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So this is a bunch of hipsters protesting. Sure looks like it. No one else could ever "protest" against "White Supremacy" in such a stupid way. Really wut? It's in a public place where anybody can go. Get a jerb and you could eat or drink there yourself.

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 easysauce wrote:
 Albatross wrote:
I liked the brunch thing, if I'm being honest. I think the reactions of some people on here bear out that it is a good idea.


right, so its ok if a religious group goes into a restaurant that you eat at, shouts at you for five minutes about how premarital sex and abortions mean you are bound for hell, thats ok right?

and its ok if they specifically target areas they think are rife with those who have sex/abortions/kids out of wedlock.

Not only is that ok and its to be expected/encouraged as something we need more of in society at large.

I think you owe westboro an apology if thats what you really think, as while you dont believe in what westboro believes, you certainly approve of their methods.

If you can't see the difference between 'god hates f*gs' and saying the names of people shot dead by the police, then... I dunno. I'm guessing you're not much fun at parties.

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 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


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 Albatross wrote:

It shows up the petty irritation of people complaining about their brunch being disturbed, when people are fething dying.


Oh feth that nonsense. People are dying everywhere, every day. Protests targeted at any race are racist. It's pretty simple.

 
   
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 Asherian Command wrote:
It shows up the petty irritation of people complaining about their brunch being disturbed, when people are fething dying.


Its my major problem with people in general. Especially with people thinking. "MY SNIPER RIFLE ON COD WAS NERFED! I AM GOING TO THREATEN THIS FAQ GUY With his life!"


We're all dieing as time goes by. Now getting opted out (Killed) is something different.

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 cincydooley wrote:
 Albatross wrote:

It shows up the petty irritation of people complaining about their brunch being disturbed, when people are fething dying.


Oh feth that nonsense. People are dying everywhere, every day. Protests targeted at any race are racist. It's pretty simple.


Here's a question. In your personal experience, in your personal life just as an individual how many times have you had a disagreement or fight with somebody else and on reflection it turns out that things were "pretty simple" in hindsight?

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I liked the brunch thing, if I'm being honest. I think the reactions of some people on here bear out that it is a good idea.


I agree. Brunch means I can actually pig out on both breakfast AND lunch favorites. YEA! Oh wait were you meaning something different?


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 cincydooley wrote:
 Albatross wrote:

It shows up the petty irritation of people complaining about their brunch being disturbed, when people are fething dying.


Oh feth that nonsense. People are dying everywhere, every day. Protests targeted at any race are racist. It's pretty simple.

No, you're being simple. That line of thinking is reductive - I'm sure you wouldn't think that black South Africans protesting against a government controlled by white South Africans was racist, would you? Protest is not always about apportioning blame, it can also be about raising awareness, which I firmly believe this is. Maybe they think white people need to wake up to what's happening to their fellow citizens, and join them in helping to change it. It certainly won't change otherwise.

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 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


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 Albatross wrote:
 cincydooley wrote:
 Albatross wrote:

It shows up the petty irritation of people complaining about their brunch being disturbed, when people are fething dying.


Oh feth that nonsense. People are dying everywhere, every day. Protests targeted at any race are racist. It's pretty simple.

No, you're being simple. That line of thinking is reductive - I'm sure you wouldn't think that black South Africans protesting against a government controlled by white South Africans, would you? Protest is not always about apportioning blame, it can also be about raising awareness, which I firmly believe this is. Maybe they think white people need to wake up to what's happening to their fellow citizens, and join them in helping to change it. It certainly won't change otherwise.


Those protests looked like they were apportioning blame, not raising "awareness."
Considering the richers they are annoying I am double PLus pleased. Please continue.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/01/wyden_town_hall_disrupted_by_p.html

A town hall meeting with U.S. Sen Ron Wyden was called off Saturday afternoon when "hands up, don't shoot" protests broke out.

The event, at Portland Community College's Southeast Campus, was canceled after 45 minutes.

More than 100 protestors entered the Wyden event shortly after 2:30 p.m. shouting, "I can't breathe" and "hands up, don't shoot."

