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I'd put it 140 base, +30 for optional assault cannon sponsons.

Logic being I priced it as the Punisher Russ (variable 2-40 shots rather than fixed 20, but likely to run out of ammo in game, worse armour, better BS)

 Filch wrote:
off topic from above. say if i wanted to homebrew a special weapon mounted on vehicles which is 8 laser guns jury rigged together to provide 8 shots at 24" or 16 shots at 12" at Strength 3 ap -, ehat should its cost be?

if i wanted a usr yo make it deadly what should it be and what is the additional cost?
for example how do you justify it having rending?

With my updated VDR, The base gun would cost 16 points, and there is a section in it on pricing to add USR's. The link is in my signature, have a look!

I've been wanting to smash together a homebrew "Brotherhood of Pskyers" unit for my Blood Ravens to better represent a larger number of pskyers. Planning on smashing it together using mostly robes from the Dark Angels Veterans pack

Anyway, here is a rough draft, not sure how to handle points though...

150 Points

Initiate- WS-4 BS-4 S-4 T-4 W-1 I-4 A-1 Ld-8 Sv- 3+
Lexicanium- WS-4 BS-4 S-4 T-4 W-1 I-4 A-1 Ld-9 Sv-3+

UNIT COMPOSITION
4 Initiates
1 Lexicanium

WARGEAR
Power Armor
Bolt Pistol+CCW/Chain Sword

SPECIAL RULES
ATSKNF
Character (Lexicanium)
Brotherhood of Psykers (Mastery Level 1)
Psyker (Mastery Level 1) (Lexicanium)

PSYKER
Can generate powers from the Telepathy, Telekinesis, or Pyromancy disciplines (Lexicanium generates power separate from the rest of the unit)

OPTIONS
Any Model may replace their Bolt Pistol/CCW for a Bolter for free
Any Model may take a Pyschic Hood at +20 PTS each
Up to two Initiates may replace their Bolt Pistol with one of the following
Plasma Pistol +15 PTS
Storm Bolter +5 PTS

The Lexicanium may replace his Bolt Pistol with a Plasma pistol for +15PTS
The Lexicanium may replace his CCW with a Force Weapon for +15 PTS

No force weapons at all in the unit nor options to take them? I'm not too up on Blood Ravens stuff but the option for the Lexicanium to take a force weapon might be nice. Since they're bought as a squad I'd be tempted to make the Lexicanium a character, not independant.

 Melcavuk wrote:
No force weapons at all in the unit nor options to take them? I'm not too up on Blood Ravens stuff but the option for the Lexicanium to take a force weapon might be nice. Since they're bought as a squad I'd be tempted to make the Lexicanium a character, not independant.

Good points, I did not have my codex at hand for reference and will make the edit
Though it was The Magpies that inspired this unit, my hope was for it to be usable for any chapter that has a considerably high number of psykers to better represent it on the table top

Eldar waypoint
Av12 all the way around. Impassable building with battlements. Shrouded, 2x pulse lasers 130 points.
Built using the updated V.D.R. in my sig

Cicero Critus and the "Sublight Slew"

Cicero Critus is renowned throughout the Astartes not only as the greatest living Space Marine aviator, but also one of the finest in the Imperium's History. following the Mentor Legion's recapture of the Arc Mechanicus "Id Logica" and subsequent return of the ship to the Priests of Mars the chapter was rewarded with the Fire Raptor STC, which techmarine Critus modified to form the 'Mentor Modification" pattern optimized for interception and fleet defence duties. His personal aircraft, the "Sublight Slew" is known throughout the eastern fringe due to the lethality of it's pilot.

300 Points, Heavy Support Choice

As a Fire Raptor with quad heavy bolters with BS 5
It has the following special rules

Mentor Modified: Vehicle looses the Hover and Ceramite Plating special rules. It gains Vector Dancer and It Will Not Die. In addition, the side sponsons have a 180 degree fire arc and can fire directly ahead or behind.

