This Is Not a Test - 28mm Post-Apoc Skirmish - New Minis p. 18

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**Taarnak**

Albino Squirrel wrote:
I wish he would use some of the funding to put the existing supplements, or the new scenarios, into the rulebook.

I'd agree. Would be a nice addition to the book.

~Eric

**Nostromodamus**

Taarnak wrote:
Albino Squirrel wrote:
I wish he would use some of the funding to put the existing supplements, or the new scenarios, into the rulebook.

I'd agree. Would be a nice addition to the book.

~Eric

Maybe not the book, as layouts have likely already been sorted, but a supplemental leaflet would be cool.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

You know, a cheapie magazine style document would weigh functionally nothing, but be a nice viable way to get just the scenarios in print.

I'd hope they'll look into it considering how far beyond funded we've gone. :-)

**deathwing**

MindwormGames wrote:
Expanding the content of the printed book would likely be problematic. I wouldn't be surprised if the layout of the book was finalized a good while ago. Flexibility like that can be expensive, especially for a small operation.

In my experience, hard copy books are basically loss leaders. They are expensive to produce, especially in small volumes, and I know many companies that sell their hard copy rulebooks basically at cost.

Personally, I love the heck out of a good hard copy rulebook. A printed rulebook provides a very visceral, tangible connection to a game that is important to me.

Plenty of folks feel the same way, and so printed rulebooks can be a very important sales driver. But rules, in and of themselves (even in a spendy high quality print run with a $50-$60 retail price tag) aren't money makers.

This is the sort of campaign that is true to the ostensible purpose of crowdfunding. It isn't about making money; it is about players helping a small company create a niche product that otherwise wouldn't exist.

You, sir, are my hero. This pretty much sums it all up. This Kickstarter is really about answering the call to give folks what they want, a physical rulebook. Harback books of this size are expensive to make and ship. The book indeed has already been laid out and is ready to go and I cannot simply add stuff without dramatically shifting costs and my ability to deliver on time. Any profit from the Kickstarter, which will be significantly less that most people think, after fees, shipping, production costs, and all those "freebies" are added in, will be rolled into future releases. I may buy myself a beer, however.

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**timd**

Wondering if the book would qualify for USPS Media Mail rates. A two pound qualifying book mails for $3.22 anywhere in the US.

"Only these items may be mailed at the Media Mail prices:
a.
Books, including books issued to supplement other books, of at least eight printed pages, consisting wholly of reading matter or scholarly bibliography, or reading matter with incidental blank spaces for notations and containing no advertising matter other than incidental announcements of books. Advertising includes paid advertising and the publishers' own advertising in display,"
classified, or editorial style.

**Albino Squirrel**

Well, you could have planned ahead a little. To go to all the effort to make a hardback rulebook that is so incomplete seems like a wasted opportunity. Why would you not have thought about including all the existing scenarios?

**Barzam**

The only thing here I would really like to see would be a soft cover option. Hard covers are nice, but I always worry about their bindings.

**-iPaint-**

Seems like people are complaining about the success of this campaign already....

~iPaint

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Not gonna lie...when I read the latest update with the new stretch goal with 5 MORE peacekeepers, I actually started ventilating. 10 Peacekeepers in total? That's my entire Peacekeeper warband sorted and then some. (All I need now is a box of wargamesa factory GIs converted to look like New California Republic Conscript soldiers inspired by Wyrmallas fantstic conversions. I'll use them as deputized settlers probably. And powder gangers for sacrificial lambs).

I went for the Peacekeeper pledge and a bunch of add ons, do I get ALL unlocked stretch goals or do I have to pledge more? I'm new to kick starter, not entirely familiar with all the terminology.

Spoiler:

**Nostromodamus**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

I went for the Peacekeeper pledge and a bunch of add ons, do I get ALL unlocked stretch goals or do I have to pledge more? I'm new to kick starter, not entirely familiar with all the terminology.

If something is an add-on, you need to increase your pledge total to cover the cost of it. The 5 Peacekeepers will cost you an additional $32.50 (as per Joey in the update comments), so raise your pledge by that amount.

The free rats and digital content are included in your pledge level.

**GrimDork**

The hardback book is complete, the other scenarios are from supplements. Main rulebooks almost never include supplements like people are suggesting, 40k book has what six game types? Most of the mantic books have additional scenarios outside the core rules, so does Pulp Alley, and I'm sure others.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Just curious, but did we skip a few stretches? I only ask because I see a gap between 10k and 15k? Oh, was it meant to be the five Peace-Keepers, as in one per 1k broken/surpassed?

**Nostromodamus**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Just curious, but did we skip a few stretches? I only ask because I see a gap between 10k and 15k? Oh, was it meant to be the five Peace-Keepers, as in one per 1k broken/surpassed?

I'm assuming he was going to do each individually, but as we blasted through so many unrevealed SG he just unlocked them all at once.

**deathwing**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Just curious, but did we skip a few stretches? I only ask because I see a gap between 10k and 15k? Oh, was it meant to be the five Peace-Keepers, as in one per 1k broken/surpassed?

We in fact did blow through a bunch of stretch goals, so I just unlocked the big one.. I did not anticipate that we would go threw them all in the first 24 hours and was originally waiting to release the Peacekeepers separately. However, since folks are so solidly behind us, I thought what better way to celebrate $5,000 in Stretch Goals, then to release one miniature add-on per $1,000, so five Peacekeepers. Note that these are add-ons and your pledge amount will have to be increased to get them. All the best.

