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Hollismason wrote:
Actually yeah for the Tachyon Arrow you can attach the independent character with the Tachyon Arrow to a Destroyer Cult Squad and it'd reroll to 1s to hit and to wounds because of their rule. The problem is you're paying a lot to do that.

It's expensive though. I dunno why you'd do it. Or you could just take Szeras and attach him to the squad so he has a Lance that rerolls 1s to hit and rerolls Armour penetration.

... ICs attached to units with PE will gain that rule?
If so, an Overlord with the Arrow attached to Heavy Destroyers who are sitting next to a Stalker is kind of ridiculous.
But yes, perhaps Szeras wouldn't be a bad alternative for the above group. Shorter reach and less strength, but you get more than one shot (quality versus quantity).
On the plus side, if these are non-Decurion HDs, the +1 he grants to their RP would be dearly appreciated.

Still trying to figure out how to make non-Harvest relentless T.Beamer-Wraiths...

Yes it transfers so does the units reroll. Szeras is actually better at popping armour and getting pens because he has ST8 vs 12 with a reroll.

I looked I can't figure out a way to do it with out taking decurion.

Hollismason wrote:
Yes it transfers so does the units reroll. Szeras is actually better at popping armour and getting pens because he has ST8 vs 12 with a reroll.

I looked I can't figure out a way to do it with out taking decurion.

Why wouldn't you be able to do it without a Decurion? Szeras or Lord/Overlord leading a CAD + Destroyer Cult does the same thing.

Taking the dedicated night scythes for praetorians in the judicator is pretty clever. you cant have a different unit deploy out of them though right? I like that the tesla destructor wouldnt mind shooting at the preferred target of the stalker(s) or the praetorians.

Requizen wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Yes it transfers so does the units reroll. Szeras is actually better at popping armour and getting pens because he has ST8 vs 12 with a reroll.

I looked I can't figure out a way to do it with out taking decurion.

Why wouldn't you be able to do it without a Decurion? Szeras or Lord/Overlord leading a CAD + Destroyer Cult does the same thing.

This was a answer to his question regarding Wraiths with Relentless, other than a special character or Warlord Trait you can't seem to give Wraiths Relentless.

How would you deal with a Crisis suit/riptide spamming Tau list using the Reclammation decurion?

chnmmr wrote:
How would you deal with a Crisis suit/riptide spamming Tau list using the Reclammation decurion?

Destroyer Cult + Judicator Battalion.

Will deal with just about anything, really.

Riptides are pretty vulnerable to leadership stuff, Conclave of the Burning One w/ Nightbringer has it's number. Crisis suit units in general are vulnerable to the Nightbringers ability.

I'm just trying to make an MC killing unit for relatively cheap.
Yeah, I could use Deathmarks + Destroyer Lord, but I was hoping to do something with Wraiths so they'd be more versatile once they took out whatever they were gunning for.

Yeah I got nothing on that, other than what you already stated.

Flayed ones basically won me a 400 point tournament last night. Maybe just because they're plain hard to take down at that point level, maybe because Infiltrating 4+ with RP Assault monstrosities is insanely good. Either way, I'll be making more of them in the very near future.

3 units of 20 in a Decurion with attached Chronometron Crypteks for always 4+ RP and 5++ against shooting would make a hilarious army.

Before you go crazy with the Crypteks remember that hte Crypteks cannot join them for normal deployment , so you'll have to infiltrate them near each individual Cryptek which can be annoying.

Unless you put them in reserve out flanking.

When they eventually update Dark Harvest, running a Flayed Horde is going to be a lot of fun.

Yes it will . Actually the whole thing from that book with Tomb Sentinels etc.. is going to be excellent.

I don't think Crypteks in a Decurion are that great. Sure you get instant death 4+ RP, but you normally will get 4+ RP anyhow.

If I was going to go Cryptek crazy, I would take a huge royal court with cheap lords and crypteks. Give each lord a res orb and each Cryptek a Chronometron. Outside of the Decurion, you can have obsec blobs that are literally impossible to shift.

4+ or 5++ followed by a 4+, then another 4+ when you pop the res orb. Or you can do immortals for the native 3+ if you'd like.

