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I enjoyed the Game, had a blast playing it even if the story was pretty generic, it was a step in the right direction for GW video games.

I mean we had the greatness that was the DoW series (other than Retribution's Campaign), the interesting piece of work that was Firewarrior (my old laptop actually refused to install it and auto ejected the disk). Then we got our action adventure 3rd person shooter, and its multiplayer. I just wish it had dedicated servers.

The movie how ever was bad, just bad. Though I will admit I enjoyed the Apothecary.

Captain: "The Emperor Protects.."
Apothecary: "But a fully loaded Bolter never hurt either."

It also made playing Ultramarines with Boltguns more fun to play in The Last Stand in DoW 2 because you could spam "WE MARCH FOR MACRAGGE!" and have a friend respond "AND WE SHALL KNOW NO FEAR!"

I LOVE the Space Marine game.

I HATE the Ultramarine Movie

The Space Marine video game was awesome. Excellent fluffy view of the world of the IoM. Even if you knew nothing about the 40k universe you can't tell me that game wasn't fun. Real top notch cinematics. It was better made than Dawn of War imo -DoW always ran like crap even on my top of the line machine. Though it was strictly space marine focused is probably it's only downside. It even had real fun competitive multiplier.

I think the Ultramarines tend to be very poor in general if you're going to choose a character to write about. Boring Mary Sues the lot of them, bar one or two.

In fact, Space Marines generally suck fiction-wise. Their motivations are boring by default due to their inability to interact with normal society. The variety in Chapter styles and characters means you can have a fun read with them, but never a good one. They work far better as secondary characters and combat plot tools for characters that actually do have lives that don't involve what is essentially the life of a monk with occasional combat.

The film was..ok. I still play the game every so often and quite enjoy a blast on it. I also don't get the hate for Ultramarines. *shrugs*

 sarpedons-right-hand wrote:
The film was..ok. I still play the game every so often and quite enjoy a blast on it. I also don't get the hate for Ultramarines. *shrugs*

The hate for the Ultramarines is comparable to the hate for the New England Patriots. Too much winning, plus they are blue.

When the movie came out, a group of friends and I watched it. We were very disappointed.

The game I enjoyed, it wasn't amazing, but I still play it every now and then.

The game was fun. Really fun, actually. It had problems, but I had a blast playing through it.

The game is very solid and surprisingly accurate, although in the lore the toughness is arguably shifted more to passive than active survivability.

The movie is a bad joke.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 sarpedons-right-hand wrote:
The film was..ok. I still play the game every so often and quite enjoy a blast on it. I also don't get the hate for Ultramarines. *shrugs*

The hate for the Ultramarines is comparable to the hate for the New England Patriots. Too much winning, plus they are blue.

that and there's an appeal in our culture these days for the edgy rule breaker the fact that the ultramarines wrote the book and follow it is seen as "lame and insufficantly kewl"

truthfully I'd argue that space wolves and ultramarines are almost mirror oppisites of each other in MANY respects. it's suprising the 2 chapters don't seem to have any rivlary or grudge

BrianDavion wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 sarpedons-right-hand wrote:
The film was..ok. I still play the game every so often and quite enjoy a blast on it. I also don't get the hate for Ultramarines. *shrugs*

The hate for the Ultramarines is comparable to the hate for the New England Patriots. Too much winning, plus they are blue.

that and there's an appeal in our culture these days for the edgy rule breaker the fact that the ultramarines wrote the book and follow it is seen as "lame and insufficantly kewl"

truthfully I'd argue that space wolves and ultramarines are almost mirror oppisites of each other in MANY respects. it's suprising the 2 chapters don't seem to have any rivlary or grudge

Captain Uriel and Titus barely even followed the book and eschewed it for creative thinking.

The Ultramarines have forgotten what it means to be an ultramarine. Something The Red Scorpions and Howling Griffons like to prove all the time.

And I mean Titus was going to make his own chapter at the end of the trilogy that the space marine games were going to become.

And Personally I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SEEN IT!

