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2015/01/14 20:20:47
Subject: So Break.com licensed my gym fail and now I find it popping up all over the internet...haha
Good to see no permanent damage, had a friend jack himself up good doing that.
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2015/01/14 21:05:52
Subject: So Break.com licensed my gym fail and now I find it popping up all over the internet...haha
You probably shouldn't do that
In all seriousness though, what happened? Just overestimated yourself (weve all done it before hahaha)?
I dropped a ton of weight on my chest a while back because my spotter wasnt paying attention XD
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2015/01/14 22:20:31
Subject: So Break.com licensed my gym fail and now I find it popping up all over the internet...haha
Dreadwinter wrote: Holy crap, that looks like it could have gone really bad. What caused you to fall/drop the weights?
judging by the form on his successful lift, he's not pushing through his heels. rather he's lifting "on his toes" (his knees go quite a ways in front of his toes), as that happens, you have to compensate by "locking" the knees, which anyone who's done a major change of command ceremony in the military knows, causes blood to not get to the head properly and results in passing out.
2015/01/15 00:02:11
Subject: So Break.com licensed my gym fail and now I find it popping up all over the internet...haha
If you are going to lift weights without a spotter ALWAYS use the pulley weights. You get a similar workout to the freeweights, the difference isn't worth the risk.
Even if you can handle the weight you select you have to account for slippages. It's not worth it.
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2015/01/15 00:57:54
Subject: So Break.com licensed my gym fail and now I find it popping up all over the internet...haha
Orlanth wrote: If you are going to lift weights without a spotter ALWAYS use the pulley weights. You get a similar workout to the freeweights, the difference isn't worth the risk.
Even if you can handle the weight you select you have to account for slippages. It's not worth it.
Ehh.... not really. I mean, sure you could use a Smith Machine for front squats, back squats or even zercher squats... but by having that guide to fall back on, you are almost completely eliminating a bunch of the stabilizer muscles that make squats such an effective lift.
Once you get into the 300+ weight territory, yeah, I would ALWAYS have at least one spotter.... and while we're at it, I always check my safety catches before basically every set (because I also don't usually lift with a spotter, and I'm already broke enough as it is, lol)
It does seem to me that while the safety catches were set, something went wrong with them, they should have held. I'm not saying this is user error, there could be a design flaw, or a wear and tear issue at hand that is worth looking at before you pile on the weight again.
Also, while searching for pictures of one of the squat racks in the gym I use, I came across this gem:
2015/01/15 01:27:31
Subject: So Break.com licensed my gym fail and now I find it popping up all over the internet...haha
Orlanth wrote: If you are going to lift weights without a spotter ALWAYS use the pulley weights. You get a similar workout to the freeweights, the difference isn't worth the risk.
Yeah, that's not really the case. Pretty easy to responsibly lift on your own using free weights. Like Trex was doing in the video.
Ensis is probably right in regards to why he blacked out. When it happened to me, I locked out on the up of my lunge, got dizzy, and that was all she wrote. But, like Trex, I know how to lift and the catch bars were on so all that happened was that I hit my head a bit and got a healthy dose of embarrassment.
I'm also glad to see the Smith Machine squat hate. So worthless when it comes to squatting.
2015/01/15 01:39:53
Subject: So Break.com licensed my gym fail and now I find it popping up all over the internet...haha
Ehh.... not really. I mean, sure you could use a Smith Machine for front squats, back squats or even zercher squats... but by having that guide to fall back on, you are almost completely eliminating a bunch of the stabilizer muscles that make squats such an effective lift.
Once you get into the 300+ weight territory, yeah, I would ALWAYS have at least one spotter.... and while we're at it, I always check my safety catches before basically every set (because I also don't usually lift with a spotter, and I'm already broke enough as it is, lol)
I agree with checking the safety bars, but as to needing a spotter at 300+...it really depends on your ability and, to a lesser extent, your experience. For example, having lifted for 14 years I know when I should stop if I don't have a spotter.
I've seen that at college gyms several times. Its more prevalent with cardio equipment, but it isn't uncommon for some of the more popular lifting equipment to have the same.
cincydooley wrote: Pretty easy to responsibly lift on your own using free weights. Like Trex was doing in the video.
SRM without a spotter is always irresponsible.
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2015/01/15 02:36:16
Subject: So Break.com licensed my gym fail and now I find it popping up all over the internet...haha
Orlanth wrote: If you are going to lift weights without a spotter ALWAYS use the pulley weights. You get a similar workout to the freeweights, the difference isn't worth the risk.
