New Necrons 7th Edition Tactica

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**Slayer-Fan123**

Requizen wrote:
Do you think it's better to have 3 units of 4+ Tomb Blades or 2 units of 3+?

Trying to make points fit and really the only places I can pare down are in the Tomb Blades.

The 3+ is entirely worth the price. They aren't the most killy unit, but making it harder to force them to jink means they're slugging out plenty of shots.

**vipoid**

What weapons do you guys take on Tomb Blades?

**Requizen**

Gauss 100% of the time. I've never felt like I missed Tesla procs, and if you Jink, Gauss is better in every fashion.

The Particle small blasts are nice, but have a good chance of just scattering off and small blasts only hit ~2 things on average anyway unless your opponent really likes clumping super close. And if you Jink, they do nothing.

Gauss is the all around best choice, imo.

**FTGTEvan**

Agree on Gauss. I like the particle blasters, but would probably only take it on a third unit after having 2 units of gauss.

**MLKTH**

It turns out it IS possible to kill a full-court lychstar in practice too, not just in theory. 10 wraith guard with D-scythes + a couple of D-weapon batteries will actually do it when you've already used your solar staff the previous turn...

Won't be quite that aggressive against that type of list again, that's for damn sure.

**Zimko**

MLKTH wrote:
It turns out it IS possible to kill a full-court lychstar in practice too, not just in theory. 10 wraith guard with D-scythes + a couple of D-weapon batteries will actually do it when you've already used your solar staff the previous turn...

Won't be quite that aggressive against that type of list again, that's for damn sure.

Hah yikes. D-scythes are brutal man. Even if you do get the charge, they'll wipe you out in overwatch. Be sure to charge them with scarabs or something expendable first to eat the overwatch.

**vipoid**

Requizen wrote:
Gauss 100% of the time. I've never felt like I missed Tesla procs, and if you Jink, Gauss is better in every fashion.

The Particle small blasts are nice, but have a good chance of just scattering off and small blasts only hit ~2 things on average anyway unless your opponent really likes clumping super close. And if you Jink, they do nothing.

Gauss is the all around best choice, imo.

Does squad size make any difference?

I ask because I only run 3 (as a result of only having 3 models

), and 3 TL gauss shots just seem a bit... pitiful compared to 3 small blasts.

**Requizen**

vipoid wrote:
Requizen wrote:
Gauss 100% of the time. I've never felt like I missed Tesla procs, and if you Jink, Gauss is better in every fashion.

The Particle small blasts are nice, but have a good chance of just scattering off and small blasts only hit ~2 things on average anyway unless your opponent really likes clumping super close. And if you Jink, they do nothing.

Gauss is the all around best choice, imo.

Does squad size make any difference?

I ask because I only run 3 (as a result of only having 3 models ), and 3 TL gauss shots just seem a bit... pitiful compared to 3 small blasts.

Even 3 small blasts isn't that much. Tomb Blades aren't for killing, they're for MSU, being fast, and drawing fire as they capture/contest objectives.

**skoffs**

I've actually had luck with units that have 1 Particle small blast and the rest G.Blasters.
Reason being, players tend to clump their units up behind cover. If I can drop one ignore cover blast on them when they're like that i can hit maybe 3 even 4 bases if I'm lucky with scatter. Then the rest of the squad can hit the stragglers with Gauss.

**FL5**

I don't have a lot of other horde control in my army, so the small blasts are great for taking out chaff. Perhaps even more importantly, it makes my opponent have to choose between packing their hordes together for better charge density or spreading them out to mitigate the blasts. I like taking units and making moves that cause my opponent to have to make potentially sub-optimal choices. That's kinda just my play style, though.

But also, str6 that ignores cover is pretty nifty all on its own.

Not that gauss isn't good, though. It is. But when I take 3 units of tomb blades, I only take one unit of gauss and 2 units of beamers. When I only take one unit of tomb blades, they're beamers.

**krodarklorr**

vipoid wrote:
What weapons do you guys take on Tomb Blades?

I back the Gauss statement. AP4 Ignores Cover with Gauss just has too many options for what it can kill.

**Zimko**

After realizing how easily I can kill Malenthropes and Venomthropes inside ruins with Gauss Tomb Blades, I stuck with gauss.

**Tyran**

Zimko wrote:
After realizing how easily I can kill Malenthropes and Venomthropes inside ruins with Gauss Tomb Blades, I stuck with gauss.

Eh... Malanthropes have a 3+ armor save.

**Zimko**

Tyran wrote:
Zimko wrote:
After realizing how easily I can kill Malenthropes and Venomthropes inside ruins with Gauss Tomb Blades, I stuck with gauss.

Eh... Malanthropes have a 3+ armor save.

Touche, my last opponent thought it was 4+ and played it that way, thus my confusion. Well I guess either weapon works fine for this purpose to ignore cover.