Wyden, D-Oregon, stepped away from the microphone as the protesters moved to the front of the meeting area and continued shouting and holding placards.

Attendees of the event started to get frustrated. Some began confronting the protesters, urging them to stop.

Wyden persuaded the protesters to be silent, briefly, promising he would allow them to air their concerns early in the event. They were silent as Wyden awarded medals for heroism during World War II to 100-year-old Navy veteran Dario Raschio.




After accepting his awards, Raschio addressed the protesters, saying, "These people who are here for a cause, whatever it might be -- show respect to Senator Wyden," to which the crowd burst into applause.

However, immediately following the award presentation, the chanting began again. Protesters stated it was "their town meeting" to which Wyden responded, "Yes, it's your town meeting, but it's theirs as well" as he gestured toward the audience.

Demonstrators across the country have used "don't shoot" and "hands up" as rallying cries following the fatal shooting of Michael Brown by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, last fall. "I can't breathe" references the death of Eric Garner, an unarmed black man who died in July following a chokehold by a New York City police officer.

A coalition called Don't Shoot Portland had planned a rally on Southeast 82nd Avenue on Saturday afternoon and two were arrested earlier in the afternoon for allegedly blocking the avenue.

At 3:15, after Wyden's event had been delayed by 45 minutes, it was announced that the town hall was not going to be held. Many attendees left, shaking their heads and frustrated by the event.

Wyden did meet with a few members of various causes privately, in a conference room with a half-dozen police officers standing outside.

"The reason I hold these town meetings is because I want to give everybody a chance to talk," Wyden said. "I'm acutely aware that people are frustrated about what's going on in Washington D.C. They are certainly frustrated about the topics that the protesters brought up. I just so wish we could have had a real dialogue."

Wyden continued, "I think that the symbolism of having a veteran 100 years old, who fought so gallantly so that those who disagree with government policies and want to exercise their First Amendment rights could be heard, that's what made today so poignant."

"We are certainly going to reschedule it," he said. "It's important to be able to throw open the doors of government to everybody. That's why town hall meetings are so important."


Idiots. Just idiots. Someone needs to guide this or give it a direction across the country.

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 Albatross wrote:
 cincydooley wrote:
 Albatross wrote:

It shows up the petty irritation of people complaining about their brunch being disturbed, when people are fething dying.


Oh feth that nonsense. People are dying everywhere, every day. Protests targeted at any race are racist. It's pretty simple.

No, you're being simple. That line of thinking is reductive - I'm sure you wouldn't think that black South Africans protesting against a government controlled by white South Africans was racist, would you? Protest is not always about apportioning blame, it can also be about raising awareness, which I firmly believe this is. Maybe they think white people need to wake up to what's happening to their fellow citizens, and join them in helping to change it. It certainly won't change otherwise.


We disagree in this instance. I've no more to say to you on that, honestly, and you're not convincing me that this instance did anything but racistly assign blame.

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 Chongara wrote:
Relapse wrote:

The whole "every 28 hours" thing they were jabbering on about was proven incorrect a while ago, yet they continue with it. They are dealing in fabrication with that one.


You can't really prove or disprove that claim in any way shape or form to be honest. Police are not required by law to report how many people they kill in any meaningful sense, and they don't do so. We really have no idea how many people police kill in the line of duty, black or otherwise. We can at best establish minimums.

Still even if we determine every word out their was spun whole cloth from fairy dust, it still requires a more nuanced understanding of what the issue is before making statements about how much or in what fashion such fabrications would "undercut the message".

Not that I'm advocating for dishonesty under any circumstances. It's just hard to do any meaningful analysis of falsehood (or anything else), in a vacuum.


Bingo! That's why I asked my question about the system. To see if that was somehow included in option B. I used to work across from the Iberville projects in New Orleans and saw more than a fair share of crimes committed there as opposed to other parts of the city I either lived in or frequented.


Yes. Socioeconomic factors are certainly a part of the system. However even if you determine that the current issues are directly caused only by socioeconomic factors with no racial bias, you can't divorce the current socioeconomic factors from their historic (and highly racial), causes.