Doing the math on regular warriors from say a Flyrant:

(Ball-parking it since I don't feel like counting exactly right now):

11 hits, 9 wounds, 4.5 unsaved, 2.25 failed RP. Pop the res orb and only a single warrior dies. Did you tank some wounds on your lord, who maybe had a nightmare shroud, or at least a 3+ and had multiple wounds? Maybe you lost literally no one.

Even if you lost 2 guys because you decided not to pop the res orb, it will take the Flyrant a ridiculous amount of turns to shift the Warriors from the objective. You basically need to assault and sweep them or just give up.

The silver tide is real. Don't forget your ghost arks

You can actually make blocks of Warriors almost impossible to kill with shooting using the Royal Court in a Decurion if that's what you're going for by investing in Crypteks and Lords w/ Res Orb. Personally I'd just go with the Lords w/ Res Orb but if you want to get crazy.

Over Lord w/ Res Orb , Phase Shifter War Scythe
20 Warriors
20 Warriors
5 Immortals
3 Tomb Blades

Royal Court
Overlord w/ Res Orb , Warscythe , Phase Shifter

Lord w/ Res Orb w/ Warscythe
Lord w/ Res Orb w/ Warscythe

Cryptek with Chrono Metron
Crpytek w/ Chrono Metron

Each unit of Warriors is

20 Warriors (230)
Over Lord w/ that Gear ( 155)
Lord w/ that Gear (95)
Cryptek w/ that Gear ( 90)

So it's 570 a unit of that has 2 Warscythes, 5 + , followed by a 4+ , followed by a 4+ Twice per game , and if in the Overlord unit reroll 1s.

Finish the army off with 2 units of Immortals in Nightscythes and as many Tomb Blades as you can get.

A res orb in anything other than a close combat deathstar strikes me as a massive waste of points. We have plenty of reliable sources of durability without needing to resort to expensive one shot items.

I wouldn't call that super competitive but just something super fun to do and matches with the "unkillable" death machines walking forward.

Seems like fun, I'll try it out that's for sure. I've done a minor one and it was a lot of fun to play.

Yes, it's been well established that Necrons are now super durable.
What we're lacking is punch.
So a Flyrant can shoot at us and we can shrug it off. We also can't do much back to him.
Then something else comes along and assaults that unit that has 500 points invested in it. They're not fearless, so woops, now they're gone.

Sorry,
I just think we need to get off the durability subject and look at the weaknesses.

 skoffs wrote:
Yes, it's been well established that Necrons are now super durable.
What we're lacking is punch.
So a Flyrant can shoot at us and we can shrug it off. We also can't do much back to him.
Then something else comes along and assaults that unit that has 500 points invested in it. They're not fearless, so woops, now they're gone.

Sorry,
I just think we need to get off the durability subject and look at the weaknesses.

We have ways to fight back against being swept. Like, Resurrection Orbs, and having a 4+++ across the board. IF you have 500 points sunk into a unit, I would probably make sure that they have a res orb, and depending on the unit, they'd probably be rather killy anyway, so wouldn't lose combat by much, if at all. Plus, we still have Night Scythes. They will still mess with Flyrants and Daemon Princes and Hive Crones.

Yeah just again, that's just a fun thing to do is make a big super blobby unkillable versus shooting Necron Warrior unit.

I'm not saying it's super competitive just a fun unit to play similar to 10 Deathmarks and a Destroyer lord. Probably may not be the most super uber competitive but it's incredibly fun.

I have actually been using my Deathmarks more as a 2 Destroyer Lord then 1 Death mark and 1 Flayed One is really fun.

I have a bit of a theory that the idea Necrons lack punch comes from the tournament builds of last edition, which centered around tesla destructor spam.

Outside of that niche, I've never had any trouble reliably destroying the vast majority of a foe's army, win or lose.

Yeah I've never found that to be true either. I have issue with not reliably being able to deal with Mass Fliers though that are FMCs.

changemod wrote:
I have a bit of a theory that the idea Necrons lack punch comes from the tournament builds of last edition, which centered around tesla destructor spam.

