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Well citizens of France, I know my country and yours haven't seen eye-to-eye over the millenia, but I'm proud to stand with you now. My condolences to the bereaved.

To be honest, I was going to expand upon why I feel the caricatures aren't funny and why it wasn't too clever to print them, but at this moment my thoughts are entirely irrelevant. The sooner this barbaric group of backward thinking totalitarian scum are hunted down and systematically destroyed, the sooner the world will be a better place.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Allow Mehdi to back peddle all you want. I let the actual footage speak for itself.

Allow him to explain you mean. When you actually know what he meant it isn't as easy to paint him in the light you wish. Shrug.

Islam apologist?

Nope, I just find your obvious bias to well be, obvious.

Then again, it's coming from the same guy who celebrated the shooting of that 12 year old kid so.

 MrDwhitey wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
Allow Mehdi to back peddle all you want. I let the actual footage speak for itself.

Allow him to explain you mean. When you actually know what he meant it isn't as easy to paint him in the light you wish. Shrug.

When you have to use logic constructs to explain what you actually meant then you've already lost.

Tbh I think all religion is crap, but it's fun to see blatant bias for and against, especially when rooted in misinformation.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I think the investigation and man hunt may draw parallels to America's hunt for Bin Laden, if the fethers escape justice in the long term.

Much closer to the Boston Marathon bombing than the hunt for Bin Laden.

If the fethers escape in the long term.

I'm not changing my point. Bin Laden was the Big Wig Head Honcho. These were three foot soldiers. Bin Laden was overseas, these guys are in France.

You could always increase the font size further and perhaps even use a brighter color, but these guys are NOT gonna ever take on Bin Laden type status.

Having never been to France - it's pretty easy to get out of the country, isn't it? So far as blockading them in.

Assuming they even left, of course.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Nope, I just find your obvious bias to well be, obvious.

Then again, it's coming from the same guy who celebrated the shooting of that 12 year old kid so.

From the same guy who celebrated shooting a 12 year old kid?

No. What I did was refer to it in a callous and cold way. I did not celebrate it. I suggested that through his actions he got a reasonable outcome.

Thanks for bringing something completely off topic into the thread though.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Tbh I think all religion is crap, but it's fun to see blatant bias for and against, especially when rooted in misinformation.

Misinformation?

What he actually said from his own mouth?

We're stretching reality now.

Also I'm sure you have just as much venom for Islam as you do Christianity.

 Ouze wrote:
Having never been to France - it's pretty easy to get out of the country, isn't it? So far as blockading them in.

Assuming they even left, of course.

As a member of the EU, France has no border control for its neighbouring EU members, so theoretically speaking the attackers could be in Spain, Italy, Germany, the Benelux etc without them being noticed crossing the border.

There is an ongoing anti-terror operation in Reims, where one of the attackers is from, not much more news about it atm.

Open borders so they might be in Germany by now. Or Spain. Or UK. Or Italy...so on and so on

Two nearly identical posts, 5 seconds apart from each other.

Identical enough for a jinx

Edit: reports 1 suspect dead, 2 in custody. Nothing confirmed by authorities though
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/paris-magazine-attack/paris-attack-suspect-dead-two-custody-n281761

Some UVoD homage:
http://www.goominet.com/unspeakable-vault/?tx_cenostripviewer_pi1[stripid]=635

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Having never been to France - it's pretty easy to get out of the country, isn't it? So far as blockading them in.

Assuming they even left, of course.

As a member of the EU, France has no border control for its neighbouring EU members, so theoretically speaking the attackers could be in Spain, Italy, Germany, the Benelux etc without them being noticed crossing the border.

There is an ongoing anti-terror operation in Reims, where one of the attackers is from, not much more news about it atm.

Not exactly, any EU member can restablish border controls if needed under a certain conditions. For example high risk football matches or terrorist attacks. Having said that I don't think the French government will do it as the gunmen are probably hidding in their "home" turf.

M.

Bret Bier just backed that report. One dead two captured.

 Miguelsan wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Having never been to France - it's pretty easy to get out of the country, isn't it? So far as blockading them in.

Assuming they even left, of course.

As a member of the EU, France has no border control for its neighbouring EU members, so theoretically speaking the attackers could be in Spain, Italy, Germany, the Benelux etc without them being noticed crossing the border.

There is an ongoing anti-terror operation in Reims, where one of the attackers is from, not much more news about it atm.

Not exactly, any EU member can restablish border controls if needed under a certain conditions. For example high risk football matches or terrorist attacks. Having said that I don't think the French government will do it as the gunmen are probably hidding in their "home" turf.

M.

Their guys who most likely have jihadist connections in middle eastern nations. Their a very high flight risk IMO.

 Jihadin wrote:
Bret Bier just backed that report. One dead two captured.

I sincerely hope this is the case. Checked the BBC and nothing.

 Miguelsan wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Having never been to France - it's pretty easy to get out of the country, isn't it? So far as blockading them in.

Assuming they even left, of course.

