a flyer can go into ongoing reserves. So basicaly it would waste another turn not shooting its D all over the place etc.

Am I thinking this right? Don't have the book in front of me - but like a Flying MC - it comes on the table flying again - so I force you to have 2 turns of not shooting - which sounds fine in my book for it. Just a thought on why flying off in ongoing reserves might not be worth it etc.

I'd actually say it can come back as a skimmer. It's not a flier, but also, fliers are not the only way to go into ongoing reserve.

Actually no - ongoing reserves can only be done by Flyers - not skimmers. You can't fly off with your wave serpents etc and then they come back right?

The only way you can is via deep strike - but again this would have to be FAQ'd or ruled etc. It is just easier it flies on as a flyer etc. That makes the most sense as it doubles back etc. Coming on as a skimmer is just giving you too much of an advantage already on a kind of bs unit.

But blah man - if your fun is just making it no fun for other people - then so be it.

I would think it would be like a flying monstrous creature or a flyer with two modes. When they come on from ongoing reserves they have to come back in either swoop or zoom mode. A flyer with two modes can not come back in in hover mode.

The heart of the issue is this: The owning player gets to choose whether or not the Lynx is a flyer at the beginning of each of his turns. If he chooses to make it a flyer, it gains the Flyer special rules (including the ability to leave the table and go into ongoing reserves).

Normally, a flyer (or flying monstrous creature) must return to the table the same way it left (it can't be in hover/glide mode). However, the owning player could, the way the rule is written, choose NOT to be a flyer. It's definitely in ongoing reserves, and it definitely got there by flying, but it is now a skimmer so....

So it can't come back on....as a flyer that left must come back in zoom mode

So after testing, I actually dropped the lynx. It's a lot of points and can be a huge pain to kill, but honestly, it's a lot of points to base your battle plan on maybe ding something. Also it really doesn't fix any potential difficult matchups.

2 knight errants
lynx
3 serps
3x5 DAs
Farseer
22 models .... and....
Done.

@Krootman - could you measure the length of the Lynx from wing tip to wing tip? I am curious about the size.

40k-noob wrote:
@Krootman - could you measure the length of the Lynx from wing tip to wing tip? I am curious about the size.

My lynx hasn't arrived yet, we used 2 serpents back to back. It's about the proper size.

LVO requires you to bring the actual Forgeworld model .

 krootman. wrote:

40k-noob wrote:
@Krootman - could you measure the length of the Lynx from wing tip to wing tip? I am curious about the size.

My lynx hasn't arrived yet, we used 2 serpents back to back. It's about the proper size.

Gotcha.

Yeah I know it is long from to back but I was curious if it was more than 12" wide at the wings.

Lynx is about the sane width as the Wave serpent


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Bought one for my buddy to take for the LVO to own some fools. Lol. See you guys there!!!