All To Easy-- Critus ignores all jink saves. All his missiles have the 'auto savant' rule if fired at a flyer or fmc

Oldest and Boldest-- After both sides have deployed but before rolling to seize the iniative, pick the turn that Critus will arrive. Critus has +1 to all his jink saves and his snapshots hit on a role of 5+. If shot down, he awards 1 VP just like Slay the Warlord.

Ork Kustum Gargant superheavy walker 2100 points
WS2 BS2 ST10 armor F14 S13 R13 I1 A5 HP27
wargear
Big'n'killy choppa: strD ap2
Da supa boomgun: 60" st10 ap3 apocalyptic blast
Kustum Mega Destroya: 36" strD ap2 heavy3 large blast gets hot
4x kannons
2x twinlinked zzap guns
1 twinlinked traitor cannon
8 suparokkits
8 Ork fields
6 twinlinked big shootas
Transport 20
Effigy of Gork (or Mork) all Orks within 12" are fearless

Created using the V.D.R. linked in my sig

How about somthing Isha ML1 per figure and exarch ML2 and have a copolsiry spell sheild of ish giving +2 to invuln to a max of 2 well the idea is aspects of isha or ynnead or whatever his name is. the idea is aspects of a eldar god maybe even of khaine.

Las-Predator squadron: Fills 1 heavy support slot
3 predators140 pts each.
May upgrade 1 predator to squadron leader for 30 points.. It gains bs5 and split fire for the squadron.

1500-1750 pts
One Ork Gargant, Super Heavy Walker: WS3 BS2 S10 F14 S14 R12 I1 A3 HP18 +3 void shields.

Transport 20, Access point in the rear, 4 fire points on model

Ork Reactor Meltdown: Once the Ork gargant is reduced to 0HP all units within 4d6 Suffer a str DS hit!

War gear(body): 1 Belly gun (Range:72" Str7 AP3 Ordinance 1, Blast 3d6***) (***Roll 3d6 to determine the blast radius then roll scatter like normal using the arrow to scatter if the "hit" icon is shown)
1 Deff Arsenal (range 120" Str 9 Ap3 Heavy 3D6+d3 Supa-Rokkits)

War gear Arms:
Fist of Gork (Range 180'" str D ap2 Primary weapon 1, Massive Blast)
Teeth of Mork (Range 72" str 8 ap3 Primary weapon 2d6* large blast) (* if a result on 2d6 is a 2 the weapon jams and cannot be fired this turn, it is back up and running in the following turn, if the result is a 12 the gun spins our of control firing 12 shots scattering, the weapon is then destroyed)
MEGA KLAW, if the Gargant is within 9" of an enemy vehicle in the assault phase on a 3+ the vehicle is picked up and tossed 24" (place the large blast marker over where you want to toss the vehicle and resolve scatter. Each model under the blast suffers a wound and vehicles suffer d3 glancing hits (all saves allowed)

+40pts Shoulder mounted grot sponsons Quad gun Skyfire interceptor 4)

Looted Vehicles:

Orks can loot any vehicle in any codex.

If a vehicle is looted add the following special rules:
Open Topped
Don't Press Dat
Barely Held Together:
if the vehicle suffers a explosion roll a D6:
1: Vehicle explodes like normal except all hits a str 5 not str 4
2 - 5: Vehicle is a wreck
6: Vehicle goes 2D6 in a random direction, and the wrecks

If a vehicle is looted make the following changes to the profile:
BS WS (if the vehicle is a walker)
2 4

Add the ability to take selections both from the parent army's codex and the Ork vehicle equipment chart, or potentially some of the options available to the mekboy junka to Ork it up a little.

And it feels like it should lose 1-2 AV's.

And lose 50% of points cost.

Kraken Tank Destroyer: 165 pts

BS: 3 AV: 12 12 10 HP: 3

Wargear:
Turret Mounted Vanquisher Battle Cannon w/Coaxial Heavy Stubber
Hull mounted Heavy Bolter
Smoke Launchers
Search Lights

Special Rules:
Coaxial Stubber
Open-Topped
Fast

Coaxial Stubber:
Upon a successful hit with this weapon the Vanquisher Battle Cannon gains the Twin-linked USR until the end of the phase.

