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Deadawake1347 wrote:
My personal problem with it is the minimum purchase amount to get entered. It just seems like a blatantly obvious way to try and get people to spend a fair chunk of change in the likely vain hope of winning. If they were actually doing it as a promotion I think it would have just been any order between these two dates gets a chance, rather than one that has to be at least $65.

The shipping kills you if you don't get a minimum order in anyhow, though. Unless you send it to a store, I guess.

But it's pretty easy to get to $65.

jamesk1973 wrote:
They are no longer worthy to possess their own IP.

To be entirely fair, most of the IP they claim isn't actually theirs anyway

I was interested in entering and then I realized the UK doesn't have the same competition requirements; meaning no free entry.

I won't even buy your stuff to win a chance at free stuff, GW. If I did, I'd be in a GW store measuring out the kits figuring out which one was the thinnest, highest priced, and most popular to determine my maximum value. Then I'd put it all on eBay.

Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US. So if you win $2,000 of models and sell them, it'd be considered income and have to pay taxes on it accordingly, IIRC. Goodie!

 TheKbob wrote:
I was interested in entering and then I realized the UK doesn't have the same competition requirements; meaning no free entry.

I won't even buy your stuff to win a chance at free stuff, GW. If I did, I'd be in a GW store measuring out the kits figuring out which one was the thinnest, highest priced, and most popular to determine my maximum value. Then I'd put it all on eBay.

Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US. So if you win $2,000 of models and sell them, it'd be considered income and have to pay taxes on it accordingly, IIRC. Goodie!

Right. feth 'em

 TheKbob wrote:
I was interested in entering and then I realized the UK doesn't have the same competition requirements; meaning no free entry.

I won't even buy your stuff to win a chance at free stuff, GW. If I did, I'd be in a GW store measuring out the kits figuring out which one was the thinnest, highest priced, and most popular to determine my maximum value. Then I'd put it all on eBay.

Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US. So if you win $2,000 of models and sell them, it'd be considered income and have to pay taxes on it accordingly, IIRC. Goodie!

Wow. So if you win a Samsung TV at a raffle, you have to pay tax on it?! That sounds crazy (not to mention, unenforceable). Are you sure that competitions like this are considered in the same way as registered lotteries?

In Canada, we pay no taxes on lottery winnings ^^

With all due respect my friends, the contest rules clearly state that UK laws apply in all cases; it doesn't matter if you are in te US, Canada, the Eurozone or Asia except Australia and NZ (sorry for you). You are buying a product from a UK company, based in the UK, in the worst case you can argue that it's not a lottery but rather a huge gift voucher. Please go ahead and read the contest. I'm going to participate because I went to order a Unit of tac marines and some safeguards (any suggestions for the weapons loading for an imperial fists army?) Thank you for reading.

Jesus Christ this thread is depressing :/ they are just having a competition. Most of you sound like Scrooge on Christmas Eve... Lighten up!

Talys wrote:
Wow. So if you win a Samsung TV at a raffle, you have to pay tax on it?! That sounds crazy (not to mention, unenforceable). Are you sure that competitions like this are considered in the same way as registered lotteries?

In Canada, we pay no taxes on lottery winnings ^^

Here's one link that discusses it, but prizes in the US are considered income regardless of their form (stuff, money, etc.). So when you see people winning big on game shows that isn't cash, they usually have the sell the item to pay the subsequent taxes on it!

Bottle wrote:Jesus Christ this thread is depressing :/ they are just having a competition. Most of you sound like Scrooge on Christmas Eve... Lighten up!

Must be new here. GW has sucked so hard in the past few years that we're all pretty much beyond love or hate and now fall into a zone of bemused apathy towards their spiraling descent into mediocrity. Most fans get there someday, some sooner than others. We'll be here for yah...

MMDespot wrote:
With all due respect my friends, the contest rules clearly state that UK laws apply in all cases; it doesn't matter if you are in te US, Canada, the Eurozone or Asia except Australia and NZ (sorry for you). You are buying a product from a UK company, based in the UK, in the worst case you can argue that it's not a lottery but rather a huge gift voucher. Please go ahead and read the contest. I'm going to participate because I went to order a Unit of tac marines and some safeguards (any suggestions for the weapons loading for an imperial fists army?) Thank you for reading.