As a member of the EU, France has no border control for its neighbouring EU members, so theoretically speaking the attackers could be in Spain, Italy, Germany, the Benelux etc without them being noticed crossing the border.

There is an ongoing anti-terror operation in Reims, where one of the attackers is from, not much more news about it atm.

Not exactly, any EU member can restablish border controls if needed under a certain conditions. For example high risk football matches or terrorist attacks. Having said that I don't think the French government will do it as the gunmen are probably hidding in their "home" turf.

M.

Of course, but in these cases its likely that border crossings could not be secured quickly enough to prevent them escaping if they intended to do so.

 djones520 wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Having never been to France - it's pretty easy to get out of the country, isn't it? So far as blockading them in.

Assuming they even left, of course.

As a member of the EU, France has no border control for its neighbouring EU members, so theoretically speaking the attackers could be in Spain, Italy, Germany, the Benelux etc without them being noticed crossing the border.

There is an ongoing anti-terror operation in Reims, where one of the attackers is from, not much more news about it atm.

Not exactly, any EU member can restablish border controls if needed under a certain conditions. For example high risk football matches or terrorist attacks. Having said that I don't think the French government will do it as the gunmen are probably hidding in their "home" turf.

M.

Their guys who most likely have jihadist connections in middle eastern nations. Their a very high flight risk IMO.

If the manage to hide long enough they will try to flee to Libia or Syria of course. But currently they would be safer laying low among the numerous franco-argelian comunity that trying to cross the border to Germany or Spain that are also in high alert and where probably they won't have the same level of support.

M.


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 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Having never been to France - it's pretty easy to get out of the country, isn't it? So far as blockading them in.

Assuming they even left, of course.

As a member of the EU, France has no border control for its neighbouring EU members, so theoretically speaking the attackers could be in Spain, Italy, Germany, the Benelux etc without them being noticed crossing the border.

There is an ongoing anti-terror operation in Reims, where one of the attackers is from, not much more news about it atm.

Not exactly, any EU member can restablish border controls if needed under a certain conditions. For example high risk football matches or terrorist attacks. Having said that I don't think the French government will do it as the gunmen are probably hidding in their "home" turf.

M.

Of course, but in these cases its likely that border crossings could not be secured quickly enough to prevent them escaping if they intended to do so.

We are in agreement, I just was pointing out that Schengen considers the closing of borders in some cases.

M.

One of them dropped a identity card as they transfer vehicles. Fate was most kind

 Jihadin wrote:
One of them dropped a identity card as they transfer vehicles. Fate was most kind

Almost as though Allah was not with them in this...

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
We were discussing a quote from twitter. "You can be for freedom of speech, and against insulting religion".

The key part I think, is what do you mean by "be against".

If you mean you think its rude and spiteful, then yes the statement is valid.
But if you think that Freedom of Speech does not apply to "insulting religion", then you [the Twitter user who made the comment] have profoundly misunderstood what Freedom of Speech is.


Freedom of Speech is not the freedom to only say things that meet the prevailing standards of Political Correctness.

Exalted.

AP censors Muhammad cartoons. I suppose AP is not Charlie Hebdo.

Reminds me of some sentence that american guy said once, about liberty and safety...

Recovering the weapons is what I want to hear next

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/paris-magazine-attack/paris-attack-suspect-dead-two-custody-u-s-officials-say-n281761

Apparently they have them.

Thank feth they got the little gaks.

Good.

I think the caricatures are reasonable and neccesary in society

Self reflection and self criticism are neccesary to grow as people and as a society

I also think it's also especially necessary for a particular religion in which they feel the need to brutally opress or kill anyone that disagrees with them.

It happened with christianity and look how much western civilisation has progressed in the past 500 years. I don't need to follow christianity and openly so and don't have to be worried about being brutally tortured/murdered.

Pandering to these types of people isn't going to solve anything.

I mean what progress will the religion ever have if it refuses to look at itself and change with time.

And personally I've never believed that 'religion' more or less the big 4 (budism,christianity,islam,judaism) has ever really been peaceful anyway. It really annoys me when these religionists claim this. When have they ever be peaceful?

 mitch_rifle wrote:
And personally I've never believed that 'religion' more or less the big 4 (budism,christianity,islam,judaism) has ever really been peaceful anyway. It really annoys me when these religionists claim this. When have they ever be peaceful?

Buddhism's not one of the big 4, you're thinking of Hinduism, and I seem to recall some Gandhi fellow setting a rather convincing non-violence example.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 mitch_rifle wrote:
And personally I've never believed that 'religion' more or less the big 4 (budism,christianity,islam,judaism) has ever really been peaceful anyway. It really annoys me when these religionists claim this. When have they ever be peaceful?

Buddhism's not one of the big 4, you're thinking of Hinduism, and I seem to recall some Gandhi fellow setting a rather convincing non-violence example.

Some dude called Jesus preached peace and love thy enemy/turn the other cheek and so on as well. It would seem the early church went along with that.