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 whembly wrote:
It's because he's lionized by the lefties in this country.

I think that's what conservatives think.

 Ouze wrote:

 whembly wrote:
It's because he's lionized by the lefties in this country.

I think that's what conservatives think.

Just like lefties believe conservative opposition to Obama is only because he's black... amirite?

I don't know *anyone* over the age of like...20, especially at this point, that thinks much of Michael Moore. The college freshman with a "Che Guevara" shirt maybe, but I don't know any "lefties" that like the guy.

 whembly wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
So... what did Moore say that was actually wrong?

Someone explain it to me, because frankly from my POV most of the hate mongering ITT seems to stem more from just disliking Moore in general than any specific inaccuracy he made in his statement. To wit, if my uncle had been killed by a sniper and I had been raised to dislike snipers my entire life... I'd probably dislike snipers.

That snipers are cowards.

He's saying his uncle was shot by one in WWII in the Pacific.

And that snipers aren't "heroes".

My uncle killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards. Will shoot you in the back. Snipers aren't heroes. And invaders are worse

— Michael Moore (@MMFlint) January 18, 2015

Hmm. I never tweeted 1word bout AmericanSniper/ChrisKyle. I said my uncle killed by sniper in WWII; only cowards would do that 2 him, others

— Michael Moore (@MMFlint) January 19, 2015

If you had a close relative killed by a sniper you might have similar feelings.

Snipers are common. When you get a trained sniper that's when it gets interesting.

Remember when that cargo plane went down in Bagram? That road the vehicles were on ran out past in front of the flight strip for another quarter mile to the AHHA (Ammo Handling/Holding Area). From early morning to about 1400 one guy closed down that area pretty effectively, 2008. In fact he disrupted the entire operation of the airfield. For fighters/cargo aircraft were screaming down the runway towards the sniper. Found out later four assorted aircraft were hit by him, one jogger he planted in place with a wound to the thigh. The Up Armor 5-ton used by the AHHA was hit 13 times as it was going back and forth on the road. Sniper tried to take out one of the guards in the perimeter tower but they went "bunker" into the harden portion of the tower.

So Camp Vance party goers (SF/Delta operators) on Bagram sent one of the their sniper team on top the Air Traffic Control tower and got the guy around 1400 with the 50 cal sniper rifle.

Reason why I said party goers was they got busted for flying in Strippers from the US on a Special Flight.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Well Michael more is a gakker. Do you really expect from him? He's one of those people I feel uncomfortable when I agree with him.

I know that feeling.


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 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 whembly wrote:
It's because he's lionized by the lefties in this country.

I think that's what conservatives think.

Just like lefties believe conservative opposition to Obama is only because he's black... amirite?

Wait thats not true?

 Frazzled wrote:
Wait thats not true?

Well it is probably more true than some would like but not as true as others believe.

Just saw "American sniper" great movie wanted to know if it is true and most of it is movie dose not go into detail about the Ventura scandal or some of the random things Chris said he did after his tours. But what I do know was he was no coward he supported his men with sniper support he also Lead men into combat situations.

Also a sniper who goes behind enemy lines sits in a building for days just to take out a VIP and run away before the enemy gets him is epic.

All I can say is american sniper wasn't a propaganda film like Seth Rogen said more of a film about the hardship of war which we all know is grimdark.

Iraq war may in some people eyes been a waste of time but that dose not mean we discredit the people who served in it.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Wait thats not true?

Well it is probably more true than some would like but not as true as others believe.

Spoken like a politician.

Reason why I said party goers was they got busted for flying in Strippers from the US on a Special Flight.

New meaning to the term "precious cargo"

Going to leave this here now before someone else does.

"You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like "honor", "code", "loyalty". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"

To be fair, the character that made that statement got cashiered...

I don't see the relevance of the quote, tbh.

 zombiekila707 wrote:
But what I do know was he was no coward he supported his men with sniper support he also Lead men into combat situations..

I also have gotten my lead men into combat situations, but not since 1997, when they switched to antimony men.

