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In what is sort of a new low, I think, the WaPo ran this cartoon depicting Ted Cruz and his daughters. From Brietbart:



Pretty poor judgement to publish that in my opinion. They wound up retracting it and replacing it with an editor's note, but personally, I think you need to respect the idea that even if a candidate is willing to drag his or her family on-stage, they're not part of the campaign and should be totally off limits for this sort of thing.

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 Ouze wrote:
In what is sort of a new low, I think, the WaPo ran this cartoon depicting Ted Cruz and his daughters. From Brietbart:



Pretty poor judgement to publish that in my opinion. They wound up retracting it and replacing it with an editor's note, but personally, I think you need to respect the idea that even if a candidate is willing to drag his or her family on-stage, they're not part of the campaign and should be totally off limits for this sort of thing.


I agree, family should be off limits

 
   
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 Ouze wrote:
In what is sort of a new low, I think, the WaPo ran this cartoon depicting Ted Cruz and his daughters. From Brietbart:

Spoiler:


Pretty poor judgement to publish that in my opinion. They wound up retracting it and replacing it with an editor's note, but personally, I think you need to respect the idea that even if a candidate is willing to drag his or her family on-stage, they're not part of the campaign and should be totally off limits for this sort of thing.



Yeah, very poor form; family is always a no-no.

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Didn't Richard Nixon drag his dog into politics once? The checkers affair or something?

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I would be more sympathetic if Cruz hadn't twittered the image himself with a message of "outrage" at the "mainstream media".

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I would be more sympathetic if Cruz hadn't twittered the image himself with a message of "outrage" at the "mainstream media".


Well... it does confirms what he’s been yammering about all along about media bias. The cartoon is just one example that there’s one media standard for conservatives and another for liberals.

He'll milk this dry like what's Trump is doing now.

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Except I seem to remember a republican and some others using the obama kids in politics. But hey, selective memory is fun

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Putting it rather bluntly, when you go out of your way to put your family into the limelight like Cruz has been doing--you don't get to complain.

And really, that cartoon isn't a huge deal. It's satire and it really isn't that far off the mark from what I've seen from Cruz's campaign.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Putting it rather bluntly, when you go out of your way to put your family into the limelight like Cruz has been doing--you don't get to complain.

And really, that cartoon isn't a huge deal. It's satire and it really isn't that far off the mark from what I've seen from Cruz's campaign.


Yeah. It's like complaining that the media noticed that Palin's daughter was pregnant out of marriage at the same time that Palin was harping on about abstinence only education as being best for young people.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
Putting it rather bluntly, when you go out of your way to put your family into the limelight like Cruz has been doing--you don't get to complain.

And really, that cartoon isn't a huge deal. It's satire and it really isn't that far off the mark from what I've seen from Cruz's campaign.

Sorry, but no.

While it's true that political cartoonists have a wide berth when depicting their toon candidates, as they should.

But kids are always, always, always off the table. Kids don't have any means to defend themselves.

Regardless of political party or affiliation. And I'm glad that there's wide condemnation on this.

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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Putting it rather bluntly, when you go out of your way to put your family into the limelight like Cruz has been doing--you don't get to complain.

And really, that cartoon isn't a huge deal. It's satire and it really isn't that far off the mark from what I've seen from Cruz's campaign.

Yeah. It's like complaining that the media noticed that Palin's daughter was pregnant out of marriage at the same time that Palin was harping on about abstinence only education as being best for young people.

Except that it isn't anything like that at all. But go ahead and keep believing.


 
   
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Well, what do you expect? The only reason they're so worked up about Clinton's case it that it's Clinton's case. I'm not fan of her, but it's partisan politics, nothing more, nothing less.

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Good for McCain to push the investigation on Carter.

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Well, what do you expect? The only reason they're so worked up about Clinton's case it that it's Clinton's case. I'm not fan of her, but it's partisan politics, nothing more, nothing less.

Tell that to NGA and NSA when they triple-downed that Clinton had Top Secret info on her homebrew box.

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whembly wrote:

But kids are always, always, always off the table. Kids don't have any means to defend themselves.


Which is why their parents shouldn't be using them in their politics. DO NOT mistake me on this, as I, too, agree this cartoon should not have been done and should be condemned. But if you're going to say kids are "off the table", then that must also apply to the kids' parents using them for political purposes, as well.

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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
whembly wrote:

But kids are always, always, always off the table. Kids don't have any means to defend themselves.


Which is why their parents shouldn't be using them in their politics. DO NOT mistake me on this, as I, too, agree this cartoon should not have been done and should be condemned. But if you're going to say kids are "off the table", then that must also apply to the kids' parents using them for political purposes, as well.

Politicians love to involve their family, as it's an age old strategy to humanize themselves.

Every.Politician.Does.This.

So, no... I don't buy that premise.