Regarding the movie and the Chaplain's use of the crozius arcanum; There are definitely better ways that could have been depicted. Upon seeing that scene, the first thing I thought was "Wouldn't it be cool if that wave of energy caused the Chaos Marines unholy flesh to literally ignite, fire pouring out of their helmets and slits in their armor?" Yeah I know that is brutal, probably not canon either, but it seems an appropriate reaction to such a faith based weapon.

In regards to the game Space Marine, I don't know. I played the demo, and the game play style disinterested me enough that I still haven't purchased it, even with it having been 75% off at times. I just think there are cooler things that could have been done with it...

 Asherian Command wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 sarpedons-right-hand wrote:
The film was..ok. I still play the game every so often and quite enjoy a blast on it. I also don't get the hate for Ultramarines. *shrugs*

The hate for the Ultramarines is comparable to the hate for the New England Patriots. Too much winning, plus they are blue.

that and there's an appeal in our culture these days for the edgy rule breaker the fact that the ultramarines wrote the book and follow it is seen as "lame and insufficantly kewl"

truthfully I'd argue that space wolves and ultramarines are almost mirror oppisites of each other in MANY respects. it's suprising the 2 chapters don't seem to have any rivlary or grudge

Captain Uriel and Titus barely even followed the book and eschewed it for creative thinking.

The Ultramarines have forgotten what it means to be an ultramarine. Something The Red Scorpions and Howling Griffons like to prove all the time.

And I mean Titus was going to make his own chapter at the end of the trilogy that the space marine games were going to become.

And Personally I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SEEN IT!

I wouldn't have, it would have been aweful. as for the ultramarines ensewing creative thinking, eh as I like to point out if there was no place for that in the codex Mcragge would have gotten eaten by the 'nids. I've always seen the UMs rigid adherance to the codex as more the orginizational aspects of it. the military tactics section is proably more like SunTzu's art of war. broad statements of general stragety, followed by specific examples of the idea in actual use.

I wouldn't have, it would have been aweful. as for the ultramarines ensewing creative thinking, eh as I like to point out if there was no place for that in the codex Mcragge would have gotten eaten by the 'nids. I've always seen the UMs rigid adherance to the codex as more the orginizational aspects of it. the military tactics section is proably more like SunTzu's art of war. broad statements of general stragety, followed by specific examples of the idea in actual use.

I disagree, I think that it would of been interesting as we only know what one of the writers planned, but that would of changed quite a bit through the course of the series.

I've only seen pieces of the movie but don't like it all that much.

Space Marine. The Game, was a glorious battle from end to end. It didn't paint the ultramarines (expecially Captain "I removed a Demon Chaos Lords face/spine/everything with my bare hands, while falling at terminal velocity" Titus) as stuck up beat-all sues. THe Orks were a great foe to smash through.

The multiplayer, at least the Horde mode or whatever its called which is the only thing I've played is awesome. slaughtering xenos left and right.

 GreaterGoodIreland wrote:
I think the Ultramarines tend to be very poor in general if you're going to choose a character to write about. Boring Mary Sues the lot of them, bar one or two.

In fact, Space Marines generally suck fiction-wise. Their motivations are boring by default due to their inability to interact with normal society. The variety in Chapter styles and characters means you can have a fun read with them, but never a good one. They work far better as secondary characters and combat plot tools for characters that actually do have lives that don't involve what is essentially the life of a monk with occasional combat.

I disagree. I think the DA, Crimson Fists, Imperial Fists, and Iron Hands are great lore to read. The Ultramarines are a little too perfectionist, but I think most of the other chapters are fascinating.

The SW are a little too circus freaks for me and the BA are one step away from Chaos

The Crozius Arcanum was perhaps too old-skool a reference for common consumption: back in 1st edition a Crozius ARCANUM was defined as having a built in neuro-disruptor, a short range pistol that inflicted stupidity on the enemy.

The Space Marine game made a lot of mistakes when it came to the actual fluff on 40k but being able to take on the role of a Space Marine was pretty awesome and I enjoyed the gameplay and the atmosphere of the game and didn't pay a lot of attention to the fluff. Ultimately, my go to 40k games are Dawn of War and Space Hulk.

