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Oy vey!

via Steve the Warboss 1-8-2014

Regarding Codex Chaos Space Marines
-No Cult Marines in the Codex
-Few Rule changes
-Dataslates for Cult Marines, Terminators, Chosen ect. in White Dwarf
-One Chaos God per Issue (each with their own dataslates for Berzerker Termis, Plague Termis ect.)

Considering that WD issues will be destroyed after few weeks if a guy starts CSM after these WD issues will play CSM without cult marines???

No Cult Marines?

They can go to hell...

I am disappoint.

..if true.

Unless it's good, of course. ;D

Judging by my user name it's obvious I'm a Nurgle lover. This is definitely a bummer. Though, it sort of goes hand in hand with what others had speculated/rumored for a while now. One book for renegades and another for Legions, only instead of one book we'll get individual Dataslates for each god. As much as I hate having to purchase a bunch of DLC that should have been in the codex proper, perhaps it's not all bad. I guess it'll save money for people who only run renegades and not cult legions. It'll also save some cash (hopefully) for those who only enjoy one specific god. People won't have to pay $50 for codex chaos renegades, then another $50 for a legion book when a $10 dataslate for Khorne would give them all they need.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No Cult Marines?

They can go to hell...

I think you miss read that… I believe the rumor was no Cult Marines without digitally licensed products, or WD issues. This is nothing different than what they've been doing with codices for a while now. The basic stuff is in the book, and the extra add-ons are, well, extra add-ons... Why charge for something once when you can charge for multiple times?

Valete,

JohnS

buy a digital download?

buy a second hand copy?

give up in disgust?

something else?

So cutting stuff from the Codex to release as DLC.

GW really is the Ubisoft of the miniature gaming world.

Salt. Apply lots of salt.

I can't see them cutting any and all cult troops from the primary codex.

I'm going to go ahead and refuse to believe this one, though cult terminators would be lovely the losses to the main book would most certainly not be.

...We've been demanding Cult Terminators since the 4e book dropped them. What's the catch?

 cygnnus wrote:
I think you miss read that… I believe the rumor was no Cult Marines without digitally licensed products, or WD issues. This is nothing different than what they've been doing with codices for a while now. The basic stuff is in the book, and the extra add-ons are, well, extra add-ons... Why charge for something once when you can charge for multiple times?

To which I say:

Cult Marines aren't an extra fething add-on.

First they took our Legions, then they took our Daemons, and now they're taking our Cult Marines, so my point about them all going to hell stands. I am tired, so very tired, of seeing one of my fav armies get picked apart with each new edition. Why even have fething Chaos Marines at all if they're just going to strip away at them until they really are just Evil Ultramarines.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
I can't see them cutting any and all cult troops from the primary codex.

Why not? Aside from the ancient Berzerker kit none of them are in plastic. Why make something in plastic when you can just cut it?

Wow, it's just one great idea after neither for GW at the moment isn't it.

I'm not buying this rumour...

master sheol wrote:
Considering that WD issues will be destroyed after few weeks if a guy starts CSM after these WD issues will play CSM without cult marines???

You can buy any issue of White Dwarf Weekly digitally right now if you want to.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
...We've been demanding Cult Terminators since the 4e book dropped them. What's the catch?

Well, the catch is... They aren't in the codex and you have to pay extra for the rules...

I hate to say it, but the first thing I do when I hear rumours I don't like is check Pretre's rumour tracker.

While Steve the Warboss has only slightly better than a 50/50 record, if one looks at his rumours, many of them, while correct to list them as false, could be seen, through the benefit of hindsight, as at least being in the ballpark (Khemri colossus predicted, we got a Nagash, slips of odd months or release orders etc, etc)

I hate to say it, but this might have legs, if not exactly as it is written here.

Yea, I'm calling BS on this.

They'll probably have a lead up to the release of the codex just like what they did with Orks. They'll put the dataslates in WD, one god, each week as a "hey, check it out" and then we'll get the codex and it's all in there.