Yeah, that's not really the case. Pretty easy to responsibly lift on your own using free weights. Like Trex was doing in the video.
Ensis is probably right in regards to why he blacked out. When it happened to me, I locked out on the up of my lunge, got dizzy, and that was all she wrote. But, like Trex, I know how to lift and the catch bars were on so all that happened was that I hit my head a bit and got a healthy dose of embarrassment.
I'm also glad to see the Smith Machine squat hate. So worthless when it comes to squatting.
Yeah that was a perfect example of responsible lifting, with that amount of weight you need to have some to stand watch.
I can only use the Smith Machine because of my bad left knee (due to a motorbike accident) it is not good for form but saying it is worthless is taking it a bit far.
Orlanth wrote: If you are going to lift weights without a spotter ALWAYS use the pulley weights. You get a similar workout to the freeweights, the difference isn't worth the risk.
Even if you can handle the weight you select you have to account for slippages. It's not worth it.
This is flat out incorrect. If it were true, all IFBB pros would be using "pulley weights." As it is, they do not.
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Yeah that was a perfect example of responsible lifting, with that amount of weight you need to have some to stand watch.
I mean, I don't really agree. Literally the only thing a spotter on squats will do is help you bail. It's not like they're going to catch the weight or help you like on a bench press. It wouldn't have helped in an instance where Trex blacked out, IMO.
I can only use the Smith Machine because of my bad left knee (due to a motorbike accident) it is not good for form but saying it is worthless is taking it a bit far.
Why not just do dumbbell squats then?
There are so many better ways to squat than using the Smith machine that I'm fairly comfortable sticking with my comment.
2015/01/15 02:53:52
Subject: Re:So Break.com licensed my gym fail and now I find it popping up all over the internet...haha
PS: Those bars are supposed to catch the weight...did one break or just slip loose? Looks like you might have a bone to pick with the manufacturer of that equipment if the safety bar failed.
I mean, I don't really agree. Literally the only thing a spotter on squats will do is help you bail. It's not like they're going to catch the weight or help you like on a bench press.
Spotters never catch the weight, even on bench they merely add stability and take some of the weight off the actual lifter so he can finish his rep or get weight off his chest.
When a single spotter spots a squat, all he is doing is adding stability and helping the lifter maintain good posture. With a three person spot, the aim is to ensure that the lifter doesn't have to bail at all as the side spotters take weight off the lifter.
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2015/01/15 03:16:21
Subject: So Break.com licensed my gym fail and now I find it popping up all over the internet...haha
I mean, I don't really agree. Literally the only thing a spotter on squats will do is help you bail. It's not like they're going to catch the weight or help you like on a bench press.
Spotters never catch the weight, even on bench they merely add stability and take some of the weight off the actual lifter so he can finish his rep or get weight off his chest.
Apparently I should have been more specific when I typed "help you" in my statement. But the king of pedantry is in this thread, so I should have known better.
When a single spotter spots a squat, all he is doing is adding stability and helping the lifter maintain good posture. With a three person spot, the aim is to ensure that the lifter doesn't have to bail at all as the side spotters take weight off the lifter.
Must be nice having three people to spot you. Can't say I've had that since I played college sports. But if you can buy em, smoke em!
Again, I'll maintain that a single spotter on a squat can do very little other than help you bail by pushing the weight forward. Which, again, wouldn't have helped here.
2015/01/15 03:52:10
Subject: So Break.com licensed my gym fail and now I find it popping up all over the internet...haha
Once you get into the 300+ weight territory, yeah, I would ALWAYS have at least one spotter.... and while we're at it, I always check my safety catches before basically every set (because I also don't usually lift with a spotter, and I'm already broke enough as it is, lol)
I agree with checking the safety bars, but as to needing a spotter at 300+...it really depends on your ability and, to a lesser extent, your experience. For example, having lifted for 14 years I know when I should stop if I don't have a spotter.
Yeah, I should caveat that 300+ statement. I have a good army buddy of mine who can 3 rep max 625.... Obviously, anything in the 300 range is barely a warmup, lol
I also agree on experience, as just monday I stood up in the rack with the bar on my back and instantly knew that squat wasn't gonna happen. In this case, it was just my centering on the bar, so it was just a quick rerack, center and go again.
2015/01/15 04:00:48
Subject: So Break.com licensed my gym fail and now I find it popping up all over the internet...haha
Apparently I should have been more specific when I typed "help you" in my statement. But the king of pedantry is in this thread, so I should have known better.
You implied that people spotting non-squat lifts can and will catch weight, as distinct from helping the lifter with it, which is wrong outside very specific circumstances.