I haven't seen the movie...and there is a reason for that.

The Ultramerines move was mostly meh.

The 40k Space Marine video game was good and is probably the best representation and feel of a Space Marine in a video game.

I'm just gonna get this one out of the way. I know everybody hates the Ultramarines movie ( and to a slightly lesser extent, the Ultramarines themselves ) but honestly I feel like complaining about the fluff inconsistencies is kind of silly. I've seen countless discussions about how much of a mess Warhammer's writing is and how much it contradicts itself, so I can't help but feel like attacking it for not perfectly portraying -insert your favorite piece of fluff here- is just dumb, when every other story and fluff piece in 40K is already horribly contradicting itself. Yes the story is predictable and simple, yes the CGI is very dated, and yes overall it's a pretty underwhelming movie, but I still found it all to be a bit charming. It's simple, and feels more like a low budget fan film more than anything, but seeing as we don't really have much other quality movies out there for Warhammer, I'll take what I can get.

As for the game, I have no idea what you're talking about OP. The Space Marine video game was pretty well received among fans from what I've seen. At worst it got mixed reviews from critics, but overall it's a very solid game. Probably my favorite 40K game, with Dawn of War either a close second or tying. It's a bit short and repetitive, and the multiplayer is pretty much dead and suffers from an imbalanced unlock system to begin with, but I feel like it makes for a very enjoyable game that does a good job of putting you right in the fray and bringing some of our favorite characters to life.

Honestly I think the Warhammer fanbase is a very tough crowd to please. Everyone has their favorite story, favorite race, etc. and they all want to see them portrayed properly, but there's always going to be something wrong.

Just my two cents, people love to complain and be overly critical. Case in point, here I am complaining about the complainers!

A big problem with the Ultramarines movie was that it was about the Ultramarines, not so much because they suck, but because their 'thing' is that they are the most dogmatic of chapters, therefor their biggest fans are usually dyed in the wool dogmatists, so to take the Ultramarines and NOT stick 100% to established canon is just asking to alienate the people who are most likely to like it. Relic knew what they were doing when they decided to make their own chapter so they could do what they liked with it.

The movie also screwed up by leaving a few salient points out, ie: putting the reason for sending a single squad of n00bs on the mission in the accompanying comic instead of putting it in the frickin film.

 Gashrog wrote:
A big problem with the Ultramarines movie was that it was about the Ultramarines, not so much because they suck, but because their 'thing' is that they are the most dogmatic of chapters, therefor their biggest fans are usually dyed in the wool dogmatists, so to take the Ultramarines and NOT stick 100% to established canon is just asking to alienate the people who are most likely to like it. Relic knew what they were doing when they decided to make their own chapter so they could do what they liked with it.

The movie also screwed up by leaving a few salient points out, ie: putting the reason for sending a single squad of n00bs on the mission in the accompanying comic instead of putting it in the frickin film.

The captain said they were the only ones there. I forget where the others were, but he stated the closest marines were light years away.


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 Bubbles wrote:
I'm just gonna get this one out of the way. I know everybody hates the Ultramarines movie ( and to a slightly lesser extent, the Ultramarines themselves ) but honestly I feel like complaining about the fluff inconsistencies is kind of silly. I've seen countless discussions about how much of a mess Warhammer's writing is and how much it contradicts itself, so I can't help but feel like attacking it for not perfectly portraying -insert your favorite piece of fluff here- is just dumb, when every other story and fluff piece in 40K is already horribly contradicting itself. Yes the story is predictable and simple, yes the CGI is very dated, and yes overall it's a pretty underwhelming movie, but I still found it all to be a bit charming. It's simple, and feels more like a low budget fan film more than anything, but seeing as we don't really have much other quality movies out there for Warhammer, I'll take what I can get.

As for the game, I have no idea what you're talking about OP. The Space Marine video game was pretty well received among fans from what I've seen. At worst it got mixed reviews from critics, but overall it's a very solid game. Probably my favorite 40K game, with Dawn of War either a close second or tying. It's a bit short and repetitive, and the multiplayer is pretty much dead and suffers from an imbalanced unlock system to begin with, but I feel like it makes for a very enjoyable game that does a good job of putting you right in the fray and bringing some of our favorite characters to life.