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 Ouze wrote:
In what is sort of a new low, I think, the WaPo ran this cartoon depicting Ted Cruz and his daughters. From Brietbart:



Pretty poor judgement to publish that in my opinion. They wound up retracting it and replacing it with an editor's note, but personally, I think you need to respect the idea that even if a candidate is willing to drag his or her family on-stage, they're not part of the campaign and should be totally off limits for this sort of thing.



If I were Cruz I'd find the chick who did this art and punch her lights out. If you mess with someone's family, even Cruz's you should pay.

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If I were Cruz I'd find the chick who did this art and punch her lights out. If you mess with someone's family, even Cruz's you should pay.


Ah yes, satirical cartoons should be met with violence. Now where have we seen that before?

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There is a difference between doing the traditional "posing with your kids" routine, and using your kids as active participants in your campaign. Don't put your kids through that drama.

If they are old enough and want to be a part (Clinton, Romney, McCain) that's fine.
   
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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:


If I were Cruz I'd find the chick who did this art and punch her lights out. If you mess with someone's family, even Cruz's you should pay.


Ah yes, satirical cartoons should be met with violence. Now where have we seen that before?

Obviously you confused me with someone who gives a damn. Again, mess with family and you pay.

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 whembly wrote:


So, no... I don't buy that premise.


You don't believe that rules should apply equally to all?

It's all well and good for you to cry out that kids can't defend themselves, but don't forget the PARENTS' responsibility in that equation.

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 d-usa wrote:
There is a difference between doing the traditional "posing with your kids" routine, and using your kids as active participants in your campaign. Don't put your kids through that drama.

If they are old enough and want to be a part (Clinton, Romney, McCain) that's fine.

Um... posing with your kids vs active participants in your campaign is the same thing. Unless, you're for dividing the person from the family?

The point is, you'd give politicians the opportunity to shelter their kids from politics if they so desire. Even then, when they are active participants in a campaign, we all should be grown ups and not be big bags of dicks to any politicians kids.

I mean the Post was cool with Obama using his daughters in 2012, gush with praise if I may add:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/first-family-is-front-and-center-in-campaign-ad/2012/02/17/gIQAkH70PR_story.html
Key bit:
“It’s a way to humanize them, and it’s also a way to signal youth and vitality,” Gillespie said. “It helps when you have an attractive family to use as a backdrop.”

Indeed.


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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
 whembly wrote:


So, no... I don't buy that premise.


You don't believe that rules should apply equally to all?

It's all well and good for you to cry out that kids can't defend themselves, but don't forget the PARENTS' responsibility in that equation.

C'mon man... they're his 5 & 7 yo kids.

Of course it shouldn't be applied equally.

Tell you what, in that Ad, what was so objectionable about it. What's so inappropriate about his kids being in there?

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If you are unwilling, or unable, to see the difference between posing with your kids and having them act in your adds, then it's probably best for me to stop wasting both of our time.
   
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Humor is about pushing boundaries. You can sputter at me till youre blue in the face and I'll still find dead babyjokes humorous. Just like I can see the humor in this cartoon.

And lets face it. If the image was of Hilary making her daughter dance for amusement alot of you mooks would be toutng it as comedy gold.
   
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 Frazzled wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:


If I were Cruz I'd find the chick who did this art and punch her lights out. If you mess with someone's family, even Cruz's you should pay.


Ah yes, satirical cartoons should be met with violence. Now where have we seen that before?

Obviously you confused me with someone who gives a damn. Again, mess with family and you pay.

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Not to say that you are a terrorist or anything (far from it) but it's the same sort of thing. "You purposefully insulted by family/religion, I'll come over can knock your lights out/shoot you an your colleagues."


I realize it's just you being you, but you are smarter than that.

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 d-usa wrote:
If you are unwilling, or unable, to see the difference between posing with your kids and having them act in your adds, then it's probably best for me to stop wasting both of our time.

What was so reprehensible about that ad that warranted that toon?

EDIT: This is what a toon should be:
Hillary and her lapdogs:

Notice what's missing?

As a Rubio dude, nice mic drop Cruz...

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 whembly wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
If you are unwilling, or unable, to see the difference between posing with your kids and having them act in your adds, then it's probably best for me to stop wasting both of our time.

What was so reprehensible about that ad that warranted that toon?

EDIT: This is what a toon should be:
Hillary and her lapdogs:

Notice what's missing?

As a Rubio dude, nice mic drop Cruz...


Ted Cruz daughters birth year I think is the issue

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Did I say anything was wrong about his ad? Nope.
Did I defend the cartoon? Nope.
Did I say "stick to the traditional 'I'm a family man, look at my Christmas card picture' routine and don't use your kids as pawns"? Yes.
Should all sides (candidates/opponents/media) leave the kids alone? Yes.
   
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Ann Telnaes has been drinking "Big D" Kool-aid for a while now. This cartoon demonstrates how vapid and ugly her reasoning has become when even her own Editor didn't have her back.


 
   
 
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