America land has some funny ideas about when its laws should apply. For example, the mayor of London recently sold his house and got a big tax bill from the american government because he is a dual national of the UK and US. Despite not having lived in the US for the majority of his life, US tax law still applies, and it says he owes them money when he sells his house

 TheKbob wrote:

Bottle wrote:Jesus Christ this thread is depressing :/ they are just having a competition. Most of you sound like Scrooge on Christmas Eve... Lighten up!

Must be new here. GW has sucked so hard in the past few years that we're all pretty much beyond love or hate and now fall into a zone of bemused apathy towards their spiraling descent into mediocrity. Most fans get there someday, some sooner than others. We'll be here for yah...

First GW game was 2nd edition 40k and I'm not bitter and jaded yet. :p

Usually I have come to expect it here on dakka, and I'll accept that GW often earns the shade you guys dish out. But they are running a competition and giving away free miniatures here... it just looks silly to sit around grumbling about it imo.

jamesk1973 wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
I was interested in entering and then I realized the UK doesn't have the same competition requirements; meaning no free entry.

I won't even buy your stuff to win a chance at free stuff, GW. If I did, I'd be in a GW store measuring out the kits figuring out which one was the thinnest, highest priced, and most popular to determine my maximum value. Then I'd put it all on eBay.

Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US. So if you win $2,000 of models and sell them, it'd be considered income and have to pay taxes on it accordingly, IIRC. Goodie!

Right. feth 'em

Soooo...your country's laws concerning what can or can't be considered as taxable income is GW's fault how?

As far as I'm aware, selling anything via eBay could incur the attention of the tax authorities.

 TheKbob wrote:
Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US.

Actually, you have to pay taxes just for winning the them (if they are a considered a prize). Even Nobel Prizes are taxed.

The only way to avoid this would be if the models were given as a gift as gifts of this nature are not taxed, I believe.

Of course, this only applies if the IRS become aware of the winnings.

It's a shame the LOTR/Hobbit lines aren't included. I would have loved to have gotten the entire range in a comeptition like this!

This is ridiculous. They're doing a competition with quite a hefty prize, people are complaining the buy in price is too much (£40 isn't that much really, it's the free shipping cutoff anyway, it's easy to get that with GW, and theres enough on the GW site that's direct only you can do it without missing out on the discount you'd normally get) or that the country they live in will tax them, as if that's somehow GW fault?, or that they got the bloody height of a space marine wrong.

I'm the first to complain when they mess up but I'm really not seeing the issue here. I get why people think that we moan about GW for no reason now... I get the complaints about it not being available in Australia and NZ, that's silly and nonsensical, but everything else just seems like whining for no reason.

MMDespot wrote:
With all due respect my friends, the contest rules clearly state that UK laws apply in all cases; it doesn't matter if you are in te US, Canada, the Eurozone or Asia except Australia and NZ (sorry for you). You are buying a product from a UK company, based in the UK,

...except that you're not.

A customer in the US buys through the US storefront, and the payment goes to GW USA, for goods shipped from a warehouse in the USA.




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 ImAGeek wrote:
..., and theres enough on the GW site that's direct only you can do it without missing out on the discount you'd normally get...

Yeah, that's totally a positive point...

 insaniak wrote:

MMDespot wrote:
With all due respect my friends, the contest rules clearly state that UK laws apply in all cases; it doesn't matter if you are in te US, Canada, the Eurozone or Asia except Australia and NZ (sorry for you). You are buying a product from a UK company, based in the UK,

...except that you're not.

A customer in the US buys through the US storefront, and the payment goes to GW USA, for goods shipped from a warehouse in the USA.




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 ImAGeek wrote:
..., and theres enough on the GW site that's direct only you can do it without missing out on the discount you'd normally get...

Yeah, that's totally a positive point...

I'm not saying that bit in particular is positive, but if everyone's so worried about missing their 20% discount on a fairly small purchase to maybe win a large prize, at least they can get stuff they otherwise wouldn't have been able to.

 ImAGeek wrote:

I'm the first to complain when they mess up but I'm really not seeing the issue here. I get why people think that we moan about GW for no reason now... I get the complaints about it not being available in Australia and NZ, that's silly and nonsensical, but everything else just seems like whining for no reason.

