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Hello there!
I have been working with a form of chaos army list, this is my current edition. Input is welcome!

HQ

Chaos lord with
MON, Bike, Plasmapistol, Sigil of corruption and the black mace.
185 pt

He is a decent beetstick, that will be able to hold his own, throught pure amount of attacks. Was planning on sending this guys alone into Meqs and other easy targets. Want him to just get stuck in CC.

Troops

6 plague marines with 2 meltaguns
168 pt

6 plague marines with 2 meltaguns
168 pt

Fast attack
6 bikers with Icon of excess, MOS and 2 meltaguns
Champion have Combimelta and power fist.
232 pt

Heldrake with baleflamer 170 pt

Heldrake with baleflamer 170 pt

Heavy Support

Forgefiend with Hades Autocannon 175 pt

3 obliterators with MON 228 pt

Total 1496 pt


The marines are without Rhinos, but they are just supposed to run straight for nearest objektive and stay there. The big squad of bikers are there for drawing his firepower to one flank. They should be tought enough to hold an objektive and have enough tools to hold their own ageinst prettymuch anything but a deathstar.

Heldrakes are my defence ageinst fliers, aswell as my main Infantery clearing tool.

The forgefiend is main tank killing tool supported by Obliterators.

Oblitirators are my ace of all trades, they are good ageinst pretty much anything

I went with MOS bikers instead of MON, cuse i find that missing a invuln save realy hurts. So wanted them to have the FNP.

So what is the biker lord doing? He can't ride with the bikers with a different mark. I dont see him living that long to be honest.

Plasma pistol is an odd choice. If you're set on footslogging plagues I would use plasma for more range.

Try and fit VOTLW on the oblits

This is true, maybe MON bikers are the way to go. Reson i take plasma pistol on him, is to get in some hits before he charges. And i dont have anything else to use the points on.

Im so scared of gets hot on the Marines, and im not scared of infantery, the birds kill infantery so damn well.

But not scared of gets hot on the lord? Frankly shooting with him reduces the change of assault (as you might kill the closest model).

At least the plague marines get an Fnp save

Why are VOTLW something i want on oblitirators?

They are only ld 8 and not fearless.. so if one dies, the other two have good odds of running away..

heavybtakingowa wrote:


I went with MOS bikers instead of MON, cuse i find that missing a invuln save realy hurts. So wanted them to have the FNP.

How are they getting FNP from MoS? MoS gives +1 I. I have ran bikers with it as they are able to take out other imperial squads well since they attack first, but it doesn't give FNP unless I am missing something. If i am please let me know what it is.

I like my forge fiends but I use 2 to take focus off of just one. With it being the only armor you have get ready for every Lascannon on the table to get thrown at it turn one. I know it gets its 5++ but if they are heavy armed it still won't stand a chance.

Here is my recommendation.

Lord-MON, Bike, Sigil, Black Mace, Bolt Pistol (170)

6x Plague Marines with 2 meltas (164)
6x Plague Marines with 2 Meltas (164)

4x Bikers, MoN, 2 Meltas, Champ with a lightning claw. (claw vise power fist so he doesn't attack at I1) (159)
Heldrake
Heldrake

Forgefiend
Forgefiend
2x Oblits MoN

I fell this has a bit more survivability against big guns. Dropping your bikers to 4 isn't as big a deal because you can attach your lord now, and they will still wipe infantry off of objectives until your PM arrive.

Let me know how the list works either way.

Meltas on the plague marines is kinda pointless unless they're in a rhino. The 12" range is just not good enough on foot sloggers. Plasma guns are the way to go with a far superior range.

I don't understand the black mace on the Lord? You've said you want to throw him in to MEQ? But the mace is only AP4, So he may have a bucket load of attacks, but they're not all that strong, and they won't ignore MEQ armour.... He doesn't seem like that much of a beatstick to me. For what you want him to do you would be better with a Lord on a juggernaut with the Axe of Blind Fury.

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Meltas on the plague marines is kinda pointless unless they're in a rhino. The 12" range is just not good enough on foot sloggers. Plasma guns are the way to go with a far superior range.

I do agree, but if you are using them yo hold objectives it is nice to have a melta incase another transport rolls up to drop off troops. and if not you still have a S8 weapon incase a MC or something shows up.

Son of aY3ti wrote:

heavybtakingowa wrote:


I went with MOS bikers instead of MON, cuse i find that missing a invuln save realy hurts. So wanted them to have the FNP.

How are they getting FNP from MoS? MoS gives +1 I. I have ran bikers with it as they are able to take out other imperial squads well since they attack first, but it doesn't give FNP unless I am missing something. If i am please let me know what it is.

MoS unlocks the Banner of Excess, which gives the unit FnP

Son of aY3ti wrote:

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Meltas on the plague marines is kinda pointless unless they're in a rhino. The 12" range is just not good enough on foot sloggers. Plasma guns are the way to go with a far superior range.

I do agree, but if you are using them yo hold objectives it is nice to have a melta incase another transport rolls up to drop off troops. and if not you still have a S8 weapon incase a MC or something shows up.

Granted, but it's only a -1 strength difference. And plasma can deal with most transports.