Outside of that niche, I've never had any trouble reliably destroying the vast majority of a foe's army, win or lose.

That's exactly the point I've been trying to prove to people. I've still been killing people just as easily as before, albeit only using A-barges once so far (I find the Annihilation Nexus rather meh). Everyone says we've lost firepower, or lack punch, but we have good melee options now, still spammable S5 shooting that can kill land raiders, Ghost arks fire more shots now, Night Scythes are still good, and then on top of that, Praetorians became good (Very good melee, and also packing S2 AP2 shooting, or a bunch of S6 shooting), Destroyers are awesome now, having shooty Overlords are a viable option now, Imotekh's staff is a god-send, and if you want a ton of Tesla, we still have A-barges (Which can bring a S10 AP1 Primary Weapon platform with them), and if you really want to capitalize on Tesla, an Obelisk is cheaper than 3 A-barges now, and is faster and more durable.

We have plenty of punch...

I have been using the Annihilation Nexus in games as well since I have barges and I want to use them, I'm not really disappointed with it at all. It gives a nice punch up.

Hollismason wrote:
I have been using the Annihilation Nexus in games as well since I have barges and I want to use them, I'm not really disappointed with it at all. It gives a nice punch up.

My gripe is the cost of them, they're heavy support, and bring measly 24" AP- guns. And it's second gun is borderline useless. And the Doomsday Ark just doesn't like to perform well for me.

 krodarklorr wrote:

changemod wrote:
I have a bit of a theory that the idea Necrons lack punch comes from the tournament builds of last edition, which centered around tesla destructor spam.

Outside of that niche, I've never had any trouble reliably destroying the vast majority of a foe's army, win or lose.

That's exactly the point I've been trying to prove to people. I've still been killing people just as easily as before, albeit only using A-barges once so far (I find the Annihilation Nexus rather meh). Everyone says we've lost firepower, or lack punch, but we have good melee options now, still spammable S5 shooting that can kill land raiders, Ghost arks fire more shots now, Night Scythes are still good, and then on top of that, Praetorians became good (Very good melee, and also packing S2 AP2 shooting, or a bunch of S6 shooting), Destroyers are awesome now, having shooty Overlords are a viable option now, Imotekh's staff is a god-send, and if you want a ton of Tesla, we still have A-barges (Which can bring a S10 AP1 Primary Weapon platform with them), and if you really want to capitalize on Tesla, an Obelisk is cheaper than 3 A-barges now, and is faster and more durable.

We have plenty of punch...

Not even just that: The Tesla Destructor Spam setup was terrible for attempting to table a foe. Volume of S7 hits on durable, underpriced platforms that can hit flyers and minimum objective seizing units excel at winning missions and are even okay at scoring more kill points than are given away, but without truly massed gunlines or any AP worth speaking of they give a warped perspective on how reliably the codex can bring an opponent to the brink of annihilation.

I'm running Wraithwing CAD+Harvest: For MC and DPs etc., I rely on scarabs. lots and lots of scarabs.

I basically rely on them for everything killier than my wraiths. Problem arises when there are too many tough targets for three wraith units and two scarab units to assault reliably. But so far so good.

Any valuable insights on stock crypts vs. stock lords for min/maxing purposes?

From what I've seen, doomsday cannons are awesome.
S10 AP1 is plenty of pain. Yeah, you can't move and fire, but think about where you're placing objectives.
Force your opponent to either leave an objective alone, or stand in the open in the path of a S10 AP1 pie plate.

You should be able to line up an objective that your opponent placed with an objective you place. That lets 1 doomsday cover at least 2 objectives.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
From what I've seen, doomsday cannons are awesome.
S10 AP1 is plenty of pain. Yeah, you can't move and fire, but think about where you're placing objectives.
Force your opponent to either leave an objective alone, or stand in the open in the path of a S10 AP1 pie plate.

You should be able to line up an objective that your opponent placed with an objective you place. That lets 1 doomsday cover at least 2 objectives.

I just don't like the tax of bringing two a-barges to bring a doomsday ark in the Decurion. >.>