Options:
May Replace the Vanquisher Battle Cannon for...

Battle Cannon.... Free
Executioner Plasma Cannon.... 25 pts
Demolisher cannon.... 30 pts

Basically a TD for the 41st Millennium. It has an open turret and is mounted on a Chimera chassis.

The Thunderer Siege tank is 140 pts (with Demolisher), with Leman Russ armor, it isn't fast nor does it have the extra weapons.

195pts for yours feels way too high.

Its also only 5 pts cheaper than a Vanquisher with coax-heavy stubber, at least under the 6th ed Krieg rules, and at this point I prefer a turreted sturdier version of the tank.

Also if you want an idea of how much the special cannons on a LR are worth, the Krieg list has them listed, rather than making a new entry for every pattern, they made every gun an upgrade so you can use their value for your vehicle.

Not a new unit but a modification to an existing unit.
I would love to be able to swap the laser rifle on my conscripts for:
2x close combat weapons – free
or
Close combat weapon plus shield(6++) 2pts per model

Anything that allows me my fantasy vs sci-fi silliness

Here's my first try. The Dark Eldar (insert name here)! A transport killer that can then take out the passengers.

WS - 4
BS - 4
S - 5
I - 5
A - 2
F - 12
S - 12
R - 12
Fast Skimmer, shrouded
2x TL Heatlance
2x powerfist
175 points
I tried to use the vehicle design rules, not sure if I did it right.

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
Here's my first try. The Dark Eldar (insert name here)! A transport killer that can then take out the passengers.

WS - 4
BS - 4
S - 5
I - 5
A - 2
F - 12
S - 12
R - 12
Fast Skimmer, shrouded
2x TL Heatlance
2x powerfist
175 points
I tried to use the vehicle design rules, not sure if I did it right.

Awesome idea! I don't think a normal vehicle can declare a charge though. If you made it a walker with the jump upgrade, you would have to lower the av, but you'd probably save enough points that you could field a squadron of them. Or, you could make it a chariot for an archon, and have him do the fighting... How many hull points does it have?

Edit: that vehicle would have to be a medium tank, and would be 199 points( I think you missed the points for the second powerfist and tank rule)

Alright, here is the new costing for the Kraken Tank Destroyer:

Kraken Tank Destroyer Squadron: 100 pts/ model

Unit Composition: 0-3 Kraken Tank Destroyers

BS: 3 AV: 12/12/10 HP: 3

Wargear:

Turret Mounted Vanquisher Cannon
Coaxial Heavy Stubber
Smoke Launchers
Searchlights
Hull Mounted Heavy Stubber

Special Rules:
Open Topped
Fast
Coaxial Stubber

Coaxial Stubber: Any successful hits with the coaxial Heavy Stubber confers the Twin-linked USR to the Vanquisher Battle Cannon.

Options:

The Kraken Tank Destroyer may exchange it's Vanquisher Battle Cannon for....

Battle Cannon.... Free
Executioner Plasma Cannon... 10 points
Demolisher Cannon.... 15 points

Any Kraken Tank Destroyer may take items from the Astra Militarium Vehicle Equipment List.

One model in the Squadron may upgrade itself to a Command Tank. This confers BS: 4 and LD: 9 to the vehicle.... 20 points

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
Here's my first try. The Dark Eldar (insert name here)! A transport killer that can then take out the passengers.

WS - 4
BS - 4
S - 5
I - 5
A - 2
F - 12
S - 12
R - 12
Fast Skimmer, shrouded
2x TL Heatlance
2x powerfist
175 points
I tried to use the vehicle design rules, not sure if I did it right.

Awesome idea! I don't think a normal vehicle can declare a charge though. If you made it a walker with the jump upgrade, you would have to lower the av, but you'd probably save enough points that you could field a squadron of them. Or, you could make it a chariot for an archon, and have him do the fighting... How many hull points does it have?