Fist/Claw on the lord instead of the Black Mace IMHO.

Agree with the others about plasma vs Melta. Even if the transport is in range, then popping it is pointless as the troops are in range by then anyway. You might be sad if you get a dreadnaught in your face, but eh, what're ya gonna do, you can't fix everything. Maybe drop down to 5 plauge marines and use the points to put melta bombs on everyone?

 Robisagg wrote:

Son of aY3ti wrote:

heavybtakingowa wrote:


I went with MOS bikers instead of MON, cuse i find that missing a invuln save realy hurts. So wanted them to have the FNP.

How are they getting FNP from MoS? MoS gives +1 I. I have ran bikers with it as they are able to take out other imperial squads well since they attack first, but it doesn't give FNP unless I am missing something. If i am please let me know what it is.

MoS unlocks the Banner of Excess, which gives the unit FnP

Thank you

Drasius wrote:
Fist/Claw on the lord instead of the Black Mace IMHO.

Agree with the others about plasma vs Melta. Even if the transport is in range, then popping it is pointless as the troops are in range by then anyway. You might be sad if you get a dreadnaught in your face, but eh, what're ya gonna do, you can't fix everything. Maybe drop down to 5 plauge marines and use the points to put melta bombs on everyone?

But the black mace gives him so much more utelity. He is good vs Meq, not for the armour pen, but the instakill abilety from the mace. And the mace makes him even more awsome vs other infantery. Like orks and Tyranids.

Why not take MoK juggerlord w/ Axe of Blind fury + powerfist and a Spawn bodyguard? It's cheaper than taking a MoN lord /w MoN bikers and it's a lot more choppy. You lose the 3+ on the bodyguard but gain double the amount of wounds so it'll survive longer vs AP3.

Obviously you're losing 2 meltaguns and 2 boltguns but I think it's a better unit overall.


Kind of off-topic:
If you really want to have a Black Mace in your list, take a DP of Nurgle instead, because he gives the mace AP2 because he's a MC.
That's be something like:
DP of Nurgle, ML3, Wings, Black Mace Spell Familiar 335 Pts.
2+ jink save (with no downside since you don't have shooting). Hope for iron arm and you've got yourself a Str9 T8 rape machine.
Just don't make the thing fly, you can jink while on the ground anyway.

[quote=Kind of off-topic:
If you really want to have a Black Mace in your list, take a DP of Nurgle instead, because he gives the mace AP2 because he's a MC.
That's be something like:
DP of Nurgle, ML3, Wings, Black Mace Spell Familiar 335 Pts.
2+ jink save (with no downside since you don't have shooting). Hope for iron arm and you've got yourself a Str9 T8 rape machine.
Just don't make the thing fly, you can jink while on the ground anyway.

The mace won't do terrible.... But I still feel he doesn't make sense. He's riding in a unit of bikers that have two melta guns.... So they're aiming at armour or MEQ/TEQ... do the black mace is basically useless against armour and pretty much the same for TEQ.... it could be OK against MEQ I guess....

The mace does kind of belong to a DP. You're model count would drop significantly if you took one. But if I was to take a winged nurgle DP I probably wouldn't take a second helldrake. Meaning you'd probably be able to keep your bike squad.... But then you lose plague marines as troops, so I can't understand your reluctance to take a prince.

Of course the other option is unbound.....

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:


Of course the other option is unbound.....

The title says he wants it for tourney. not many let you go unbound unforchunantly.

Son of aY3ti wrote:

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:


Of course the other option is unbound.....

The title says he wants it for tourney. not many let you go unbound unforchunantly.

Yeah, that really winds me up. It's a perfectly legal way of selecting your army as per the BRB so why can't people take unbound lists to tournaments. It's just TO's and such throwing their toys out the pram.

I run my Nurgle Biker Lord pretty much the same but instead of the pistol a better use for those 15 points would be to just give him a Power Axe. He'll still have 5 attacks on the charge with it if you have to kill some 2+ armour. I love the mace and it can pull off some pretty funny shenanigans if you get in a tight spot.

Good luck

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:

Son of aY3ti wrote:

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:


Of course the other option is unbound.....

The title says he wants it for tourney. not many let you go unbound unforchunantly.

Yeah, that really winds me up. It's a perfectly legal way of selecting your army as per the BRB so why can't people take unbound lists to tournaments. It's just TO's and such throwing their toys out the pram.

I agree my FLGS is relatively lax. We do several tourneys; almost weekly. using unbound isn't much of an issue. We allow super heavy in any tourney 2000 point or more. They just ask that it stays "friendly" and if you get to crazy something might get said then.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
They are only ld 8 and not fearless.. so if one dies, the other two have good odds of running away..

Obliterators have the Daemon special rule which makes them fearless.

sand.zzz wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
They are only ld 8 and not fearless.. so if one dies, the other two have good odds of running away..

Obliterators have the Daemon special rule which makes them fearless.

I'm afraid not. The daemon special rule grants them fear and a 5+ invulnerable. It most definitely does not make them fearless.

Power Fist & Lightning Claw is about the same price as The Black Mace. It gives you fewer attacks but it gives you a hell of a lot more options.