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morgoth wrote:
I don't think so.

Take Space Wolves for instance, their best unit is TWC. What is Wraith compared to TWC ?

And Necrons have a lot more.


Lastly, quit pretending that Eldar was the only bad apple, that's just the kind of bs we've all heard far too much of.

Daemons are horrible, so is Tau, Eldar and Necrons which should have been nerfed (and I still hope they have been, time will tell)



I sure hope Necrons have indeed been nerfed and the rest of the codex updates will make Eldar, Daemons and Tau more internally and externally balanced


Tau came before eldar and I said after eldar and I 100% mean all of the 7th codexs have been mostly balanced against each other. That doesn't mean great internal balance mind you.

Also with the TWC vs Wraith thing are we arguing the same thing? because for their points wraiths are insanely good and add in the formation with RP and they go to near unstoppable.

TWC are good but not unstoppable but thats the bright spot in the SW book and I think you and I agree that the Necrons have a lot of bright spots in this book.

The Necron book is above the other 7th books on its own and with the Formations is very likely stronger than Eldar. If you think the Necrons got nerfed overall then I ask you to go read it and show me where on the whole the Necrons didn't get buffed. I'm not talking about individual nerfs, It did get some of those but was far more buffed than nerfed. Often on units or rules that didn't need it and worked well as is.

I'm not trying to rain on Necron players parade, that book clearly needed some re-balancing, internally it was awful and there were units that needed some pretty big buffs.

I'm just disheartened that this one book comes along and kills what the 7th edition codexs were doing.

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The only thing that is broken is the Wraiths with RP, everything else is strong but fine.
   
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 Tyran wrote:
The only thing that is broken is the Wraiths with RP, everything else is strong but fine.
A lot of the formations are really silly, Tomb Blades are a bit cheap base but have absurdly underpriced upgraded (5ppm to go from a 4+ armor 4+ jink to 3+ armor/3+ jink and gain Ignores Cover), RP applying against every single wound (and not just the final wound) on top of units like Destroyers getting additional wounds is pretty huge, etc

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 Tyran wrote:
The only thing that is broken is the Wraiths with RP, everything else is strong but fine.


lmao many of their formations are insane. RP buff was vastly un-needed and now yes borders on making Necrons broken.

This book vs all the other 7th books is broken and that is the current measure since you know its a 7th codex.

but arguing this will get me no where because people want to cry about broken until they get the broken item, then they just argue/pretend its not.

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 Vaktathi wrote:
 Tyran wrote:
The only thing that is broken is the Wraiths with RP, everything else is strong but fine.
A lot of the formations are really silly, Tomb Blades are a bit cheap base but have absurdly underpriced upgraded (5ppm to go from a 4+ armor 4+ jink to 3+ armor/3+ jink and gain Ignores Cover), RP applying against every single wound (and not just the final wound) on top of units like Destroyers getting additional wounds is pretty huge, etc


You cant have n-scoop and s-loom on the same model.
   
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 Byte wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
 Tyran wrote:
The only thing that is broken is the Wraiths with RP, everything else is strong but fine.
A lot of the formations are really silly, Tomb Blades are a bit cheap base but have absurdly underpriced upgraded (5ppm to go from a 4+ armor 4+ jink to 3+ armor/3+ jink and gain Ignores Cover), RP applying against every single wound (and not just the final wound) on top of units like Destroyers getting additional wounds is pretty huge, etc


You cant have n-scoop and s-loom on the same model.
Ah, thanks for pointing that out, initially read it as "any model may take". Still however, potent upgrades for very low prices on fast and tough units.

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 Vaktathi wrote:
 Byte wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
 Tyran wrote:
The only thing that is broken is the Wraiths with RP, everything else is strong but fine.
A lot of the formations are really silly, Tomb Blades are a bit cheap base but have absurdly underpriced upgraded (5ppm to go from a 4+ armor 4+ jink to 3+ armor/3+ jink and gain Ignores Cover), RP applying against every single wound (and not just the final wound) on top of units like Destroyers getting additional wounds is pretty huge, etc


You cant have n-scoop and s-loom on the same model.
Ah, thanks for pointing that out, initially read it as "any model may take". Still however, potent upgrades for very low prices on fast and tough units.


Agreed, your point is still valid.
   
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I am really glad lychguard got a point drop 200 for them was way to high.

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I find it a little funny that assault based armies are finally coming back to 40k, nonetheless with the Necron codex. But yea the Lychguard did need that discount.

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 Quickjager wrote:
I find it a little funny that assault based armies are finally coming back to 40k, nonetheless with the Necron codex. But yea the Lychguard did need that discount.


I have 10 who never see the board because they were way to expensive, now though, that will change.

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 Quickjager wrote:
I find it a little funny that assault based armies are finally coming back to 40k, nonetheless with the Necron codex. But yea the Lychguard did need that discount.


Ive been running SW TWC with great success for some time now. Just saying.
   
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 BlackArmour wrote:


I'm just disheartened that this one book comes along and kills what the 7th edition codexs were doing.


In 8th Fantasy people thought the armybooks were going to be toned down for a while, then bam Phil Kelly.

