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So a guy I play with regularly has been adamant on this suspicion of his, I don't know enough about WHFB and/or the lost primarchs to say much anything, but could it be possible? Could one of the lost primarchs been sigmar? Personally it sounds pretty awesome to me, and it works because while it isn't part of 40k universe, the warp is fickle and can most likely transport you between two or more universes on occasion.

Haha, heard it before, different universe is the short story.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Haha, heard it before, different universe is the short story.

yeah for awhile he would be stopped by that answer, but now that "draigo" has been spotted in warhammer, all this "warp travel can take you to other universe" stuff is coming up. I believe its something to consider, given the nature of the warp. Though it wouldn't happen often.

He has been spotted there? Then I say why not? I personally think that WHFB is in this universe, just on an undiscovered world. Seems a bit unambitious for a Priamrch to land an fester in a medieval world, but Angron did it before him. Though with a hefty dose of lobotomy on top.

It’s a popular theory, and one that’s been around for a while. Not sure if there is any proof one way or another, but it fits.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
He has been spotted there? Then I say why not? I personally think that WHFB is in this universe, just on an undiscovered would. Seems a bit unambitious for a Priamrch to land an fester in a medieval world, but Angron did it before him. Though with a hefty dose of lobotomy on top.

yep- Time flows strangely within the
empyrean. In the scattering of the
daemon’s remains, I see patterns. I see
shapes and colours. I see echoes of
things that are, and futures that were.
I see an old world beyond the next
horizon – a world that likely never was,
where sorcery blew in the very winds
and a self-made god-king was all that
stood against the Ruinous Powers.
Mayhap I would find the answer there,
if I could find it at all.
Sheathing the Titansword, with my
tattered cloak whipping about me, I
trudge away into the storm. If my destiny
will not follow, then I will go on as I
always have.Alone.

Araloth (the wood elf) ventured into the Realms of Chaos on a mission at one point and while there meets, and is aided by, a scholar, a sorcerer, and an unusually large knight in gleaming silver armor. He is described as speaking in a strange language and claims that he has made a name for himself within the Realms of Chaos. When he fights demons he can fling out his hand and have blue flame erupt amongst them

The universes are definitely linked - the Eye of Terror is in the Daemons of Chaos Army Book, for instance.
And don't forget that WoC could take Power Armor and Boltguns!

I don't think Sigmar is one of the primarchs, just because I never believed that "lost" from "The Lost and The Forgotten" meant that he was never found. Instead I thought it meant that they lost him after the fact, possibly to Chaos or mutation or rebellion or whatever. I believe all 20 primarchs were already found.

 raiden wrote:
So a guy I play with regularly has been adamant on this suspicion of his, I don't know enough about WHFB and/or the lost primarchs to say much anything, but could it be possible? Could one of the lost primarchs been sigmar? Personally it sounds pretty awesome to me, and it works because while it isn't part of 40k universe, the warp is fickle and can most likely transport you between two or more universes on occasion.

Mario is the second one.

What about Draigo being a Lost Primarch?

 koooaei wrote:

 raiden wrote:
So a guy I play with regularly has been adamant on this suspicion of his, I don't know enough about WHFB and/or the lost primarchs to say much anything, but could it be possible? Could one of the lost primarchs been sigmar? Personally it sounds pretty awesome to me, and it works because while it isn't part of 40k universe, the warp is fickle and can most likely transport you between two or more universes on occasion.

Mario is the second one.

I heard the guy who runs my corner shop is a lost Primarch too

Draigo is certainly not a primarch. He didn't appear from the warp, he was recruited into the Grey Knights 'normally' (whatever that means) and served in the End Times.

For Draigo to be a Primarch you'd have to believe that one or more of the two missing primarchs was never found. The existing fluff is something the surviving primarchs will not discuss even among themselves, on pain of censure from the Emperor. Clearly they suffered fates the other Primarchs don't want to share. It's been suggested that the missing legions may have been exterminated, probably by the Emperor's attack dogs, the Space Wolves.

Clearly their end was a little more dramatic than "I say Russ old boy, whatever happened to Primarch George? Never found the old bugger, eh, what?"

