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2016/01/16 03:23:46
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Iur_tae_mont wrote: We have to find a balance. I remember in Elementary School, we "Voted" alongside the Presidential Election, but it pretty much boiled down to the Teachers telling us "Vote for who your parents like or who you think looks like he'd be the best Grandpa".
If we want kids to get excited for voting, we need to actually TEACH them about the world around them and let them decide whether or not they care. You can't force people to get excited.
You might be surprised to hear that is far more often the case than we might like. Some time ago, I had seen the results of a study where people were randomly shown the campaign pictures of the two candidates from various local/state level elections (from other states, so the respondents would be very unlikely to actually recognize the pictures) and were simply asked who looked better (they weren't told that the pictures were of politicians, and they were told it was a survey regarding standards of appearances or something). Most of the time, the picture in each pair that the most people said looked better was the person who won the election.
TBH I'm not that surprised. My 5th grade teacher during the 2000 election said point blank "If I don't understand what they are talking about,I just vote for the one that looks better"
2016/01/16 04:25:41
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
I really do not understand how people can take rubio and cruz seriously! They both attended an anti gay conference, where a notable speaker was calling for the execution of everyone who is gay.
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2016/01/16 06:22:02
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
whembly wrote: The others were unmemorable, with the exception of Christie saying he'd can't wait to kick Obama out of office, or somesuch...
Which is at least a little funny, in that a term-limited president who almost certainly would win a third term otherwise, leaving office could be characterized as "being kicked out of office".
As a recovering NY'er, did that "New York Value" spiel by Cruz bother you?
Aaaand, given the opportunity to apologize to every single person in New York that he insulted, Cruz decided to double down on it. Does he just not get that when he says something like ""I think most people know exactly what New York values are: socially liberal, pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion, focused on money and the media" he's insulting half the country with the first three parts, (or, well, 47% of it, zing!), and is just the pot calling the kettle black with the last part (Mr. Whoopsie, I forgot to report half a million bucks in loans but I'm just so rolling in it that I've already repaid it and Mr. I whore myself out in the media so ridiculously that I've even got that Cruz Commander commercial now).
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2016/01/16 06:34:04
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
whembly wrote: The others were unmemorable, with the exception of Christie saying he'd can't wait to kick Obama out of office, or somesuch...
Which is at least a little funny, in that a term-limited president who almost certainly would win a third term otherwise, leaving office could be characterized as "being kicked out of office".
As a recovering NY'er, did that "New York Value" spiel by Cruz bother you?
Aaaand, given the opportunity to apologize to every single person in New York that he insulted, Cruz decided to double down on it. Does he just not get that when he says something like ""I think most people know exactly what New York values are: socially liberal, pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion, focused on money and the media" he's insulting half the country with the first three parts, (or, well, 47% of it, zing!), and is just the pot calling the kettle black with the last part (Mr. Whoopsie, I forgot to report half a million bucks in loans but I'm just so rolling in it that I've already repaid it and Mr. I whore myself out in the media so ridiculously that I've even got that Cruz Commander commercial now).
It's not like cruz (or any republican for that matter) would ever win New York, or even win the people that believe in the first three. The republicans have pigeonholed themselves when it comes to the presidency by catering to the far right wing to win the nomination that when it comes time for the actual election they will probably lose because they have alienated their only chance of winning (the moderates).
Ustrello wrote: It's not like cruz (or any republican for that matter) would ever win New York, or even win the people that believe in the first three.
The problem of course, or one of them anyway , is that he isn't running for the President of Some States, he is running for the President of the United States. Well, he is pretending anyway.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2016/01/16 15:33:24
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
whembly wrote: The others were unmemorable, with the exception of Christie saying he'd can't wait to kick Obama out of office, or somesuch...
Which is at least a little funny, in that a term-limited president who almost certainly would win a third term otherwise, leaving office could be characterized as "being kicked out of office".
As a recovering NY'er, did that "New York Value" spiel by Cruz bother you?
