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2015/01/08 22:28:46
Subject: Re:Shooting at Satirical magazine in France
Jihadin wrote: How about you two get off the comparison kick.
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The 18 year old it seems was not involve? Alibi of being in class at the time of the shooting backed by other students. So where is the third guy?
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Torga_DW wrote: Have they narrowed down their location yet? Better question, did they close the border or upgrade security/inspections at the border at any point?
'Northern France'. is as far as anyone seems willing to say. UK has started tightening security at ports, so someone in the Home Office had the same thoughts I did. The problem is as more time passes, your search areas tend ot get bigger rather than smaller unless you start getting solid leads.
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They are still searching the previously mentioned area (20 by 15km or 13 by 10 miles), nothing yet. As far as news provides only the UK has stepped up border security, none of the other surrounding countries or France itself.
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Torga_DW wrote: Have they narrowed down their location yet? Better question, did they close the border or upgrade security/inspections at the border at any point?
'Northern France'. is as far as anyone seems willing to say. UK has started tightening security at ports, so someone in the Home Office had the same thoughts I did. The problem is as more time passes, your search areas tend ot get bigger rather than smaller unless you start getting solid leads.
Yeah, is why i was kind of hoping they might have thought of the borders by now. Glad to see the UK is taking steps at least. Apparently australia has received a terror warning for indonesia (iirc) recently, there may have been other things planned to coincide with the shooting.
2015/01/09 00:10:37
Subject: Re:Shooting at Satirical magazine in France
Jihadin wrote: Since the French Foreign Legion is use to dealing with Insurgents they should be the one's sweeping the forest.
I have a cousin who is officer in the FFL. But I do not think they can be deployed inside of France. They are the crazy BAFM that you send into the worst situations were their craziness is an asset rather than a liability. So, preferably when there are no French bystanders around .
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2015/01/09 00:12:21
Subject: Re:Shooting at Satirical magazine in France
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2015/01/09 00:17:25
Subject: Re:Shooting at Satirical magazine in France
What's so---I don't know--strange? about all this is I had never even heard of Charlie Hedbo before, and likely never would have, but now I have seen every cartoon about Mohammed they have ever published.
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jasper76 wrote: What's so---I don't know--strange? about all this is I had never even heard of Charlie Hedbo before, and likely never would have, but now I have seen every cartoon about Mohammed they have ever published.
Yup. Streisand effect in action.
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2015/01/09 02:27:21
Subject: Re:Shooting at Satirical magazine in France
Only had heard of them when they ran that comic and even then didn't really pay any attention to it as it fell under gak I could care less about. The shooting however makes me both angry and sad for the victims, nobody should ever have to die over a comic no matter how insulting. But sadly there's very unreasonable people in the world.
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“Religion, a mediaeval form of unreason, when combined with modern weaponry becomes a real threat to our freedoms. This religious totalitarianism has caused a deadly mutation in the heart of Islam and we see the tragic consequences in Paris today. I stand with Charlie Hebdo, as we all must, to defend the art of satire, which has always been a force for liberty and against tyranny, dishonesty and stupidity. ‘Respect for religion’ has become a code phrase meaning ‘fear of religion.’ Religions, like all other ideas, deserve criticism, satire, and, yes, our fearless disrespect.” –Salman Rushdie (originally posted on English Pen)
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote: Salman Rushdie on the Charlie Hebdo attack:
“Religion, a mediaeval form of unreason, when combined with modern weaponry becomes a real threat to our freedoms. This religious totalitarianism has caused a deadly mutation in the heart of Islam and we see the tragic consequences in Paris today. I stand with Charlie Hebdo, as we all must, to defend the art of satire, which has always been a force for liberty and against tyranny, dishonesty and stupidity. ‘Respect for religion’ has become a code phrase meaning ‘fear of religion.’ Religions, like all other ideas, deserve criticism, satire, and, yes, our fearless disrespect.” –Salman Rushdie (originally posted on English Pen)
Karl Marx, on religion in general:
"The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo."