Honestly I think the Warhammer fanbase is a very tough crowd to please. Everyone has their favorite story, favorite race, etc. and they all want to see them portrayed properly, but there's always going to be something wrong.

Just my two cents, people love to complain and be overly critical. Case in point, here I am complaining about the complainers!

I guess it was more the critics. I loved the game, but I've seen a lot of people slam it for the mechanics. I liked the mechanics, but I can see it getting repetitive. I'm sad, supposedly it was going to be a trilogy.

Aside from all the other problems with the movie that have already been posted here, allow me to point out that the unhelmeted marines looked like wrinkly old men instead of vibrant and strong warriors. I get that space marines can be hundreds of years old, but the background gives the impression that they wouldn't particularly look it.

I know they wanted the art direction to pay homage to the actors voicing the characters but they didn't have to copy every single wrinkle.

Also the lack of any semblance of military discipline among the marines was jaw droppingly atrocious. I mean really insubordination from the younger squad members, what is up with that?

The biggest problems with the movie (and oh boy were there plenty) was the promises it failed to live up to. For example, oh brilliant they brought a landspeeder. Now I get to see what has long been one of my favourite bits of SM kit perform how I imagine it does on my table top....wait what? IT DID NOTHING!
And this theme continued throughout.

Was talking about this with my Monday night gaming group and we all agree there is a gap in GW market. the solution? A series of web exclusive short episodes of animated tales from the 40k universe. Think about the very first "Clone Wars" shorts. beautifully yet simply animated that told a whole story in 5-10 minutes and had you hook in the first 10 seconds. this format could be used to tell any kind of tale and lets face it, if well done we would all be opening our wallets for them.

The movie is indescribably awful, it's rotten down to the very core. The game however was fairly good, although the shear amount of Chaos Space Marines and Nobs you kill in the game is utterly ridiculous and bordering on wankery. You kill enough CSM's and CSM aspiring champions to have wiped out two full Warbands.

I can buy him bagging a Daemon Prince mid-transformation if he's a blank, but murdering tens of nobs and nearly a hundred Chaos Space Marines is just too much.

 Wyzilla wrote:
The movie is indescribably awful, it's rotten down to the very core. The game however was fairly good, although the shear amount of Chaos Space Marines and Nobs you kill in the game is utterly ridiculous and bordering on wankery. You kill enough CSM's and CSM aspiring champions to have wiped out two full Warbands.

I can buy him bagging a Daemon Prince mid-transformation if he's a blank, but murdering tens of nobs and nearly a hundred Chaos Space Marines is just too much.

He has plot armor, he's invincible

 Wyzilla wrote:
The movie is indescribably awful, it's rotten down to the very core. The game however was fairly good, although the shear amount of Chaos Space Marines and Nobs you kill in the game is utterly ridiculous and bordering on wankery. You kill enough CSM's and CSM aspiring champions to have wiped out two full Warbands.

I can buy him bagging a Daemon Prince mid-transformation if he's a blank, but murdering tens of nobs and nearly a hundred Chaos Space Marines is just too much.

eh it's a video game, in ANY video game the kill count tends to be inflated what it realisticly should be. by the end of wing commander 3, jusrt for example, I have something like 300+ kills

 Wyzilla wrote:
The movie is indescribably awful, it's rotten down to the very core. The game however was fairly good, although the shear amount of Chaos Space Marines and Nobs you kill in the game is utterly ridiculous and bordering on wankery. You kill enough CSM's and CSM aspiring champions to have wiped out two full Warbands.

I can buy him bagging a Daemon Prince mid-transformation if he's a blank, but murdering tens of nobs and nearly a hundred Chaos Space Marines is just too much.

He's a champion of Khorne. He just doesn't know it.

That's just going to be a problem inherent to action video games, with not much to do about it. Not going to be a very fun game if you don't get to put your bolter to use.