**krodarklorr**

Zimko wrote:
Tyran wrote:
Zimko wrote:
After realizing how easily I can kill Malenthropes and Venomthropes inside ruins with Gauss Tomb Blades, I stuck with gauss.

Eh... Malanthropes have a 3+ armor save.

Touche, my last opponent thought it was 4+ and played it that way, thus my confusion. Well I guess either weapon works fine for this purpose to ignore cover.

I'd still say Gauss, because most Tyranids (that aren't forgeworld) have a 4+ or worse save: all infantry (Warriors, gaunts), important things like Lictors and Venomthropes, and the new MCs coming out (more specifically, the Toxicrene, which relies on cover or a 4+ armor).

So Gauss is my way to go for Nids.

**vipoid**

Looks like I'm going Gauss next game.

Thanks for saving me 6pts, guys.

**Mantorok**

vipoid wrote:
Looks like I'm going Gauss next game.

Thanks for saving me 6pts, guys.

Pump that into your Spyder, or find four points and get a gauntlet of flame.

**vipoid**

Mantorok wrote:

Pump that into your Spyder, or find four points and get a gauntlet of flame.

Already got one.

In all probability though, I'll just use those points to buy something different for the Tomb Blades - either 3+ saves or Nebuloscopes.

**MLKTH**

You were using beamers without nebuloscopes? What is this heresy?!

**vipoid**

MLKTH wrote:
You were using beamers without nebuloscopes? What is this herecy?!

I had Nebuloscopes at first, but then after messing around with the formations in my army I ended up 6pts over. I thought 3 small blasts would be more useful than 3 Gauss Shots with Ignores Cover so I dropped the Nebuloscopes.

**krodarklorr**

vipoid wrote:
MLKTH wrote:
You were using beamers without nebuloscopes? What is this herecy?!

I had Nebuloscopes at first, but then after messing around with the formations in my army I ended up 6pts over. I thought 3 small blasts would be more useful than 3 Gauss Shots with Ignores Cover so I dropped the Nebuloscopes.

I dunno about you guys, but my list is built around having Nebuloscopes and 3+ armor saves. If that means I'm taking one less Warrior, I'm taking one less warrior.

**vipoid**

Well, I have 20 Warriors in my Decurion. If you can work out a way to legally remove one, I'm all ears.

**krodarklorr**

vipoid wrote:
Well, I have 20 Warriors in my Decurion. If you can work out a way to legally remove one, I'm all ears.

Oh, it also helps if you normally bring more than 20.

**vipoid**

krodarklorr wrote:
vipoid wrote:
Well, I have 20 Warriors in my Decurion. If you can work out a way to legally remove one, I'm all ears.

Oh, it also helps if you normally bring more than 20.

Maybe my experiences are different, but I find that Warriors rarely accomplish much - it's generally Wraiths, Destroyers etc. that are the workhorses of my army. Hence, I went for having 2 formations (in this case Destroyer Cult and Judicator Battalion), rather than having more warriors and only 1 formation.

At 1500pts, it's a bit of a squeeze.

**krodarklorr**

vipoid wrote:
krodarklorr wrote:
vipoid wrote:
Well, I have 20 Warriors in my Decurion. If you can work out a way to legally remove one, I'm all ears.

Oh, it also helps if you normally bring more than 20.

Maybe my experiences are different, but I find that Warriors rarely accomplish much - it's generally Wraiths, Destroyers etc. that are the workhorses of my army. Hence, I went for having 2 formations (in this case Destroyer Cult and Judicator Battalion), rather than having more warriors and only 1 formation.

At 1500pts, it's a bit of a squeeze.

Oh. Yeah I hardly play 1500 point games.

**vipoid**

Please stop faceplaming me...

**krodarklorr**

vipoid wrote:
Please stop faceplaming me...

**skoffs**

So... no one else does mixed weapons on Tomb Blades?
Am... am I doing it wrong?
Is there a statistical reasoning behind it, or is it just a case of Necron players not being used to being able to mix and match weapons in units so they stick with everybody A or B, but never A and B?

**krodarklorr**

skoffs wrote:
So... no one else does mixed weapons on Tomb Blades?
Am... am I doing it wrong?
Is there a statistical reasoning behind it, or is it just a case of Necron players not being used to being able to mix and match weapons in units so they stick with everybody A or B, but never A and B?

Well, rule of thumb is that mixing weapons in general is bad. But yeah, I would never do it on Tomb Blades. Either more Gauss shots towards that vehicle (in which case the Beamer would go to waste) or a ton of S6 blasts, but those few Gauss shots will be wasted.

**skoffs**

I'm talking 1 blast/4-5 gauss ratio, here.
(as mentioned before, blast goes over guys clumped up behind cover for maximum hits, gauss goes toward everything else)