The every 28 hours claim was dissected in this article and shown to be hogwash:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/12/24/the-viral-claim-that-a-black-person-is-killed-by-police-every-28-hours/

I was under the belief that police do have to account for everyone they killed.

Socio economic factors are a big factor in crime, and it really doesn't matter what the color. More so in a materialistic society.
   
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You are incorrect in that belief.

If you don't believe me try to go look for the figures. You'll find nothing comprehensive. Any claim one way another about how many people police do or don't kill is strictly speculative because the actual figures do not exist. The reports (we must simply trust they exist), are often held interally to the departments and they're under no obligation to report them publicly or to the federal government.

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 Chongara wrote:


You are incorrect in that belief.

If you don't believe me try to go look for the figures. You'll find nothing comprehensive. Any claim one way another about how many people police do or don't kill is strictly speculative because the actual figures do not exist.


I'll ask some officers I know to see what the procedure is and get back to you on that.
   
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 Albatross wrote:

If you can't see the difference between 'god hates f*gs' and saying the names of people shot dead by the police, then... I dunno. I'm guessing you're not much fun at parties.


I never said they were shouting profanities, dont make things up like, i simply used the example of a religious group shouting whatever it is they think at you for 5 minutes, could be "dont have abortions" or just a 5 minute chant of "jeeeesuuuussss" for all it matters.

I also brought up PETA, yet you conveniently ignore that


if you cannot see the similarities between shouting the names of dead people shot by cops, vs shouting about dead babies or dead animals, then you are not much good at honest debate.


You are just trying to do mental gymnastics to explain why its ok for one group to yell their "insert belief here" at people and not another.

if they want to shout their beliefs at people, they can do it on the soap box on the corner just like we make the preachers.

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 cincydooley wrote:
 Albatross wrote:
 cincydooley wrote:
 Albatross wrote:

It shows up the petty irritation of people complaining about their brunch being disturbed, when people are fething dying.


Oh feth that nonsense. People are dying everywhere, every day. Protests targeted at any race are racist. It's pretty simple.

No, you're being simple. That line of thinking is reductive - I'm sure you wouldn't think that black South Africans protesting against a government controlled by white South Africans was racist, would you? Protest is not always about apportioning blame, it can also be about raising awareness, which I firmly believe this is. Maybe they think white people need to wake up to what's happening to their fellow citizens, and join them in helping to change it. It certainly won't change otherwise.


We disagree in this instance. I've no more to say to you on that, honestly, and you're not convincing me that this instance did anything but racistly assign blame.

Cheers.

I'm not hear to convince you of anything at all, old chum. You asked me why I liked the protest, if I recall correctly.

Pip pip.

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


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Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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Ball Park idea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_2014

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 easysauce wrote:
 Albatross wrote:

If you can't see the difference between 'god hates f*gs' and saying the names of people shot dead by the police, then... I dunno. I'm guessing you're not much fun at parties.


I never said they were shouting profanities, dont make things up like, i simply used the example of a religious group shouting whatever it is they think at you for 5 minutes, could be "dont have abortions" or just a 5 minute chant of "jeeeesuuuussss" for all it matters.

I also brought up PETA, yet you conveniently ignore that


if you cannot see the similarities between shouting the names of dead people shot by cops, vs shouting about dead babies or dead animals, then you are not much good at honest debate.


You are just trying to do mental gymnastics to explain why its ok for one group to yell their "insert belief here" at people and not another.


It's quite telling that you would feel it requires 'mental gymnastics' to merely point out that something being similar to a thing does not make it THE EXACT SAME THING.

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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 Albatross wrote:
 cincydooley wrote:
 Albatross wrote:
 cincydooley wrote:
 Albatross wrote:

It shows up the petty irritation of people complaining about their brunch being disturbed, when people are fething dying.


Oh feth that nonsense. People are dying everywhere, every day. Protests targeted at any race are racist. It's pretty simple.

