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The Republicans don't need a candidate the left will vote for, they only need one that doesn't piss the left off so much they turn out to vote in enough numbers. That's something the Democrats don't have to worry about doing the the far right, anymore. I suspect the Republicans haven't figured that out or know it but don't know what to do about it. My guess is they thought another Bush would be the answer, as George W. Bush knew how to demotivate the left and energize his base quite well plus get the independent vote. Jeb clearly doesn't have that skill. He's way too thoughtful when he speaks.

McCain lost because...Palin. But my God she was a hoot.
Romney failed because...Romney. He pissed off the left enough to get them out to vote. He didn't do it as well as Palin did, but he certainly did work hard for Obama.

If the Republicans pick Cruz, he'll be crushed in a general election. Unless Clinton or Sanders goes off the rails or really screws up somehow. Considering I'm writing this after Clinton's screw ups already, that's really saying something about how bad I think Cruz is as a choice to the general voting public. He's worse for the Republicans than a socialist on the Democratic tickets for the other side.

My guess is Rubio vs. Clinton when the primaries are done. If I'm wrong, it's up in the air then with Trump vs. Sanders or Trump vs. Clinton or Cruz vs. Clinton. Admittedly, those would be way more entertaining to watch! If the USA is going to go down the toilet I'd rather enjoy the ride a bit...

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Leaving aside the trivial matter of which candidate is winning

I want to deal with a bigger issue: the candidate's foreign trip this summer, in an effort to make themselves look presidential

In 2012, we had Mitt Romney arrive in London and annoy the hell out of Britain.

I can only imagine the reaction Ted Cruz will get in the UK, or heaven forbid, Donald Trump

I sincerely hope that the candidates skip Britain this year.

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Do UK candidates come to the US for this kind of thing? (honestly dont know)
   
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 jasper76 wrote:
Do UK candidates come to the US for this kind of thing? (honestly dont know)


In the grand scheme of things, the UK isn't that important anymore to the USA. Hell, judging by the EU negotiations, the UK isn't that important in Europe anymore, but that's another story.

In my experience, most Americans that I've met, don't know or don't care about UK politics (unless they lived there for a well) but they do like the UK.

In all honesty, if a British candidate went to the USA for an endorsement, I doubt if it would hold much water back home.

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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 shasolenzabi wrote:
I will laugh when Bernie wins the primary and then the General. this thread will erupt.


Undoubtedly...


One thing I am enjoying, on the facebook side of things, are the recent spate of Sanders vs. Hilary "posters" where they compare each candidate's stance on various "issues".... such as the WWE, Black Sabbath, etc.

Have you heard of The Bernie Bros™?


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 Dreadwinter wrote:
 shasolenzabi wrote:
I will laugh when Bernie wins the primary and then the General. this thread will erupt.


Nah, then Sebster is going to have to jump a house and that is impossible! So that means Bernie winning the election is impossible!


Hey... if Rudy can... Bernie can!

Whembly, you know Democratic Socialist and Socialist are different right? Pretty sure we have had to explain this to you before. But you keep going off and using those buzz words to try to make a point like the evil media you hate so much.

I know the difference and I still oppose Democratic Socialism in principle. So, when I say "socialism", I mean in an abstract way by pointing out the tendencies. Not the full bore Karl Max Central Planning socialism flavor (which won't ever happen in the US).

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 jasper76 wrote:
Do UK candidates come to the US for this kind of thing? (honestly dont know)


In the grand scheme of things, the UK isn't that important anymore to the USA. Hell, judging by the EU negotiations, the UK isn't that important in Europe anymore, but that's another story.

In my experience, most Americans that I've met, don't know or don't care about UK politics (unless they lived there for a well) but they do like the UK.

In all honesty, if a British candidate went to the USA for an endorsement, I doubt if it would hold much water back home.

On average, Americans tend to care more about the royal family of Britain than it's politics. Like seriously, the royal family makes magazine covers all the time.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:

On average, Americans tend to care more about the royal family of Britain than it's politics. Like seriously, the royal family makes magazine covers all the time.



That's kind of been a near constant truth for most things not politically related.... The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Iron Maiden, Bieber... All of them dominate(d) magazines for years
   
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I figured this is a good time to post the "On The Issues" of the leading candidates.

Hillary Clinton:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

Bernie Sanders:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Bernie_Sanders.htm

Ted Cruz:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Ted_Cruz.htm

Marco Rubio:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Marco_Rubio.htm

Donald Trump:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm


I bet you'd find something surprising on each of these candidates.

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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:

On average, Americans tend to care more about the royal family of Britain than it's politics. Like seriously, the royal family makes magazine covers all the time.



That's kind of been a near constant truth for most things not politically related.... The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Iron Maiden, Bieber... All of them dominate(d) magazines for years


You did not just mention Bieber in the same line as The Beatles, Led Zep and Maiden

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 A Town Called Malus wrote:


You did not just mention Bieber in the same line as The Beatles, Led Zep and Maiden


Lol.... if black people get to blame ALL white people for slavery, then all of us Americans get to blame you Brits for whatever gak Canadian pops out of the woods
   
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 CptJake wrote:
No one on the left will vote for Rubio or Christie anyway. Why should the right cater to the left when picking candidates? Picking McCain and Romney didn't work too well for them.


