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And they can all be accounted, at each department. There are PLENTY of things accounted that do not need to be reported to some outside agency let alone at some Federal level. That does not mean there is no accountability.

Each department goes through tires, and each knows how many they go through a year. And yet I am willing to bet you can't find a number of tires used by LE agencies each year.

 Chongara wrote:
If you reject any notion of unfairness, but accept that they're just trying to be a "bag of dicks" rather than lodging unjustified complaints then the protests are unjustified but possibly effective.

I don't think they're trying to be a bag of dicks. I just think they are a bag of dicks. A big and very racist bag of dicks.

 Albatross wrote:

It's quite telling that you would feel it requires 'mental gymnastics' to merely point out that something being similar to a thing does not make it THE EXACT SAME THING.

again, you gloss over the actual point and make up one of your own to attribute to myself.

That PETA, certain religions, and these brunch protestors are all protesting different things, is very apparent, and known to myself,

glad you understand that too.

all three are communicating their issue via yelling at people they have targeted for specific reasons, their methods are very much the same despite your not wanting them to be.

its just the same and just as rude to shout at people having lunch about dead babies, animals, or whatever other thing you might be outraged about as it is to shout about people getting shot.

you are trying to ignore that valid point, and make up excuses for why its ok for group A to do something but not group B to do the same thing. You should check your privilege in this case, as it is showing.

 Albatross wrote:
It shows up the petty irritation of people complaining about their brunch being disturbed, when people are fething dying.

I believe we call this a fallacy of relative privation.

 easysauce wrote:

 Albatross wrote:

It's quite telling that you would feel it requires 'mental gymnastics' to merely point out that something being similar to a thing does not make it THE EXACT SAME THING.

again, you gloss over the actual point and make up one of your own to attribute to myself.

That PETA, certain religions, and these brunch protestors are all protesting different things, is very apparent, and known to myself,

glad you understand that too.

all three are communicating their issue via yelling at people they have targeted for specific reasons, their methods are very much the same despite your not wanting them to be.

its just the same and just as rude to shout at people having lunch about dead babies, animals, or whatever other thing you might be outraged about as it is to shout about people getting shot.

you are trying to ignore that valid point, and make up excuses for why its ok for group A to do something but not group B to do the same thing. You should check your privilege in this case, as it is showing.

My privilege? I'm not sure what you mean.

And fine, the two things are the same in the same way that cats and dogs are the same because they both have four legs and a tale, feth nuance.

 Da Boss wrote:
Even when those factors are controlled, the entire justice system can be shown to clearly have a bias against black people. Not to mention various other systems. We all know black people are more likely to get convicted, get a longer and harsher sentence than a white person convicted of a similar crime. Black people are more likely to be sentenced to death.

This makes the system lose legitimacy.

I wouldn't mind having a "conversation" on the penal laws in the states.

Particularly the increase of "for profits" state prisons and incarcerations by non-violent crimes.


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 Albatross wrote:
I liked the brunch thing, if I'm being honest. I think the reactions of some people on here bear out that it is a good idea.

What if they disrupt your elevenes or tea time?

 whembly wrote:

 Albatross wrote:
I liked the brunch thing, if I'm being honest. I think the reactions of some people on here bear out that it is a good idea.

What if they disrupt your elevenes or tea time?

Not possible. Everything stops for tea, dear boy.

 CptJake wrote:
And they can all be accounted, at each department. There are PLENTY of things accounted that do not need to be reported to some outside agency let alone at some Federal level. That does not mean there is no accountability.

Each department goes through tires, and each knows how many they go through a year. And yet I am willing to bet you can't find a number of tires used by LE agencies each year.

Noted. "Number of people killed by the department" on the list of things that nobody outside the department needs to know. Also roughly equivalent to rate of tire usage.

Even if their statistic of "Black killed by police every 28 hrs" was true, that's still less than the amount of blacks killed (by blacks!) in just Chicago last year.

No Protests Whatsoever

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Even if their statistic of "Black killed by police every 28 hrs" was true, that's still less than the amount of blacks killed (by blacks!) in just Chicago last year.

No Protests Whatsoever

Once "Blacks" are an arm of the government this may begin to approach being vaguely the shadow of a relevant thought.

 Jihadin wrote:


Its better then me saying "Its not true." Here's a link. Go over it. Draw your own conclusion.

You do realise that the link doesn't really support that it isn't true, right?

For example, since 1976, 31 white people have been executed for the murder of a black person, whereas 291 black people were executed for killing white people.