The fact that I could believe this rumour really shows how far GW have fallen.

I don't believe that there will be cult terminators for everyone one, unless FW or GW makes kits for them. Only FW "Nurgle" and "Khorne" terminators exist.

I do kindof believe they'll pull the cult units from the codex and make them into dataslates.

If i can take more sonic weapons on anything other than Noise Marines, go go Noisy Biker Marines.

I do know that we won't be able to make them troops if/when the new codex comes, that's 100% sure based off of all the new codii that have come and there is no FoC changing rules within the codex.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No Cult Marines?

They can go to hell...

There were no Cult Marines in the 3.5 Codex and it was the only good Chaos codex released since 2nd ed.

Yeah, they will probably just screw everything up, but no Cults could actually mean going back to proper Marks for everyone again and not this gakky "one Cult unit, and everything else gets the Mark Lite" gak.

Bring to me the Book of Nurgle. I really hope that we are getting 'Legion' books in White Dwarf, much cheaper than buying supplements.

In that case i have a perfectly good, hardback, well illustrated codex. No need to buy the new one if it´s just a downgrade, and where i play, noone will mind me using the "old" one.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No Cult Marines?

They can go to hell...

There were no Cult Marines in the 3.5 Codex and it was the only good Chaos codex released since 2nd ed.

Yeah, they will probably just screw everything up, but no Cults could actually mean going back to proper Marks for everyone again and not this gakky "one Cult unit, and everything else gets the Mark Lite" gak.

Marks made them into Cult units in 3.5 IIRC, at work so i dont ahve my book with me. But they were certainly in 3.5 in one way or another.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
There were no Cult Marines in the 3.5 Codex and it was the only good Chaos codex released since 2nd ed.

Don't be so blatantly dishonest. The Mark system created Cult Marines. CSM + MoK = Berzerkers. CSM + MoT = Thousand Sons Marines. The book had Cult Marines, and did so in the most efficient way possible (a Mark that turned a unit into a Cult Marine unit rather than separate entries for Cult X, Cult X Terminators, Cult X Havocs, etc.).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
There were no Cult Marines in the 3.5 Codex and it was the only good Chaos codex released since 2nd ed.

Don't be so blatantly dishonest. The Mark system created Cult Marines. CSM + MoK = Berzerkers. CSM + MoT = Thousand Sons Marines. The book had Cult Marines, and did so in the most efficient way possible (a Mark that turned a unit into a Cult Marine unit rather than separate entries for Cult X, Cult X Terminators, Cult X Havocs, etc.).

But that's what I'm trying to say. It was Mark = Cult. Now there is only one Cult unit per god and gakky watered down Marks for everything else. Cutting out Cults units, to me, means cutting out the 4 specific PA units whose very existance implies that the other Marked units aren't proper Cult units. So the removal of what is now considered "Cults" could take us back to the old system where everything Marked was considered Cult.

And, what, you'll think they'll let you add 'em back in with Marks?

This is 40K Chaos. They've been getting blander and blander with fewer options every damned edition since they killed the glorious 3.5 book. And to add insult to injury the one time they released a Legion-based supplement, it was for the most vanilla Chaos Legion of all!

The only thing they're going to add is pointless DLC.

Seems a bit early for another Chaos Codex, no?

I hope we finally get new cult marines. If that plastic TS head on the Thunderwolf(?) sprue is anything to go by then we are in for a treat.

I predicted it'll be some other supplement and some kits. Probably after the Greater Daemons hit when the end times book end?

 Medium of Death wrote:
Seems a bit early for another Chaos Codex, no?

No? The chaos codex is 6th edition and the game is in 7th edition?

 Torga_DW wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
Seems a bit early for another Chaos Codex, no?

No? The chaos codex is 6th edition and the game is in 7th edition?

And it needs a bit of a boost... But already sounds like it's not going to be any better. Even if its balanced it's going to be stupidly bland, if these rumours are true.