Edit: that vehicle would have to be a medium tank, and would be 199 points( I think you missed the points for the second powerfist and tank rule)

It has 4 HP. Sorry for missing that. It was supposed to be a large skimmer, about the size of the FW Tantalus. I didn't realize vehicles couldn't assault. Hmmm. Maybe drop the powerfists and add a template weapon. Maybe with poison and torrent? Or give it grav talon type rules. I suppose being a tank wouldn't hurt the concept. Any other pointers?

If it has already shot the transport, it can't fire at the occupants. If it was a jump walker, it could what you wanted it to. Give it ignores cover, and have it float like the pain engines do. That will give you the look you wanted, and make the unit unique to your particular kabal/cult/coven with eldar/dark eldar walkers, they are weaker than this, in regards to armor. The only way I could see this harming occupants is to use a flamer template weapon, and add the haywire rule to it. Then it'll hurt vehicles, and possibly toast guys inside if it is open topped.


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 TheCustomLime wrote:
Alright, here is the new costing for the Kraken Tank Destroyer:

Kraken Tank Destroyer Squadron: 100 pts/ model

Unit Composition: 0-3 Kraken Tank Destroyers

BS: 3 AV: 12/12/10 HP: 3

Wargear:

Turret Mounted Vanquisher Cannon
Coaxial Heavy Stubber
Smoke Launchers
Searchlights
Hull Mounted Heavy Stubber

Special Rules:
Open Topped
Fast
Coaxial Stubber

Coaxial Stubber: Any successful hits with the coaxial Heavy Stubber confers the Twin-linked USR to the Vanquisher Battle Cannon.

Options:

The Kraken Tank Destroyer may exchange it's Vanquisher Battle Cannon for....

Battle Cannon.... Free
Executioner Plasma Cannon... 10 points
Demolisher Cannon.... 15 points

Any Kraken Tank Destroyer may take items from the Astra Militarium Vehicle Equipment List.

One model in the Squadron may upgrade itself to a Command Tank. This confers BS: 4 and LD: 9 to the vehicle.... 20 points

This tank would be about 75 points with my V.D.R., it is in my SIG, if you wanted to play around with it. I costed the vanquisher cannon as half of a twinlinked upgrade.

Demon Forge Predator
Heavy Support

pts 130
bs 3
armour; 13/12/10
hp:3

Equipment:
- Hades autocannon
- Search Light
- Smoke Launcher

Special Rules
- Demon
- Demonic possession
- Demon Forge
- It will not die

Additional options
May replace Hades auto-cannon with ecto plasma cannon for free
May take sponsor mounted Heavy boltres - 20 pts each
May take sponsor mounted Bel-flamers -30 pts each

This is new type of predator tank. Magos from dark mechanicsu have modifed existing construction template of predator tank to accommodate demon forge and new weapon types.

Flamelord

Superheavy tank for the Sisters based on the Baneblade chassis.

550 pts

Same as Baneblade except main turret mounts an Inferno Gun (only) and any sponsons mount Multi-meltas instead of Lascannons.

EDIT:

Anyone have any ideas for a Baneblade-based Inquisition superheavy? I was thinking some sort of command superheavy like a tiny Capitol Imperialis. So the Demolisher Cannon stays (mini-Behemoth) and instead of a big main turret it gets lots of Heavy Bolters along the lines of a Malcador Defender. Sponsons can stay as-are. Then a troop capacity along the lines of the Stormlord (40 troops). What do you think?

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
If it has already shot the transport, it can't fire at the occupants. If it was a jump walker, it could what you wanted it to. Give it ignores cover, and have it float like the pain engines do. That will give you the look you wanted, and make the unit unique to your particular kabal/cult/coven with eldar/dark eldar walkers, they are weaker than this, in regards to armor. The only way I could see this harming occupants is to use a flamer template weapon, and add the haywire rule to it. Then it'll hurt vehicles, and possibly toast guys inside if it is open topped.