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2015/01/09 03:48:35
Subject: Re:Shooting at Satirical magazine in France
I'm not sure what your point is. You are comparing somebody who didn't advocate with something to somebody who did.
Marx did advocate for an abandonment of religion.
Jesus did not advocate for the crusades.
How is this comparable?
Because abandonment of religion had nothing to do with the deaths of those millions of people.
And that both those millions of deaths by the USSR and the thousands of deaths due to the crusades were carried out based on an individuals interpretation of the teachings of somebody who was already dead and hence had no way to influence the result.
The aim of communism, as laid out in Marx's manifesto, was this:
1) Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2) A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3) Abolition of all right of inheritance. 4) Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5) Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. 5) Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. 6) Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 7) Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 8) Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country. 9) Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form and combination of education with industrial production.
Where in that list does it call for the murder of millions of people?
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2015/01/09 04:51:14
Subject: Re:Shooting at Satirical magazine in France
I'm not sure what your point is. You are comparing somebody who didn't advocate with something to somebody who did.
Marx did advocate for an abandonment of religion.
Jesus did not advocate for the crusades.
How is this comparable?
Because abandonment of religion had nothing to do with the deaths of those millions of people.
And that both those millions of deaths by the USSR and the thousands of deaths due to the crusades were carried out based on an individuals interpretation of the teachings of somebody who was already dead and hence had no way to influence the result.
The aim of communism, as laid out in Marx's manifesto, was this:
1) Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2) A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3) Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4) Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5) Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
5) Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
6) Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
7) Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
8) Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
9) Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form and combination of education with industrial production.
Where in that list does it call for the murder of millions of people?
How do you achieve those without murdering people?
If abandonment of religion had nothing to do with the deaths of millions of people then why did so many die? What moral code were people living by? While the Marxist state was in operation millions of people were dying while in the Western countries people lived in relative peace. They weren't perfect but they were a damned sight better than what was going on in the USSR. That's not to say these societies didn't do horrible things, but the quality of life for people was better here than it was there. It was its Christian base that got it there and most Western atheists derive their morals from Christianity. They've changed them and strayed slightly in others but that's where it flows from. If you completely abandon Religion what is your moral compass? Yourself? An inherently and demonstrably selfish being. (Not a personal attack, humanity in general). That's not to say that you must adhere to it all costs, it's something to keep you tied to. An anchor. I'm not a Christian by any proper sense of the word, I'm Agnostic but I acknowledge that our societies morals derive from Christianity and we'd be a lot worse off without it.
Extend your middle finger to the extremist jihadist.
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2015/01/09 05:02:59
Subject: Re:Shooting at Satirical magazine in France
Extend your middle finger to the extremist jihadist.
"A more important lens through which to remember Cobain and his band is a story relayed by his uncle at a public memorial service. As happened often, a neighborhood bully was beating up a young Cobain, knocking him to the ground over and over again. But rather than punching the bully back or cowering in fear, Cobain instead, after each knock down, simply extended his middle finger in defiance."
They can knock you down as many times as they want, but don’t let them silence you. Don’t ever let them silence you.
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BaronIveagh wrote: They're searching south of the gas station at Longpont and Corcy now.
As far as the Légion étrangère goes, they're currently deployed in Africa, IIRC.
There are several FFL Regiments, the whole FFL doesn't really deploy together. There probably are some in Africa right now, but there are multiple regiments based in France, and I'm guessing there are Legionaires in Paris right now (especially judging by the photo). They can be used in France for security duties, and have done so in the past.
I'll be honest, I was pretty shocked when you guys started posting that one of the French officers wasn't armed. I know that most British and Irish police officers don't carry firearms, but I was under the impression that most French officers do. I know most German and Austrian police officers carry firearms. (In fact, I can't specifically recall ever seeing a uniformed German or Austrian officer who wasn't armed.) I figured it was likely the same for the rest of the continent. It sounds like they have the option in France at least? And now it sounds like they both were armed actually? That makes more sense to me.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: There's a large amount of Legionnaires currently deployed to Mali, and some more were in Afghanistan.
Yup, that's correct. There's also 2e REP on Corsica and 13e DBLE in UAE (formerly in Djibouti), as well as an infantry regiment in French Guiana. That's all in addition to the several regiments in France.