No, you're being simple. That line of thinking is reductive - I'm sure you wouldn't think that black South Africans protesting against a government controlled by white South Africans was racist, would you? Protest is not always about apportioning blame, it can also be about raising awareness, which I firmly believe this is. Maybe they think white people need to wake up to what's happening to their fellow citizens, and join them in helping to change it. It certainly won't change otherwise.


We disagree in this instance. I've no more to say to you on that, honestly, and you're not convincing me that this instance did anything but racistly assign blame.

Cheers.

I'm not hear to convince you of anything at all, old chum. You asked me why I liked the protest, if I recall correctly.

Pip pip.


No idea what "Pip Pip" means. I do appreciate the personal attack, though. Cheers!

 
   
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From the mother aritcle of that list:

Within the limits set by the U.S. Supreme Court in Tennessee v. Garner, authority to use deadly force in the line of duty is granted by state law to state and local law enforcement agencies. Individual agencies set policies and procedures regarding when and how to use deadly force.[3] When deadly force is used within the prescribed manner, the killing is deemed a justifiable homicide. Some law enforcement agencies routinely investigate all uses of deadly force while others investigate only cases involving extenuating circumstances. Other causes of death to suspects include accidents and police brutality. When the circumstances surrounding a death are questionable, a state and/or federal agency may investigate.[4]

Through the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, specifically Section 210402, the US Congress mandated the Attorney General to collect data on the use of excessive force by police and to publish an annual report from the data.[5] Two national systems collect data which include homicides committed by law enforcement officers in the line of duty. The National Center for Health Statistics maintains the National Vital Statistics System (NVSS) which aggregates data from locally filed death certificates. State laws require that death certificates be filed with local registrars, but the certificates do not systematically document whether a killing was legally justified nor whether a law enforcement officer was involved.[6] The FBI maintains the Uniform Crime Reporting Program (UCR) which relies on the voluntary participation of state and local law enforcement agencies in submitting reports about crimes.[6] A study of the years 1976 to 1998 found that both national systems underreport justifiable homicides by police officers, but for different reasons.[6] Records in the NVSS did not consistently include documentation of police officer involvement. The UCR database did not receive reports of all applicable incidents. The authors concluded that "reliable estimates of the number of justifiable homicides committed by police officers in the United States do not exist."[6] A study of killings by police from 1999 to 2002 in the Central Florida region found that the national databases included (in Florida) only one-fourth of the number of persons killed by police as reported in the local news media.[7]"Nationally, the percentage of unreported killings by police is probably lower than among agencies in Central Florida..."[8]


This is to say nothing of what wind up being determined as unjustified homicides, which are basically a black box entirely.

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 Chongara wrote:


You are incorrect in that belief.

If you don't believe me try to go look for the figures. You'll find nothing comprehensive. Any claim one way another about how many people police do or don't kill is strictly speculative because the actual figures do not exist. The reports (we must simply trust they exist), are often held interally to the departments and they're under no obligation to report them publicly or to the federal government.


Actually you are incorrect. They all have to account for kills and even wounds. Most departments have to account fro all shots fired in line of duty.

The issue is different municipalities, counties and states have different reporting requirements and there is no overarching agency collecting the data across the country. And I'm not sure one is needed. LE efforts are pretty local, and many departments with similar problems/environments already liaise with each other. It isn't a Fed responsibility to oversee local LE departments and tax payers don't need to be funding it at the federal level.

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 CptJake wrote:


Actually you are incorrect. They all have to account for kills and even wounds. Most departments have to account fro all shots fired in line of duty.


Show me the numbers.
   
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 cincydooley wrote:
 Albatross wrote:
 cincydooley wrote:
 Albatross wrote:
 cincydooley wrote:
 Albatross wrote:

It shows up the petty irritation of people complaining about their brunch being disturbed, when people are fething dying.


Oh feth that nonsense. People are dying everywhere, every day. Protests targeted at any race are racist. It's pretty simple.

No, you're being simple. That line of thinking is reductive - I'm sure you wouldn't think that black South Africans protesting against a government controlled by white South Africans was racist, would you? Protest is not always about apportioning blame, it can also be about raising awareness, which I firmly believe this is. Maybe they think white people need to wake up to what's happening to their fellow citizens, and join them in helping to change it. It certainly won't change otherwise.