That strategy makes a lot of sense in a world where all voters fall into a totally rigid binary choice of black and white, and there are absolutely no swing or moderate voters that participate in general elections, and the absolute only problems with McCain and Romney were that they just weren't conservative enough.



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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:


You did not just mention Bieber in the same line as The Beatles, Led Zep and Maiden


Lol.... if black people get to blame ALL white people for slavery, then all of us Americans get to blame you Brits for whatever gak Canadian pops out of the woods


by that horrid logic you can blame all the gak america does on the brits as well. If they had never drove out the puritans we wouldn't be in this mess

 
   
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sirlynchmob wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:


You did not just mention Bieber in the same line as The Beatles, Led Zep and Maiden


Lol.... if black people get to blame ALL white people for slavery, then all of us Americans get to blame you Brits for whatever gak Canadian pops out of the woods


by that horrid logic you can blame all the gak america does on the brits as well. If they had never drove out the puritans we wouldn't be in this mess



See that brits posting in this thread??? NASCAR is your fault!!!



Anyhow... on topic, I just looked to see when my state's primary is.... and it's in fething May. I kinda have to wonder how relevant it will be by that point in the race.
   
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I liked Rand but he is a non-factor sadly, and I really don't like Hillary so my choices aren't all that great. If my choices end up being Cruz and Clinton I will really be in a bad place, voting wise.

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So will all the rest of us, really.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.

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It'll be Clinton vs. Rubio.

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 whembly wrote:
It'll be Clinton vs. Rubio.


That is only slightly less bad, but still is awful and says how terrible things are at the moment, politically.

I would have voted for McCain until Palin was tossed in and she was a poison pill to his campaign. Really, I think she won the election for President Obama.

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 Ahtman wrote:
I liked Rand but he is a non-factor sadly, and I really don't like Hillary so my choices aren't all that great. If my choices end up being Cruz and Clinton I will really be in a bad place, voting wise.





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 Ahtman wrote:
 whembly wrote:
It'll be Clinton vs. Rubio.


That is only slightly less bad, but still is awful and says how terrible things are at the moment, politically.

Heh...

Here's the thing... Rubio is very much a conservative. Here's his views on marijuana:
Spoiler:
-Medical marijuana could be OK, but not recreational use. (Aug 2015)
-No responsible way to recreationally use marijuana. (May 2015)
-Legalizing would be a mistake; reduce sentences carefully. (Apr 2015)
-There is no responsible way to recreationally use marijuana. (May 2014)

Pretty much the standard GOP stance...

Cruz? Check it:
Spoiler:
-Let's see what happens in Colorado with legalization. (Nov 2015)
-Lower minimums and mandatory sentencing for drugs. (Apr 2015)
-2014: federal enforcement; 2015: let states experiment. (Mar 2015)
-I disagree with states legalizing pot, but it's their right. (Feb 2015)
-Let states be laboratories of democracy on marijuana. (Feb 2015)
-I foolishly smoked pot when young, but never since. (Feb 2015)

I really, really liked Cruz's approach here as he seems to be more pro-States rights than Rubio.

The point is, each candidate are different enough to stand out from each other beyond their party membership.

I would have voted for McCain until Palin was tossed in and she was a poison pill to his campaign. Really, I think she won the election for President Obama.

No one was going to beat Obama, so I think it's a bit much to lay McCain's failed bid on Palin.

What did Biden do for us in these last 8 years?

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 whembly wrote:
No one was going to beat Obama, so I think it's a bit much to lay McCain's failed bid on Palin.


If you choose to believe falsities that is your choice, but that won't keep them from being false.

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The establishment Right has always been able to coerce the base long enough to get the establishment candidate on the ticket.

With that line of thinking, I can see why JEB! isn;t bailing yet. however, he will have to do something to beat back Rubio. As Whembly pointed out the former "Tea Party" candidate Rubio is now the closest thing to the establishment candidate we have now.

Think about that for a moment. Does this meant eh Tea Party won the war for the Republican Parties soul?

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 Easy E wrote:


Think about that for a moment. Does this meant eh Tea Party won the war for the Republican Parties soul?

No... it's still a fight.


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 Ahtman wrote:
 whembly wrote:
No one was going to beat Obama, so I think it's a bit much to lay McCain's failed bid on Palin.


If you choose to believe falsities that is your choice, but that won't keep them from being false.

Ahtman... that's an opinion.

Just as it's my opinion that if McCain picked "a generic VP", he'd still lose.

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Rubio can't seriously be considered a Tea Party guy anymore. His platform includes a big blank check for the DoD.