From that page

"In 82% of the studies [reviewed], race of the victim was found to influence the likelihood of being charged with capital murder or receiving the death penalty, i.e., those who murdered whites were found more likely to be sentenced to death than those who murdered blacks."
- United States General Accounting Office, Death Penalty Sentencing, February 1990

And the current population of Death Row is 41.75% Black.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Even if their statistic of "Black killed by police every 28 hrs" was true, that's still less than the amount of blacks killed (by blacks!) in just Chicago last year.

No Protests Whatsoever

Sure, except this one. And this one. And this one. And this one. And this one. And this one.

But yeah bro good point, never before seen up in here

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:


Its better then me saying "Its not true." Here's a link. Go over it. Draw your own conclusion.

You do realise that the link doesn't really support that it isn't true, right?

For example, since 1976, 31 white people have been executed for the murder of a black person, whereas 291 black people were executed for killing white people.

From that page

"In 82% of the studies [reviewed], race of the victim was found to influence the likelihood of being charged with capital murder or receiving the death penalty, i.e., those who murdered whites were found more likely to be sentenced to death than those who murdered blacks."
- United States General Accounting Office, Death Penalty Sentencing, February 1990

And the current population of Death Row is 41.75% Black.

I'm not denying or claiming its different. Draw your own conclusion. I provided the substance to someone post on the sentencing of "Death" since we've had this particular discussion how many times now, 20ish plus, and three pages of point;counter point before someone actually starts posting links. I just nipped it in the bud

 Ouze wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Even if their statistic of "Black killed by police every 28 hrs" was true, that's still less than the amount of blacks killed (by blacks!) in just Chicago last year.

No Protests Whatsoever

Sure, except this one. And this one. And this one. And this one. And this one. And this one.

But yeah bro good point, never before seen up in here

And here's my question...

Why hasn't this reached on a national scale ala Trayvon Martins, Mike Browns, etc...??

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Even if their statistic of "Black killed by police every 28 hrs" was true, that's still less than the amount of blacks killed (by blacks!) in just Chicago last year.

No Protests Whatsoever

Sure, except this one. And this one. And this one. And this one. And this one. And this one.

But yeah bro good point, never before seen up in here

And here's my question...

Why hasn't this reached on a national scale ala Trayvon Martins, Mike Browns, etc...??

I was the only White guy on graveyard at the hotel I used to work at and once made a comment about how I had read hypertension was one of the leading causes of fatality with Black males. A friend of mine, without missing a beat replied that the leading cause of death for Black males was other Black males with guns.

Relapse wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Even if their statistic of "Black killed by police every 28 hrs" was true, that's still less than the amount of blacks killed (by blacks!) in just Chicago last year.

No Protests Whatsoever

Sure, except this one. And this one. And this one. And this one. And this one. And this one.

But yeah bro good point, never before seen up in here

And here's my question...

Why hasn't this reached on a national scale ala Trayvon Martins, Mike Browns, etc...??

I was the only White guy on graveyard at the hotel I used to work at and once made a comment about how I had read hypertension was one of the leading causes of fatality with Black males. A friend of mine, without missing a beat replied that the leading cause of death for Black males was other Black males with guns.

My black friends are like that... with sharp dry, deadpanning sense of humor.

We have many, many black guys vs deaf guys jokes... none of which is dakka-friendly.

 Albatross wrote:
I liked the brunch thing, if I'm being honest. I think the reactions of some people on here bear out that it is a good idea.

Not sure what to make of that post. You basically like racism and think that it's a good idea?

 whembly wrote:
And here's my question...

Why hasn't this reached on a national scale ala Trayvon Martins, Mike Browns, etc...??

Here's what I feel like just happened.

1.) Someone made a claim that "the blacks never protest black on black crime"

2.) I showed numerous protests over exactly that over the last couple of years

3.) It was rebutted with "well, those don't count because they weren't big enough.

In other words,

 Ouze wrote:

 whembly wrote:
And here's my question...

Why hasn't this reached on a national scale ala Trayvon Martins, Mike Browns, etc...??

Here's what I feel like just happened.

1.) Someone made a claim that "the blacks never protest black on black crime"

2.) I showed numerous protests over exactly that over the last couple of years

3.) It was rebutted with "well, those don't count because they weren't big enough.

In other words,

Spoiler:

Yeah... fair enough.

Props for that gif man.

 whembly wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Even if their statistic of "Black killed by police every 28 hrs" was true, that's still less than the amount of blacks killed (by blacks!) in just Chicago last year.

No Protests Whatsoever

Sure, except this one. And this one. And this one. And this one. And this one. And this one.

But yeah bro good point, never before seen up in here

And here's my question...

Why hasn't this reached on a national scale ala Trayvon Martins, Mike Browns, etc...??