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 SilverDevilfish wrote:
 BlackArmour wrote:


I'm just disheartened that this one book comes along and kills what the 7th edition codexs were doing.


In 8th Fantasy people thought the armybooks were going to be toned down for a while, then bam Phil Kelly.

Never try to predict GWs dev team, they don't even know what they're going to do next.


Trust me, I would be less than shocked to find out this is his doing.

However I agree and wont soon make the same mistake again.

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 BlackArmour wrote:
morgoth wrote:
I don't think so.

Take Space Wolves for instance, their best unit is TWC. What is Wraith compared to TWC ?

And Necrons have a lot more.


Lastly, quit pretending that Eldar was the only bad apple, that's just the kind of bs we've all heard far too much of.

Daemons are horrible, so is Tau, Eldar and Necrons which should have been nerfed (and I still hope they have been, time will tell)



I sure hope Necrons have indeed been nerfed and the rest of the codex updates will make Eldar, Daemons and Tau more internally and externally balanced


Tau came before eldar and I said after eldar and I 100% mean all of the 7th codexs have been mostly balanced against each other. That doesn't mean great internal balance mind you.

Also with the TWC vs Wraith thing are we arguing the same thing? because for their points wraiths are insanely good and add in the formation with RP and they go to near unstoppable.

TWC are good but not unstoppable but thats the bright spot in the SW book and I think you and I agree that the Necrons have a lot of bright spots in this book.

The Necron book is above the other 7th books on its own and with the Formations is very likely stronger than Eldar. If you think the Necrons got nerfed overall then I ask you to go read it and show me where on the whole the Necrons didn't get buffed. I'm not talking about individual nerfs, It did get some of those but was far more buffed than nerfed. Often on units or rules that didn't need it and worked well as is.

I'm not trying to rain on Necron players parade, that book clearly needed some re-balancing, internally it was awful and there were units that needed some pretty big buffs.

I'm just disheartened that this one book comes along and kills what the 7th edition codexs were doing.


I have no idea how it came to this, but we totally agree on Necrons that's for sure.

I'm still hesitant to call it though, because there may be unforeseen complications to the apparent improvement to the Necron Codex.

I think my point of view is more: I hope GW didn't feth up (i.e. buff or keep at same level) Necrons as it seems they did, I would have very much liked to see a full string of relatively balanced 7th ed type codexes.


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 Tyran wrote:
The only thing that is broken is the Wraiths with RP, everything else is strong but fine.


Said Wraiths were competitive for a while, before they got fleet, before they got +1 T (that is a HUGE buff right there), and before their upgrade was down costed.

Wraiths were competitive before those buffs, and that's not including RP.


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 Byte wrote:
 Quickjager wrote:
I find it a little funny that assault based armies are finally coming back to 40k, nonetheless with the Necron codex. But yea the Lychguard did need that discount.


Ive been running SW TWC with great success for some time now. Just saying.


You mean, for a few months.

I think he was more talking about a timescale of half a dozen years you know

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 Tyran wrote:
The only thing that is broken is the Wraiths with RP, everything else is strong but fine.

Indeed, this is a big buff to Wraiths.

With the formation comes a tax in form of Scarabs and a Spyder.
This means less Wraiths as in armies of the former incarnation of the codex.
But inside Decursion less Wraiths, say 10 to 12, is not really a downside since they are much more durable.

So basically we trade 5 to 6 Wraiths for a 4+ RP.

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Is it feasible to run NewCrons as a Terminator style army, tonnes of basic troops, a few monoliths/Heavies and a Lord here or there?
Im tempted to get into them but am very much of the old style mindset. Waves of mindless autonatoms crunching across the field.

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I would be tempted to do a Cylon armie with the 'Crons; it doesn't take much work to turn a Croissant into a Raider, and the standard Necron infantry work well enough as they are.

Problem is, that idea, alongside many others is currently sitting on ice until I see reason to invest large-scale in more GW product. Category of: I'd love to, but can't justify it. If anything, having a concerningly powerful looking ruleset makes me less likely to want to do it; curbstomping people by codex choice isn't exactly fun, it's why I reserve my beloved Armoured Company for people who really irritate me.

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 Ratius wrote:
Is it feasible to run NewCrons as a Terminator style army, tonnes of basic troops, a few monoliths/Heavies and a Lord here or there?
Im tempted to get into them but am very much of the old style mindset. Waves of mindless autonatoms crunching across the field.



I own six monoliths. About to find out. I have already tracked down Space invader sound effects to use during my games

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 Ratius wrote:
Is it feasible to run NewCrons as a Terminator style army, tonnes of basic troops, a few monoliths/Heavies and a Lord here or there?
Im tempted to get into them but am very much of the old style mindset. Waves of mindless autonatoms crunching across the field.


Certainly feasible. This is Warrior Spam. It was debateably good with the last codex (I certainly had alot of success with it, with appopriate support units), and it just got a whole lot better with the new Codex.
   
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yeah the Reanimation protocols being able to be boosted so much REALLY changes the complexion of the Necron Warriors.

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@Ratius: There's even a new Obelisk/Monolith formation that provides scatter protection for Deep Striking Monoliths, and allows a reserve unit to exit the Monolith the very turn that it arrives with no need to roll for those reserves.

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Great, thanks!

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