We disagree in this instance. I've no more to say to you on that, honestly, and you're not convincing me that this instance did anything but racistly assign blame.

Cheers.

I'm not hear to convince you of anything at all, old chum. You asked me why I liked the protest, if I recall correctly.

Pip pip.


No idea what "Pip Pip" means. I do appreciate the personal attack, though. Cheers!

'Pip pip' is just a general greeting, like 'cheers'. What personal attack? And if I had have attacked you, why on earth would you appreciate it?

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


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 Chongara wrote:
 CptJake wrote:


Actually you are incorrect. They all have to account for kills and even wounds. Most departments have to account fro all shots fired in line of duty.


Show me the numbers.


What part of 'there is no agency collecting them' did you have trouble understanding?

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 CptJake wrote:
 Chongara wrote:
 CptJake wrote:


Actually you are incorrect. They all have to account for kills and even wounds. Most departments have to account fro all shots fired in line of duty.


Show me the numbers.


What part of 'there is no agency collecting them' did you have trouble understanding?


Oh. So they aren't publicly available in any meaningful sense? If they're released or not and in what capacity is at the sole discretion of the individual departments without external oversight? Is what what you're saying? That sounds a lot like what I was saying, yet somehow you're calling me incorrect.

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Why I said ball park


A man with a long history of mental illness was shot to death by police, just hours after telling a state-run crisis hotline operator that he planned to commit “suicide by cop.” The operator sent police officers to his home.[


One has to do the research and go form a base line. Each individual deaths, reason for death, race, age, and all that craziness. Be awhile because some are like the example given above

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 Chongara wrote:
 CptJake wrote:
 Chongara wrote:
 CptJake wrote:


Actually you are incorrect. They all have to account for kills and even wounds. Most departments have to account fro all shots fired in line of duty.


Show me the numbers.


What part of 'there is no agency collecting them' did you have trouble understanding?


Oh. So they aren't publicly available in any meaningful sense? If they're released or not and in what capacity is at the sole discretion of the individual departments without external oversight? Is what what you're saying? That sounds a lot like what I was saying, yet somehow you're calling me incorrect.


You said it was incorrect police had to account for all kills. And you are incorrect. Each department does account for them. Whether the info is nicely collected at the national level for you to peruse or not has zero bearing on whether the departments account for the kills.

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Not just Police Departments. Also Federal agencies to.

After being Taser'd by a US Border Inspector, a US citizen who was crossing the border into the US from Mexico on foot, died. Police say Cesena jumped over a counter and attacked a border agent. During the fight, Cesena was Taser'd.

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 Jihadin wrote:
Not just Police Departments. Also Federal agencies to.

After being Taser'd by a US Border Inspector, a US citizen who was crossing the border into the US from Mexico on foot, died. Police say Cesena jumped over a counter and attacked a border agent. During the fight, Cesena was Taser'd.


And even among Fed agencies I don't think there is a consolidated list.

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Actually you are incorrect. They all have to account for kills and even wounds. Most departments have to account fro all shots fired in line of duty.


Show me the numbers.


What part of 'there is no agency collecting them' did you have trouble understanding?


Oh. So they aren't publicly available in any meaningful sense? If they're released or not and in what capacity is at the sole discretion of the individual departments without external oversight? Is what what you're saying? That sounds a lot like what I was saying, yet somehow you're calling me incorrect.


You said it was incorrect police had to account for all kills. And you are incorrect. Each department does account for them. Whether the info is nicely collected at the national level for you to peruse or not has zero bearing on whether the departments account for the kills.


Accounting is only accounting if figures can be externally audited verified. "Yo bro. Don't worry we're totally tracking everything we do, and it's totally some number." Is no accounting at all.

For all the public knows their accounting is just cut out picture of Fudgey the Whale pasted on a piece of 8.5x11" paper with "Justifiable Homocides" written at the top in crayon. That's a rather audacious claim on my part, that it can't be proven wrong is a travesty.

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