Joey

**BrookM**

Latest update:

Hi everyone, this will be an odd update, but we've goofed.

We never expected such an incredible response to the campaign and we maybe jumped the gun a bit when it came to new add-ons. We have had to lock the current King of the Wasteland pledge level as it has the proviso that all miniature add-ons are included (for free). With this flurry of new miniature add-ons, we realized we'd be giving away hundreds of dollars worth of minis for free. As a small business we just can't handle that.

For those of you who have already pledged at this level, rest assured we will honor both the spirit and word of that pledge. The new Peacekeepers and robots (should we unlock them) will be included for free for those backers.

This will be a valuable learning opportunity for us, and we appreciate your continued support.

We will work through the details of a new pledge level too, something that provides a reasonable discount for all of our existing range.

**str00dles1**

For this ks will it have the new faction and weapons rules talked about?

Or is this just for fixed balanced rules from the previius pdf?

**Nostromodamus**

str00dles1 wrote:
For this ks will it have the new faction and weapons rules talked about?

Or is this just for fixed balanced rules from the previius pdf?

It's for a print version of the .pdf rulebook...

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Boosted my pledge for the Peacekeepers. My god this is very quickly becoming a very expensive kickstarter for me. At $154 dollars so far.

**GrimDork**

Did you say this was the first one you've backed or was that someone else? People tend to get spendy the first time they run into kickstarter, and usually their restraint grows in over time

And even if I'm misremembering and that's not the case... if I wasn't so keen to do loads of conversions for this... I'd be right there with you

**Nostromodamus**

GrimDork wrote:
People tend to get spendy the first time they run into kickstarter, and usually their restraint grows in over time

I didn't get that memo

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

GrimDork wrote:
You said this was the first one you've backed? People tend to get spendy the first time they run into kickstarter, and usually their restraint grows in over time

No, this is my third. But the first two were very small with few to no add ons, hence why I'm unfamiliar with the terminology and add on structure.

This is so gonna be worth it though and I expect this will be my last major hobby purchase for this year. (although...I do still want some woodland indians from Warlord for a tribal warband, and some zombie survivors, and more vault dwellers for my caravanners, and, and and...).

Between TNT, my Lord of the Rings and Hasslefree collections that I'm painting up for a D&D campaign I'm running, and the scores of board game miniatures (Zombicide, Magic the Gathering, Besieged) that my friends at my gaming club are asking (and offering to pay) me to paint, this is shaping up to be a very busy year of hobbying for me.

Edit: oh yeah, and I want some Warlord american GI's to convert into NCR conscripts following Wyrmalla's example.

Spoiler:

**GrimDork**

Oh ok I had someone else then my bad. The woodland indians (plastic!) are on my buy list though I'm holding off for awhile if I can. The survivors are working out very well for conversions so far.

@Nostromodomus it took me quite a few campaigns to finally stop backing so heavily

Also, is that nostromo like the gamepad (or the ship from aliens or whatever), interesting play on words has taken me seeing the name a bunch to even notice its not the famous person

**Nostromodamus**

GrimDork wrote:
Also, is that nostromo like the gamepad (or the ship from aliens or whatever), interesting play on words has taken me seeing the name a bunch to even notice its not the famous person

Like the ship from Alien

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Incidentally can anyone recommend any decent, ideally affordable pieces of building terrain with interiors for TNT?

A few friends have made their own, and I have mountains of ruins from 40k, etc... but i'd love some small houses preferably with windows, and potentially "rooms", with removable roofs?

**Nostromodamus**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Incidentally can anyone recommend any decent, ideally affordable pieces of building terrain with interiors for TNT?

A few friends have made their own, and I have mountains of ruins from 40k, etc... but i'd love some small houses preferably with windows, and potentially "rooms", with removable roofs?

I'm using Mantic 20th Century Battlezones, Wolsung Shanty Town buildings and a variety of pieces from Novus and Secret Weapon for scatter.

There's also a KS right now by Stone Skull Studios for furniture, with one of the lines being Retro Modern. Perfect for Fallout-themed Post-Apoc!

**MLaw**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Incidentally can anyone recommend any decent, ideally affordable pieces of building terrain with interiors for TNT?

A few friends have made their own, and I have mountains of ruins from 40k, etc... but i'd love some small houses preferably with windows, and potentially "rooms", with removable roofs?

Amera plastic molding, Plast Craft Games, Armorcast, Ainsty, Kobblestone, some model railroad terrain, Angry Mojo, 4ground.. There's at least 2 or 3 dozen more. Do NOT get the Warlord Games plastic scenery it is not the right scale. I bought some of the blown out buildings and they're closer to 20-25mm.

Also.. Battle Systems... it says you can still pledge but it looks like there was an update in January that it might've been locked down. I missed that one (Urban Apocalypse) but it would've been good for this.

**Barzam**

Okay, I have another question for you guys who already have the rules. Am I able to make a warband composed entirely of robots? If not, are robots available to all factions?

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Barzam wrote:
Okay, I have another question for you guys who already have the rules. Am I able to make a warband composed entirely of robots? If not, are robots available to all factions?

No. And yes, robots can be purchased as mercenaries. Expensive though iirc.

Preservers have access to robotsnas part of their warband.

A robot warband is a great idea.

**Illumini**

Great to see the model line expanded a bit, not all of my friends are as in to scouring the web for miniatures as me, so full gangs being available for direct purchase sounds great for recruitment.

**Nostromodamus**

I seem to remember Joey (or someone) mentioning Robots as a possible faction in the future, I hope that is accurate as it would be super rad.