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Why are Dreadnoughts and vets only BS/WS 4? For the dreadnough, it has served the chapter beyond death, in certain cases, it is a captain or high-ranking official. It shouldn't be just as good at shooting as a scout sgt, vets are similar, but less extreme.

IDK, I wish we had WS 5 VV and BS 5 Sternguard, it only makes sense, dreads should be 5/5

gummyofallbears wrote:
Why are Dreadnoughts and vets only BS/WS 4? For the dreadnough, it has served the chapter beyond death, in certain cases, it is a captain or high-ranking official. It shouldn't be just as good at shooting as a scout sgt, vets are similar, but less extreme.

In fairness, most of the ones who were high-ranking officers do have higher stats. Bjorn the Fell-Handed is BS/WS 6, for example. Although you'd think that the oldest of all the dreadnoughts, first Great Wolf of the Space Wolves, a man Leman Russ personally named "Fell-Handed" for his prowess in hand-to-hand combat, would be at least WS7, but I can live with 6. He's still gonna hit on 3s against almost everything. Murderfang is WS 6, only BS 3, but he's got a heavy flamer, so who cares.

Isn't that what Venerable Dreadnoughts are for?

Regular Dreadnaughts are Veterans, Sergeants, Honour Guard, etc. or folks who didn't take the transition into the Dreadnaught chassis well. Venerable Dreadnaughts are those who started higher-ranking and lasted better or those who adapted well and got more accustomed to the chassis over time.

(If regular Dreadnaughts get pumped to WS/BS5 I'm going to have to start voicing complaints about Wraithlords/Wraithknights, I don't think anyone wants that)

gummyofallbears wrote:
Why are Dreadnoughts and vets only BS/WS 4? For the dreadnough, it has served the chapter beyond death, in certain cases, it is a captain or high-ranking official. It shouldn't be just as good at shooting as a scout sgt, vets are similar, but less extreme.

"High Ranking Officials" are venerable dreads which are WS5.

The main issue is the fact that we are on a d6 system, and there isn’t a whole lot of room to differentiate stats.

I have no problem with the stats of dreadnoughts. The real crime is that they don't benefit from chapter tactics. I get that a raven guard dreadnought isn't gonna be very sneaky and they don't get jump packs, so that's okay. But a Black Templar Dreadnought who has fought for several centuries tempering his righteous zeal with combat experience just forgets his entire indoctrination? The IF dreadnought just forgets his chapter's signature trait and can no longer re roll ones on bolters? Maybe if an IF dread could do that, I would take a heavy bolter arm.

 Powerfisting wrote:
I have no problem with the stats of dreadnoughts. The real crime is that they don't benefit from chapter tactics. I get that a raven guard dreadnought isn't gonna be very sneaky and they don't get jump packs, so that's okay. But a Black Templar Dreadnought who has fought for several centuries tempering his righteous zeal with combat experience just forgets his entire indoctrination? The IF dreadnought just forgets his chapter's signature trait and can no longer re roll ones on bolters? Maybe if an IF dread could do that, I would take a heavy bolter arm.

IH dreads get IWND.

Exception not the rule and lets face it, it was probably a mistake by GW.

The dreadnought might be piloted by a veteran Space Marine, but it's still limited to what the metal body can do. Instead of complaining about stats one should be astonished that a standard dread manages to be as good as it is, looking like it does. It walks as fast as infantry with no knees, and still stays steady enough to shoot!