Aaaand, given the opportunity to apologize to every single person in New York that he insulted, Cruz decided to double down on it. Does he just not get that when he says something like ""I think most people know exactly what New York values are: socially liberal, pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion, focused on money and the media" he's insulting half the country with the first three parts, (or, well, 47% of it, zing!), and is just the pot calling the kettle black with the last part (Mr. Whoopsie, I forgot to report half a million bucks in loans but I'm just so rolling in it that I've already repaid it and Mr. I whore myself out in the media so ridiculously that I've even got that Cruz Commander commercial now).
Why him saying ""I think most people know exactly what New York values are: socially liberal, pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion, focused on money and the media" an insult?
At worst, it's no different than Obama's "they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion" thang.
Don't get me wrong, but I think it's strategically dumb to "otherize" a region, but the reaction to this looks to me like a squabbling family members turning on an outsider's criticism because he's not "in the family".
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2016/01/16 15:36:44
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
whembly wrote: Why him saying ""I think most people know exactly what New York values are: socially liberal, pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion, focused on money and the media" an insult?
Eh, it is nothing new really.
whembly wrote: At worst, it's no different than Obama's "they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion" thang.
Actually it isn't like that at all, but you don't really care that it isn't accurate. You just want to be able to point finger and cluck your tongue about the President, regardless of truth or context.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2016/01/16 16:45:10
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
whembly wrote: At worst, it's no different than Obama's "they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion" thang.
Actually it isn't like that at all, but you don't really care that it isn't accurate. You just want to be able to point finger and cluck your tongue about the President, regardless of truth or context.
I briefly considered pointing that out as well, but I realized it would be an exercise in futility.
In regards to his 'apology' to New Yorkers, it's always funny when someone who went to both Princeton and Harvard, served as a policy adviser for George W. Bush, and married a region head of Goldman Sachs accuses the other side of being 'elitist.'
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d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
2016/01/16 17:07:39
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Well, it usually is used in the term "liberal elite," which Cruz did say. Still, it's meant to imply that all these rich upper-class college graduates think they're better than all the simple, red-blooded lay-folk.
Which, for all the reasons I said above, is rich coming from someone like Ted Cruz.
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
2016/01/16 19:04:38
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
whembly wrote: At worst, it's no different than Obama's "they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion" thang.
Actually it isn't like that at all, but you don't really care that it isn't accurate. You just want to be able to point finger and cluck your tongue about the President, regardless of truth or context.
God forbid that I say something bad to your Obamy-poo.
Sorry...
...your Obamy-poo PBUH™.
Aaaaaanyways... been getting a kick out of Trump's tweeting all morning.
IT's like Cruz is living rent-free in Trump's head.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Despite the fact the liberals are actually more likely to be making less money than conservatives.
I'm sure you'll provide statistics to support that...
Right?
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2016/01/16 23:21:06
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
whembly wrote: God forbid that I say something bad to your Obamy-poo.
You do know that 1) he's our 'Obamy-poo', though President Obama is more accurate, and 2) that that doesn't really have anything to do with the dead horses you beat. You are, on the other hand, proving that you don't really want to talk about it to begin with.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2016/01/16 23:35:32
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
whembly wrote: At worst, it's no different than Obama's "they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion" thang.
Actually it isn't like that at all, but you don't really care that it isn't accurate. You just want to be able to point finger and cluck your tongue about the President, regardless of truth or context.
God forbid that I say something bad to your Obamy-poo.
Sorry...
...your Obamy-poo PBUH™.
Aaaaaanyways... been getting a kick out of Trump's tweeting all morning.
IT's like Cruz is living rent-free in Trump's head.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Despite the fact the liberals are actually more likely to be making less money than conservatives.
I'm sure you'll provide statistics to support that...
Recent trends have seen an erosion of support in the Republican advantage among college graduates, but they still receive a slim majority of the vote in this category.
So you're telling me that the GOP damns, bemoans, demonizes, and outright insults college kids every election cycle, and even when it's not an election cycle because by god "they're complaining about racism on campus how will they ever function in the real world", and I'm supposed to believe that College grads vote majority Republican?