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 TheCustomLime wrote:
Alright, here is the new costing for the Kraken Tank Destroyer:

Kraken Tank Destroyer Squadron: 100 pts/ model

Unit Composition: 0-3 Kraken Tank Destroyers

BS: 3 AV: 12/12/10 HP: 3

Wargear:

Turret Mounted Vanquisher Cannon
Coaxial Heavy Stubber
Smoke Launchers
Searchlights
Hull Mounted Heavy Stubber

Special Rules:
Open Topped
Fast
Coaxial Stubber

Coaxial Stubber: Any successful hits with the coaxial Heavy Stubber confers the Twin-linked USR to the Vanquisher Battle Cannon.

Options:

The Kraken Tank Destroyer may exchange it's Vanquisher Battle Cannon for....

Battle Cannon.... Free
Executioner Plasma Cannon... 10 points
Demolisher Cannon.... 15 points

Any Kraken Tank Destroyer may take items from the Astra Militarium Vehicle Equipment List.

One model in the Squadron may upgrade itself to a Command Tank. This confers BS: 4 and LD: 9 to the vehicle.... 20 points

This tank would be about 75 points with my V.D.R., it is in my SIG, if you wanted to play around with it. I costed the vanquisher cannon as half of a twinlinked upgrade.

75 points is as bit cheap, isn't it? That's what a Predator with an Autocannon runs for. Then again, it is AV 12 and Open-topped.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
If it has already shot the transport, it can't fire at the occupants. If it was a jump walker, it could what you wanted it to. Give it ignores cover, and have it float like the pain engines do. That will give you the look you wanted, and make the unit unique to your particular kabal/cult/coven with eldar/dark eldar walkers, they are weaker than this, in regards to armor. The only way I could see this harming occupants is to use a flamer template weapon, and add the haywire rule to it. Then it'll hurt vehicles, and possibly toast guys inside if it is open topped.


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 TheCustomLime wrote:
Alright, here is the new costing for the Kraken Tank Destroyer:

Kraken Tank Destroyer Squadron: 100 pts/ model

Unit Composition: 0-3 Kraken Tank Destroyers

BS: 3 AV: 12/12/10 HP: 3

Wargear:

Turret Mounted Vanquisher Cannon
Coaxial Heavy Stubber
Smoke Launchers
Searchlights
Hull Mounted Heavy Stubber

Special Rules:
Open Topped
Fast
Coaxial Stubber

Coaxial Stubber: Any successful hits with the coaxial Heavy Stubber confers the Twin-linked USR to the Vanquisher Battle Cannon.

Options:

The Kraken Tank Destroyer may exchange it's Vanquisher Battle Cannon for....

Battle Cannon.... Free
Executioner Plasma Cannon... 10 points
Demolisher Cannon.... 15 points

Any Kraken Tank Destroyer may take items from the Astra Militarium Vehicle Equipment List.

One model in the Squadron may upgrade itself to a Command Tank. This confers BS: 4 and LD: 9 to the vehicle.... 20 points

This tank would be about 75 points with my V.D.R., it is in my SIG, if you wanted to play around with it. I costed the vanquisher cannon as half of a twinlinked upgrade.

75 points is as bit cheap, isn't it? That's what a Predator with an Autocannon runs for. Then again, it is AV 12 and Open-topped.

Exactly, this particular vehicle can be one shifted into nothing with a lucky auto cannon shot. You could add 5 more points, or allow the coaxial stubber to be lost as part of the main gun, if you wanted. Still gotta play test I'm glad people are looking at the V.D.R., makes me feel good about the time spent on it
Edit, the auto cannon predator is also bs4.

Yes! My post has reached 5 pageeeees!

 Silverthorne wrote:
Cicero Critus and the "Sublight Slew"

Cicero Critus is renowned throughout the Astartes not only as the greatest living Space Marine aviator, but also one of the finest in the Imperium's History. following the Mentor Legion's recapture of the Arc Mechanicus "Id Logica" and subsequent return of the ship to the Priests of Mars the chapter was rewarded with the Fire Raptor STC, which techmarine Critus modified to form the 'Mentor Modification" pattern optimized for interception and fleet defence duties. His personal aircraft, the "Sublight Slew" is known throughout the eastern fringe due to the lethality of it's pilot.