I don't think the Emperor would censure you for talking aobut someone who hasn't been found.

There are two more Easter eggs that have been linked to this idea of the WHFB old wolrd linked to the 40k universe.

1 : Be'lakor.

2

I too have been convinced that Sigmar is one of the two MIA Primarchs. I really hope all this end times stuff is heading to linking the two games in a way that makes what happens on the "old world" relevant in 40K. That might get me back into WHFB. I really hope the

Come on everyone knows Sigmar is the third alpharius

Alpha, omega, sigma

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Come on everyone knows Sigmar is the third alpharius

Alpha, omega, sigma

!!So...Sigmar is actually an unwitting spawn of Alpharius and Omegon, created while the twin were shipped through the warp -- and the Tau are actually the Alpha Legion's doing, because of α, σ, τ, and ω. OMGGG!!!

Though I must say I won't be too surprised if one day GW decided to further reduce their production range by merging the two different settings into one unified setting... if they thought it would help increase they profit.

 raiden wrote:
So a guy I play with regularly has been adamant on this suspicion of his, I don't know enough about WHFB and/or the lost primarchs to say much anything, but could it be possible? Could one of the lost primarchs been sigmar? Personally it sounds pretty awesome to me, and it works because while it isn't part of 40k universe, the warp is fickle and can most likely transport you between two or more universes on occasion.

No, because:
a. WH40K & WHFB are set in different universes
b. It is mentioned that Sigmar was born to one of the barbarian tribes

What Probably Happened:
Primarch II: Did something heinously evil (worse than turning to chaos). The Emperor sent the Space Wolves to purge them, which they did. Leman Russ was close to this Primarch.

- This explains that whole scene in Prospero Burns

Primarch XI: All initially seemed well with this primach, but his legion was struck by mutation at one point. This began to consume many astartes and finally the Primarch himself. The legion was destroyed and all records were removed.

-This explains why Sanguinius worries his legion will be purged because of the red thirst
- This also explains why Horus looks into the tank containing Primarch XI and thinks of untapped glories

Sigmar could not have been a Primarch because he was a normal human. The Primarchs all grew really fast, Sigmar had a 'normal' childhood. Also, we know Sigmar's parents and there is a BL story that describes the birth of Sigmar.
And in 40k, it is heavily implied that the missing Primarchs were found, but purged from all records and wiped out by Leman Russ for doing something horrible. There is also the RL fact that GW left the two missing Primarchs open on purpose. There are no missing Primarchs, they were just holes left by GW so people could make up their own stuff.

Also, there is no connection between 40k and Fantasy, apart from a little easter egg every now and then. The two universes have too many inconsistencies: What were the Old Ones doing on the Warhammer World only a few thousand years ago? They are supposed to have been wiped millennia ago. Why are the Winds of Magic only present on the Warhammer World? Why does no one on the Warhammer World have psychic powers? Why don't the Humans and Elves (Eldar?) of the Warhammer World have any inherent connection to the Warp like in 40k? An entire planet filled with blanks? How did pretty much every race in the 40k universe end up on the Warhammer World? If all races come from space, than why does not a single race have any memory or myths of that? If the Elves are Eldar, how do they prevent themselves from being eaten by Slaanesh? Why don't the Chaos Gods use the same powers and servants on the Warhammer World as that they use in the rest of the universe? If Chaos is so powerful it can overrun entire sectors in 40k, how come it has so much trouble conquering this single medieval world it so desperately seems to want?
BL authors like to include easter eggs in their writing because it is cool and they have the liberty to do so. That does not mean there is a fundamental fluff connection between 40k and Fantasy. This connection existed in the RT era, but has clearly been severed by GW, as all the 40k stuff in Fantasy was scrapped.

With WHFB seeming to swap to round bases and these cross-universe references, it's not entirely impossible that the big change to WHFB will actually be its incorporation into 40k. Or perhaps, remaining a separate universe but with a matching ruleset so that if one wanted, one could play a WHFB army against a 40k army. Fluff being a warp bubble entering into the 40k time period.