I was the only White guy on graveyard at the hotel I used to work at and once made a comment about how I had read hypertension was one of the leading causes of fatality with Black males. A friend of mine, without missing a beat replied that the leading cause of death for Black males was other Black males with guns.

My black friends are like that... with sharp dry, deadpanning sense of humor.

We have many, many black guys vs deaf guys jokes... none of which is dakka-friendly.

Yep, I had to go testify at the trial of a guy that tried to stick up the hotel desk with three other guys I work with that were in the lobby at the time. We decided to drive to the courthouse together. As we got to the car, a huge Caddy, the owner piped out, "O.K., everybody into the N word mobile".
The trial itself was a spectacle that might be worthy of it's own thread.


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Relapse wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Even if their statistic of "Black killed by police every 28 hrs" was true, that's still less than the amount of blacks killed (by blacks!) in just Chicago last year.

No Protests Whatsoever

Sure, except this one. And this one. And this one. And this one. And this one. And this one.

But yeah bro good point, never before seen up in here

And here's my question...

Why hasn't this reached on a national scale ala Trayvon Martins, Mike Browns, etc...??

I was the only White guy on graveyard at the hotel I used to work at and once made a comment about how I had read hypertension was one of the leading causes of fatality with Black males. A friend of mine, without missing a beat replied that the leading cause of death for Black males was other Black males with guns.

My black friends are like that... with sharp dry, deadpanning sense of humor.

We have many, many black guys vs deaf guys jokes... none of which is dakka-friendly.

Yep, I myself learned many White guy jokes, which were similar to the Gringo jokes I learned from Latinos I work with. One incident reflecting the dry humor that stands out in my mind is when I had to go testify at the trial of a guy that tried to stick up the hotel desk with three other guys I work with that were in the lobby at the time. We decided to drive to the courthouse together. As we got to the car, a huge Caddy, the owner piped out, "O.K., everybody into the N word mobile".
The trial itself was a spectacle that might be worthy of it's own thread.

 Ouze wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Even if their statistic of "Black killed by police every 28 hrs" was true, that's still less than the amount of blacks killed (by blacks!) in just Chicago last year.

No Protests Whatsoever

Sure, except this one. And this one. And this one. And this one. And this one. And this one.

But yeah bro good point, never before seen up in here

Yeah good point none of those had anything to do with Chicago...he'll one of them was just a parade.

Not your "bro" either.

 Ouze wrote:

 whembly wrote:
And here's my question...

Why hasn't this reached on a national scale ala Trayvon Martins, Mike Browns, etc...??

Here's what I feel like just happened.

1.) Someone made a claim that "the blacks never protest black on black crime"

2.) I showed numerous protests over exactly that over the last couple of years

3.) It was rebutted with "well, those don't count because they weren't big enough.

In other words,

Spoiler:

Well played, Ouze.

For the record, I've made the same point as you a few times in the past (I think one was to SlaveToDorkness too) and it was either ignored or forced the relocation of a goalpost. Good luck, though!

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Yeah good point none of those had anything to do with Chicago...he'll one of them was just a parade.

Not your "bro" either.

Oh? Not even the very first URL I linked? This one?



Cause, I dunno, I think that one might have been Chicago related.

 Ouze wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Yeah good point none of those had anything to do with Chicago...he'll one of them was just a parade.

Not your "bro" either.

Oh? Not even the very first URL I linked? This one?

Spoiler:

Cause, I dunno, I think that one might have been Chicago related.

Damn your photoshop skills.

Oh, it doesn't matter. As Scootypuff said, someone will be repeating that again in these fora, probably within 24 hours.

Really none of this makes a difference, i don't think, just making the rounds.

Ouze, your gif game is on point.

 Ouze wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Yeah good point none of those had anything to do with Chicago...he'll one of them was just a parade.

Not your "bro" either.

Oh? Not even the very first URL I linked? This one?

Spoiler:

Cause, I dunno, I think that one might have been Chicago related.

Why the hell are you even humoring him? "Black on Black Crime" couldn't be less relevant to a discussion about the reaction of the black community to fatal police encounters.The whole affair is just so far off point it isn't even worth discussing.

 cincydooley wrote:
Ouze, your gif game is on point.

It's probably the only positive that will have come out of this thread when it inevitably descends into a lock in a few pages

 Chongara wrote:
Why the hell are you even humoring him? "Black on Black Crime" couldn't be less relevant to a discussion about the reaction of the black community to fatal police encounters.The whole affair is just so far off point it isn't even worth discussing.

It was worth humoring him just to see those GIFs.

 cincydooley wrote:
Ouze, your gif game is on point.

I want that gif making skills.