I tend to agree with whembley on McCain. I think McCain and Romney both did as well as any GOP candidate could have hoped to do at the time after 8 years of Bush, and demographics have only become more unkind for the next GOP candidate, especially since Trump has alienated the crucial Latino vote, and the party has done nothing to improve its standing on women's issues.

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 whembly wrote:
Ahtman... that's an opinion.

Just as it's my opinion that if McCain picked "a generic VP", he'd still lose.


Having an opinion doesn't magically keep an opinion from being wrongheaded and/or false.

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Oy! Trouble in Iowa Caucus land?
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/editorials/caucus/2016/02/03/editorial-something-smells-democratic-party/79777580/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=

Once again the world is laughing at Iowa. Late-night comedians and social media mavens are having a field day with jokes about missing caucusgoers and coin flips.

That’s fine. We can take ribbing over our quirky process. But what we can’t stomach is even the whiff of impropriety or error.

What happened Monday night at the Democratic caucuses was a debacle, period. Democracy, particularly at the local party level, can be slow, messy and obscure. But the refusal to undergo scrutiny or allow for an appeal reeks of autocracy.

The Iowa Democratic Party must act quickly to assure the accuracy of the caucus results, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

First of all, the results were too close not to do a complete audit of results. Two-tenths of 1 percent separated Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. A caucus should not be confused with an election, but it’s worth noting that much larger margins trigger automatic recounts in other states.

Second, too many questions have been raised. Too many accounts have arisen of inconsistent counts, untrained and overwhelmed volunteers, confused voters, cramped precinct locations, a lack of voter registration forms and other problems. Too many of us, including members of the Register editorial board who were observing caucuses, saw opportunities for error amid Monday night’s chaos.

The Sanders campaign is rechecking results on its own, going precinct by precinct, and is already finding inconsistencies, said Rania Batrice, a Sanders spokeswoman. The campaign seeks the math sheets or other paperwork that precinct chairs filled out and were supposed to return to the state party. They want to compare those documents to the results entered into a Microsoft app and sent to the party.

“Let’s compare notes. Let’s see if they match,” Batrice said Wednesday.

Dr. Andy McGuire, chairwoman of the Iowa Democratic Party, dug in her heels and said no. She said the three campaigns had representatives in a room in the hours after the caucuses and went over the discrepancies.

McGuire knows what’s at stake. Her actions only confirm the suspicions, wild as they might be, of Sanders supporters. Their candidate, after all, is opposed by the party establishment — and wasn’t even a Democrat a few months ago.

So her path forward is clear: Work with all the campaigns to audit results. Break silly party tradition and release the raw vote totals. Provide a list of each precinct coin flip and its outcome, as well as other information sought by the Register. Be transparent.

And then call for a blue ribbon commission to study how to improve the caucuses, as the Republican Party of Iowa did after its own fiasco in 2012. Monday’s mess showed that it’s time for the Democrats to change, too.

The caucuses have become something they were never intended to be. It’s as if RAGBRAI tried to morph into the Tour de France. It wasn’t built for the speed or the significance.

The current process grew out of efforts to find a more democratic way to choose delegates to conventions, after the grassroots saw how Democratic powerbrokers controlled the nominating process in 1968. But the caucuses have become as antiquated and opaque as the smoke-filled rooms of yore.

Democrats should ask themselves: What do we want the Iowa caucus to be? How can we preserve its uniqueness while bringing more order? Does it become more like a straw poll or primary? How do we strike the balance between tradition and transparency?

We have time to consider these questions. First, however, we need answers to what happened Monday night. The future of the first-in-the-nation caucuses demands it.

Does anyone find it interesting that Clinton won all 6 coin toss?

What are the odds?


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 Ahtman wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Ahtman... that's an opinion.

Just as it's my opinion that if McCain picked "a generic VP", he'd still lose.


Having an opinion doesn't magically keep an opinion from being wrongheaded and/or false.

Or, you can simply dig your heals and be like:

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 whembly wrote:
Does anyone find it interesting that Clinton won all 6 coin toss?

What are the odds?

I'm guessing 100% since that's what actually happened?


 
   
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 Breotan wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Does anyone find it interesting that Clinton won all 6 coin toss?

What are the odds?

I'm guessing 100% since that's what actually happened?


Heh...

I thought I read somewhere that Sanders won some tosses, but I couldn't find any legit sources.

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 whembly wrote:
Or, you can simply dig your heals and be like:


Coming from the person who has become so obstinate in repeating talking points and beats dead horses so regularly they have become something of a running joke politically I hope you see the hypocrisy of accusing others of having their heels (not heals) "dug in".

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 Ahtman wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Or, you can simply dig your heals and be like:


Coming from the person who has become so obstinate in repeating talking points and beats dead horses so regularly they have become something of a running joke politically I hope you see the hypocrisy of accusing others of having their heels (not heals) "dug in".

That's nice...

Did you know that Hillary Clinton's cavalier management puts US spies lives in danger?

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 whembly wrote:

Does anyone find it interesting that Clinton won all 6 coin toss?

What are the odds?
Have fun.

And Sanders did win some coin tosses to point that there were about equal.

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