 God In Action wrote:
With WHFB seeming to swap to round bases and these cross-universe references, it's not entirely impossible that the big change to WHFB will actually be its incorporation into 40k. Or perhaps, remaining a separate universe but with a matching ruleset so that if one wanted, one could play a WHFB army against a 40k army. Fluff being a warp bubble entering into the 40k time period.

An interesting concept, that. I'd love to see a battle between some Orcs and some Orks

 God In Action wrote:
With WHFB seeming to swap to round bases and these cross-universe references, it's not entirely impossible that the big change to WHFB will actually be its incorporation into 40k. Or perhaps, remaining a separate universe but with a matching ruleset so that if one wanted, one could play a WHFB army against a 40k army. Fluff being a warp bubble entering into the 40k time period.

So what you are saying is GW may make WHFB & WH40K into Warmachine & Hordes

WHAT DRAIGO IS IN WHFB WHAT HAVE I MISSED!

 e.earnshaw wrote:
WHAT DRAIGO IS IN WHFB WHAT HAVE I MISSED!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/631993.page this thread explains everything... mostly, sort of, kinda, not really everything...

 lcmiracle wrote:

 God In Action wrote:
With WHFB seeming to swap to round bases and these cross-universe references, it's not entirely impossible that the big change to WHFB will actually be its incorporation into 40k. Or perhaps, remaining a separate universe but with a matching ruleset so that if one wanted, one could play a WHFB army against a 40k army. Fluff being a warp bubble entering into the 40k time period.

So what you are saying is GW may make WHFB & WH40K into Warmachine & Hordes

I don't know anything about Warmachine and Hordes to make that comparison. You tell me.

lcmiracle wrote:

 e.earnshaw wrote:
WHAT DRAIGO IS IN WHFB WHAT HAVE I MISSED!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/631993.page this thread explains everything... mostly, sort of, kinda, not really everything...

The short version is the Araloth (a wood elf) is sent into the realm of chaos(the warp) to rescue Shallya, basically the human version of Isha, from Nurgle. During the adventure he meets a knight that is said to be a giant of a man, with silver armor, who has been within the warp for a long time and that once opened his palm that made blue flames appear among the daemons.

Also as I posted earlier it has draigo actually see the old world and head towards it.

- this I believe will lead him to enter the old world of whfb and will lead to him being the leader of the knights of order (or w.e gw calls space Marines in whfb)

I thought as one point the Emperor in WHF was a implied to be a lost primark but it got retconned at some point.

What I think is that GW realised how much more cooler 40k is compared to WHFB and so they decided to link the universes to earn more money off WHFB and 40K players because they'll all buy armies from the opposite universe to take as allies.

Also, take note that 40K is set in our universe and WHFB is set in an alternate one.

My ACTUAL theory is they share the same Warp. 40k is on one side and WHFB is on the other.

 God In Action wrote:

 lcmiracle wrote:

 God In Action wrote:
With WHFB seeming to swap to round bases and these cross-universe references, it's not entirely impossible that the big change to WHFB will actually be its incorporation into 40k. Or perhaps, remaining a separate universe but with a matching ruleset so that if one wanted, one could play a WHFB army against a 40k army. Fluff being a warp bubble entering into the 40k time period.

So what you are saying is GW may make WHFB & WH40K into Warmachine & Hordes

I don't know anything about Warmachine and Hordes to make that comparison. You tell me.

Well Warmachine is a TTG where you control a force of one (basically) sorcerer, his/her Advanced Steam-powered mechanical monstrosities, and supporting infantries, most of whom has the common sense of bring a gun into battle. Hordes is a TTG where you control a force one warlock/sorcerer, his/her warbeasts/monstrosisties, and supporting infantries, most of who has not the fortune of acquiring ranged weapons. Both game are in the same universe, despite (fluff-wise) the factions on either side rarely interact with one from the other, they know of each other's existence, but the city-dweller/builders are often too occupied with their things, and the forest hermits got their own stuffs to handle.

Despite one game has a good chunk of ranged combat and another is primarily melee focused, the two games uses a pretty much the same system, therefore allowing both games to be played together.

And it's fairly balanced either way. That's highly doubtful for gw

It's far more likely that Sigmar was a saint of some kind - like Keeler, Thor and Celestine - who tapped the native power of the Emperor to perform his god-king feats.