300 Points, Heavy Support Choice

As a Fire Raptor with quad heavy bolters with BS 5
It has the following special rules

Mentor Modified: Vehicle looses the Hover and Ceramite Plating special rules. It gains Vector Dancer and It Will Not Die. In addition, the side sponsons have a 180 degree fire arc and can fire directly ahead or behind.

All To Easy-- Critus ignores all jink saves. All his missiles have the 'auto savant' rule if fired at a flyer or fmc

Oldest and Boldest-- After both sides have deployed but before rolling to seize the iniative, pick the turn that Critus will arrive. Critus has +1 to all his jink saves and his snapshots hit on a role of 5+. If shot down, he awards 1 VP just like Slay the Warlord.

i like that and i love the fluff you wrote. how many heavy bolters does it have?

I want to make a chaos version of that omitting Mentor Modified, All too easy, Oldest and the boldest for malefic ammo which grants rending for all heavy bolters and replace all missiles and other guns for more independent heavy bolters that swivel 180 degrees.

would it cost less than 300?


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 Whiskered wrote:
Demon Forge Predator
Heavy Support

pts 130
bs 3
armour; 13/12/10
hp:3

Equipment:
- Hades autocannon
- Search Light
- Smoke Launcher

Special Rules
- Demon
- Demonic possession
- Demon Forge
- It will not die

Additional options
May replace Hades auto-cannon with ecto plasma cannon for free
May take sponsor mounted Heavy boltres - 20 pts each
May take sponsor mounted Bel-flamers -30 pts each

This is new type of predator tank. Magos from dark mechanicsu have modifed existing construction template of predator tank to accommodate demon forge and new weapon types.

so it gets 4 ac shots at str8? and has option to take side mounted Bale flamers?

 Filch wrote:

 Silverthorne wrote:
Cicero Critus and the "Sublight Slew"

Cicero Critus is renowned throughout the Astartes not only as the greatest living Space Marine aviator, but also one of the finest in the Imperium's History. following the Mentor Legion's recapture of the Arc Mechanicus "Id Logica" and subsequent return of the ship to the Priests of Mars the chapter was rewarded with the Fire Raptor STC, which techmarine Critus modified to form the 'Mentor Modification" pattern optimized for interception and fleet defence duties. His personal aircraft, the "Sublight Slew" is known throughout the eastern fringe due to the lethality of it's pilot.

300 Points, Heavy Support Choice

As a Fire Raptor with quad heavy bolters with BS 5
It has the following special rules

Mentor Modified: Vehicle looses the Hover and Ceramite Plating special rules. It gains Vector Dancer and It Will Not Die. In addition, the side sponsons have a 180 degree fire arc and can fire directly ahead or behind.

All To Easy-- Critus ignores all jink saves. All his missiles have the 'auto savant' rule if fired at a flyer or fmc

Oldest and Boldest-- After both sides have deployed but before rolling to seize the iniative, pick the turn that Critus will arrive. Critus has +1 to all his jink saves and his snapshots hit on a role of 5+. If shot down, he awards 1 VP just like Slay the Warlord.

i like that and i love the fluff you wrote. how many heavy bolters does it have?

I want to make a chaos version of that omitting Mentor Modified, All too easy, Oldest and the boldest for malefic ammo which grants rending for all heavy bolters and replace all missiles and other guns for more independent heavy bolters that swivel 180 degrees.

would it cost less than 300?


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 Whiskered wrote:
Demon Forge Predator
Heavy Support

pts 130
bs 3
armour; 13/12/10
hp:3

Equipment:
- Hades autocannon
- Search Light
- Smoke Launcher

Special Rules
- Demon
- Demonic possession
- Demon Forge
- It will not die

Additional options
May replace Hades auto-cannon with ecto plasma cannon for free
May take sponsor mounted Heavy boltres - 20 pts each
May take sponsor mounted Bel-flamers -30 pts each

This is new type of predator tank. Magos from dark mechanicsu have modifed existing construction template of predator tank to accommodate demon forge and new weapon types.

so it gets 4 ac shots at str8? and has option to take side mounted Bale flamers?

Pretty much yeah, well, put like that it would fit land rider more.