I had a look at some websites after another poster pointed out that this sort of giveaway/ promotion/ lottery/ whatever is illegal in the US concerning promotions in Australia. There appears to a be a bit of an industry where firms offer to ensure that your completion is legal across Australia.

The different states appear to have different rules and permit requirements. Some require permits if prices are above a certain level or whether its a game of skill or luck of the draw. Maybe the sort of promotion GW wants to run is flat out illegal in one of those States/ Territories. If that is the case, the company is at fault for not finding an alternative way to include those potential customers.

But you know, I'm sure when Little Timmy from Backendof, Nowhere wins 210cm of boxes, he'll say thank you to all those who did nothing to reduce his chances by not entering.

 TheKbob wrote:

Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US. So if you win $2,000 of models and sell them, it'd be considered income and have to pay taxes on it accordingly, IIRC. Goodie!

lol
who in the IRS would even know you won this? As you'd sell it piecemeal it's not like you'd have a sudden cash injection into your bank, especially if you are able to do cash sales.

Seems like a Willy Wonka rip-off, although I could use some Lord Of Skulls...

I've got a golden ticket!

jamesk1973 wrote:


Too many fools will buy into this, followed by another half year blip that will only prolong GWs last few gasps on life support.

In other words you predict this scheme to work. GW will be happy.

Computron wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:

Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US. So if you win $2,000 of models and sell them, it'd be considered income and have to pay taxes on it accordingly, IIRC. Goodie!

lol
who in the IRS would even know you won this? As you'd sell it piecemeal it's not like you'd have a sudden cash injection into your bank, especially if you are able to do cash sales.

Our government does like to tax things. Can't remember if this is the right form, but IIRC, GW is actually required to create a W2-G for misc. income and send it to both the winner and submit a copy to the IRS. The threshold is pretty low ($500 or so). It is based off from the value of the items - not any actual cash. So, if you get $3000 worth of stuff from GW and sell it for $2000 - you still pay the tax on the $3000.

If this is anything like their other contests over the years those 5 tickets will very mysteriously go to 10 year olds with no clue.

I'm just surprised to discover I am Space Marine height!

Well, just about.

You mean GW's desired customer base?

 SilverMK2 wrote:
You mean GW's desired customer base?

Bingo, although where these kids are is anyones guess.

If I won I'd get 7' of imperial knights, paint them up all pretty and sell them off. That's a fat pile of money.

Computron wrote:

jamesk1973 wrote:


Too many fools will buy into this, followed by another half year blip that will only prolong GWs last few gasps on life support.

In other words you predict this scheme to work. GW will be happy.

Yes. To the continued detriment of their IP.

 Kirasu wrote:
Hm so space marines are about 6 feet tall without armor.. Good job GW.

The marketing department says they're 12', sales 6'.

 Bottle wrote:

First GW game was 2nd edition 40k and I'm not bitter and jaded yet. :p

Usually I have come to expect it here on dakka, and I'll accept that GW often earns the shade you guys dish out. But they are running a competition and giving away free miniatures here... it just looks silly to sit around grumbling about it imo.

That's fine. Those of us "throwing shade" are more in line with actual expectations and happenings; there's enough of us factually to show that the ship is listing and on it's way to sinking without drastic changes. And yea, it's a stupid competition that doesn't allow free entry which is atypical in the USA. And when we're already burnt out terrible customer support, terrible rules support, and the games being reamed, why in the world would we want to pay $65 for "chance" to win something?

It's not silly, it's just pointing out another sad attempt by GW to try to drum up business besides doing what they should be doing and getting with the rest of their competition. Because it's obviously working for them!

You'd always be crazy to pay to enter a competition run by a big company... too many customers, the odds of winning will be terrible,

but on the other hand if your going to spend anyway entering is always worthwhile, you never know if your luck might be in

Computron wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:

Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US. So if you win $2,000 of models and sell them, it'd be considered income and have to pay taxes on it accordingly, IIRC. Goodie!

lol
who in the IRS would even know you won this? As you'd sell it piecemeal it's not like you'd have a sudden cash injection into your bank, especially if you are able to do cash sales.

GW will be required to report the winner to the IRS if they are American. GW is not going to risk the wrath of the IRS to protect a customer.