Guys, let's make sure our posting isn't almost entirely focused on antagonising one or the other main factions in this discussion, don't try and shut down discussion wth nonsense and just post properly as if this wasn't a good 70% of the time rehashing stuff from 60 odd pages ago. Thanks
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2016/01/17 04:59:42
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
So you're telling me that the GOP damns, bemoans, demonizes, and outright insults college kids every election cycle, and even when it's not an election cycle because by god "they're complaining about racism on campus how will they ever function in the real world", and I'm supposed to believe that College grads vote majority Republican?
The more you know.
I suppose it really would have to depend on where the college is.... For instance, Mississippi is the lowest income earning state in the union, but it probably one of the reddest states there are. As well, it is usually in the top 5 for all welfare program money received each year.
I also do recall reading somewhere that the level of college degree, as well as subject matter plays a fairly significant role in which way these trends go. IIRC, people who have degrees in "hard" sciences have a vastly left leaning population (makes sense, since most republicans seem to deny science exists, and seems to always want to disband NASA for being "unconstitutional" or some such).
2016/01/17 05:14:22
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
BrotherGecko wrote: So Iran just released 4 US prisoners in return for 6 Iranian prisoners.
Kerry do good?
I wonder if Kerry and Zarif were like, "well that sailor thing went well, want to try something else?"
International Relations is my thing so this is super exciting to me when it comes to US foreign policy.
Maybe Iran is trying to put on a good face and get a bunch done before the inevitable Trump turns the region into Armageddon lol.
Nah, the republicans will just moan that the government released more prisoners than they got back. They're kinda like the Dudley Dursleys of politics
It really comes down to the fact that the far right will not be satisfied with anything less than the complete and unconditional capitulation of Iran. This is in spite of the facts that a) Iran is largely an enemy of our own creation b) most everything they accuse Iran of doing we're essentially guilty of doing to Iran and other nations in the region c) the far right is secretly envious of Iran's theocratic government because they want to install their own brand of theocracy here in America.
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One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
2016/01/17 05:37:58
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
I've seen people simultaneously argue that it's an outrage that Iran has been holding them, while also strongly protesting any attempt to negotiate with Iran. How are you even supposed to talk to people like that?
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2016/01/17 09:59:18
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
2016/01/17 14:26:00
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
BrotherGecko wrote: So Iran just released 4 US prisoners in return for 6 Iranian prisoners.
Kerry do good?
I wonder if Kerry and Zarif were like, "well that sailor thing went well, want to try something else?"
International Relations is my thing so this is super exciting to me when it comes to US foreign policy.
Maybe Iran is trying to put on a good face and get a bunch done before the inevitable Trump turns the region into Armageddon lol.
Nah, the republicans will just moan that the government released more prisoners than they got back. They're kinda like the Dudley Dursleys of politics
It really comes down to the fact that the far right will not be satisfied with anything less than the complete and unconditional capitulation of Iran. This is in spite of the facts that a) Iran is largely an enemy of our own creation b) most everything they accuse Iran of doing we're essentially guilty of doing to Iran and other nations in the region c) the far right is secretly envious of Iran's theocratic government because they want to install their own brand of theocracy here in America.
I agreed, some people on the right believe as the US is the biggest it has sole sovereignty over the world. Yet usually those same people complain when that causes them to lose rights (real or perceived). You can get one and not expect the other lol. I like to poke the bear every so often and tell far right ideologs that they are ruled by as much irrational emotion as their far left counter parts.
Also I has secretly felt too that far right ideologs are jealous of Iran's theocentric democracy. Its odd how Islam in politics is barbaric to them but Christianity is not, secular for all but us I guess.
2016/01/17 14:42:53
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
It really comes down to the fact that the far right will not be satisfied with anything less than the complete and unconditional capitulation of Iran.
Not just the far right, pretty much the entirety of the right. Iran is a country which is easy to demonize, and taking an aggressive stance against it is an easy way to establish hawk cred.
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