Who was the target of the attack in NY? NYPD officers.
Who was the target of this attack? Not French officers.
Being prepared to shoot French LEOs != targeting French LEOs.
You only read what you want to read, apparently. So I will say it again;
There was another attack in South of Paris the same day, by another killer who was wearing a bulletproof vest and armed with apparently two guns and who fled. This attack was clearly aimed at police agents, who were busy in a traffic accident. The policewoman was mortally wounded and died shortly after.
By the way, in that affair (they still don't know if it is related or not), the suspect has been recently identified. Two related people to him are being interrogated. The killer himself is still running....
About Charlie Hebdo suspects, they are now cornered in a small building of a company in Seine-et-Marne (seems like North-East of Paris). It seems they hold a hostage. Police snipers are posted outside and heavy armed elite forces are deployed. Looks like they're trying to get the hostage out of this gak alive.
Will stop talking about weapons. I understand there are big cultural differences between America and Europa. Still don't agree with this, but at the very least I can understand the reasons behind. Just hope you will at least try to understand our own, even if you don't agree as well.
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2015/01/09 11:06:44
Subject: Re:Shooting at Satirical magazine in France
The Paris terror suspects are holed up at an industrial building near Charles de Gaulle airport with a hostage, and have told police they are ready to "die as martyrs".
One of the Kouachi brothers turned up at the printing factory wearing black combat gear and a bulletproof vest and was initially mistaken for a police officer. He then told a worker: "Get out of here, we don't kill civilians."
Helicopters are hovering overhead and armed police officers are flooding the area.
Local residents are being told to stay at home, switch off the lights, and stay away from their windows. Hundreds of people are sealed inside some local office buildings.
There have been reports that two people have been killed, but Paris prosecutors insist there have been no deaths.
Police are now negotiating with the two suspects, Said and Cherif Kouachi. Their hostage is understood to be a woman.
At least two planes have aborted landing attempts at the airport as the situation unfolds.
It follows a car chase on the N2 motorway in which gunshots were fired between the men and police as their stolen car headed towards Paris.
Three helicopters have been hovering near the building in Dammartin-en-Goele, close to the country's busiest airport.At least two planes have aborted landing attempts at the airport as the situation unfolds.
It follows a car chase on the N2 motorway in which gunshots were fired between the men and police as their stolen car headed towards Paris.
Three helicopters have been hovering near the building in Dammartin-en-Goele, close to the country's busiest airport.
A close-up image of one of the helicopters shows armed police sitting at the vehicle's open door with heavy weaponry ready.
France's interior minister has confirmed that an operation to detain the suspects is under way.
In a televised statement Bernard Cazeneuve said: "An operation is under way which is set to neutralise the perpetrators of the cowardly attack carried out two days ago."
Sky's Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt said: "Police seem to have the situation under control and appear to be in contact - or trying to get into contact - with the two men."
Armed police are ordering members of the media to leave the area, saying the situation is too dangerous.
The brothers' grey Peugot 206 was hijacked from a woman in the town of Montagny Sainte Felicite this morning between Crepy-en-Valois and Nanteuil-le-Haudoin.
Almost 90,000 terror police across France are involved in the hunt for the men, believed to be behind Wednesday's terror attack on the headquarters of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in which 12 people died.
They then fled the city and are believed to have hid overnight in an area to the northeast of the capital.
The extreme right wing parties all over Europe are already taking advantage of these attacks, with calls to the banishment of Islam in European territory and the closing of borders against outside immigration...
The problem is, these parties were already gaining growing amounts of support and that support will only tend to grow even more as a result of these attacks (annalists now consider it a very real possibility that Le Pen might actually win the next French Presidential elections), making the peaceful Islamic communities of Europe the true end victims of these terror attacks.
The terrorists killed a proof editor of the newspaper who's name was Mustapha Ourrad and the name of the cop that was executed outside was Ahmed Merabet, both of them were Muslim.
It would be a real shame if their killings and those of the rest of the journalists are used as a pretext to advance the cause of the people that they probably despised the most.
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