Snipers can be evil and damn right Shenanigan.

Snipers go for the medics once they are identified by the medic bag on their back
Snipers go for officers/NCO's once identified
Snipers do the "bait" to draw out more targets
Snipers are Snipers and are expected in the battlefield

Some people cannot accept snipers do exist to kill people and do it in a "under handed way"

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I don't see the relevance of the quote, tbh.

Because it was Jack Nicholson's one role where he didn't play someone at least moderately insane?

 Ouze wrote:
I didn't realize it until my wife started laughing and pointed it out, so YMMV.

Hollywood has already latched onto it.

Hollywood shouldn't laugh. Fake baby still put forth a more convincing performance than any actor in any Michael Bay film, ever.

Interesting discussion. My brother was a sniper in Afghanistan, and people often react with distaste or morbid fascination to that.

Personally, my feelings on it are conflicted because while I love my brother I find his choice to volunteer for a foreign military and go kill people half way across the world who happened to live in the wrong country at the wrong time (Still baffled as to why the US didn't bomb the crap out of the Saudis, given the circumstances of the 9/11 attacks), well, let's say I don't entirely approve.

I don't think bravery even comes into it that much. I mean, sure, bravery is a fairly good quality, but who cares whether he was brave or "had balls". Plenty of the insurgents are also really brave, it takes some serious bravery to try and fight the American/British war machine. Of course, they're also sneaky bastards with little care for colateral damage, so is their bravery important when determining their value as people?

The discussion makes me want to ask my brother about the movie now. But he's off on another job for two months so I won't be able to ask him til he comes back.

Oh yeah, and Iraq was a war for American freedom? American freedom to bomb the crap out of whoever they feel like, maybe.

Oh yeah, and Iraq was a war for American freedom? American freedom to bomb the crap out of whoever they feel like, maybe.

That was pretty gratuitous. We'll remember that when the aliens come and want to use your eyes for jujubees (what thell are jujubees anyway and what happened to that actor-he was awesome) and you come crying to us asking for 500 B-52 strikes of FREEEDOM.

Wait...we just go to US/Iraq War bashing now?

I prefer to think of it as discussing the greatness that is the FREEEDOM DELIVERY SYSTEM that is the B-52.

Is it me or is Michael Moore devolving into a Hut right before our eyes?

 Frazzled wrote:
I prefer to think of it as discussing the greatness that is the FREEEDOM DELIVERY SYSTEM that is the B-52.

Is it me or is Michael Moore devolving into a Hut right before our eyes?

I saw that pi and this sprang into my mind

I dunno if it's US bashing really. It's my perspective on things, I don't hate the US at all but like many people I think the Iraq war was less than a noble act.

I don't blame the soldiers involved though, it's not like you guys get much of a choice, and many had signed up post 9/11 to try to help their country, which is admirable.

I don't think pointing out that the US fight in Iraq wasn't actually protecting American freedoms is exactly "American bashing", and I think that kind of simplistic thinking is what has lead to exactly the situation that other thread is about.

 Ouze wrote:
I don't think pointing out that the US fight in Iraq wasn't actually protecting American freedoms is exactly "American bashing", and I think that kind of simplistic thinking is what has lead to exactly the situation that other thread is about.

When has the US ever needed to wage war in order to protect American freedom? What is the last time the US was invaded by an enemy with the intent to conquer? Since the Revolutionary War, the US has never had to protect its freedom from foreign agression. "Protecting American freedom" is just government propaganda. The US wages war in order to defend its international interests, not to defend its people and their values.

WWII

9/11

 Frazzled wrote:
WWII

9/11

Japan was not interested in conquering the US, they just attacked in the hope to take them out of the fight and prevent them from stopping Japan (the exact opposite happened )
9/11 was just a terrorist attack, not anything even remotely threatening to the existence of the US.

Mexican incursions into SouthWestern US prior to WWI.

Justin Bieber.

 Frazzled wrote:
Mexican incursions into SouthWestern US prior to WWI.

Justin Bieber.

DAMN YOU CANADA!!!!