I corrected a substantive mistake, meaning my comment was not pedantic.
Again, I'll maintain that a single spotter on a squat can do very little other than help you bail by pushing the weight forward.
Sure, if you only do front squats. Pushing the weight forward on a back squat is incredibly dumb, and a single spotter would never be in position to do so anyway. On a heavy front squat you need at least two people to properly spot a lifter.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: In this case, it was just my centering on the bar, so it was just a quick rerack, center and go again.
Yeah, I usually spend a good minute centering the bar regardless of what lift I'm about to engage in.
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2015/01/15 05:14:50
Subject: So Break.com licensed my gym fail and now I find it popping up all over the internet...haha
You implied that people spotting non-squat lifts can and will catch weight, as distinct from helping the lifter with it, which is wrong outside very specific circumstances.
So wait, there are instances where you catch. But only specific ones? So my statement was right, as I indicated BOTH in my statement; catching and helping.
Sure, if you only do front squats. Pushing the weight forward on a back squat is incredibly dumb, and a single spotter would never be in position to do so anyway.
Gee Golly, are you sure? What would happen? Would they push it into the neck of the lifter? Dur whodathunk!
On a heavy front squat you need at least two people to properly spot a lifter.
Sure, if you say so. Or you just bail on the lift, which is really easy to do on a front squat. Only reason it didn't happen here is because Trex blacked out.
2015/01/15 05:33:35
Subject: So Break.com licensed my gym fail and now I find it popping up all over the internet...haha
Orlanth wrote: If you are going to lift weights without a spotter ALWAYS use the pulley weights. You get a similar workout to the freeweights, the difference isn't worth the risk.
Even if you can handle the weight you select you have to account for slippages. It's not worth it.
Ehh.... not really. I mean, sure you could use a Smith Machine for front squats, back squats or even zercher squats... but by having that guide to fall back on, you are almost completely eliminating a bunch of the stabilizer muscles that make squats such an effective lift.
Once you get into the 300+ weight territory, yeah, I would ALWAYS have at least one spotter.... and while we're at it, I always check my safety catches before basically every set (because I also don't usually lift with a spotter, and I'm already broke enough as it is, lol)
It does seem to me that while the safety catches were set, something went wrong with them, they should have held. I'm not saying this is user error, there could be a design flaw, or a wear and tear issue at hand that is worth looking at before you pile on the weight again.
Also, while searching for pictures of one of the squat racks in the gym I use, I came across this gem:
Using the frame to keep his knees and legs straight. I did the same to one deployment work out.
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2015/01/15 06:39:11
Subject: So Break.com licensed my gym fail and now I find it popping up all over the internet...haha
Yeah that was a perfect example of responsible lifting, with that amount of weight you need to have some to stand watch.
I mean, I don't really agree. Literally the only thing a spotter on squats will do is help you bail. It's not like they're going to catch the weight or help you like on a bench press. It wouldn't have helped in an instance where Trex blacked out, IMO.
I can only use the Smith Machine because of my bad left knee (due to a motorbike accident) it is not good for form but saying it is worthless is taking it a bit far.
Why not just do dumbbell squats then?
There are so many better ways to squat than using the Smith machine that I'm fairly comfortable sticking with my comment.
Others already commented on your first statement, don't have to add to it.
The reason i use a smith machine is that my knee just buckles some times, i can quickly stop the bar from going down that's the main reason, I think the smith has its merit, good for beginners and people who have similar issues like mine.
Dreadwinter wrote:Holy crap, that looks like it could have gone really bad. What caused you to fall/drop the weights?
Jollydevil wrote:You probably shouldn't do that
In all seriousness though, what happened? Just overestimated yourself (weve all done it before hahaha)?
I dropped a ton of weight on my chest a while back because my spotter wasnt paying attention XD
I racked the bar incorrectly across my front delts and had it pressed to close to my neck. It cut off blood flow and I started to black out before I could rerack the weight.
PrehistoricUFO wrote:Good to see you didn't have an extended stay in snap city bro. Was it at least gonna be a PR?
Stay safe in the chapel dude, keep chasin' them gains.
It would've been a 20lb PR for Front Squat. I'll try again in a few months.
As far as spotters go, I've never used one for squats. I don't grind reps. If I can get out of the hole I have the lift. If I can't, I let it drop onto the safety bars. Here's a good example. Couldn't get out of the hole and just squatted back down with it. Doesn't really work for bench though.
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2015/01/16 02:45:54
Subject: So Break.com licensed my gym fail and now I find it popping up all over the internet...haha
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