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No one is ignoring it, you are misunderstanding it. The required dice roll is always 5+. The roll itself is what is being modified per pg 11 BRB.

 Ghaz wrote:
Are you ignoring this?

Technomancer: This model and all models with the Reanimation Protocols special rule in his unit receive a +1 bonus to Reanimation Protocols rolls.

Technomancer doesn't modify the 'required dice roll', it modifies the actual physical roll.

Oh Please don't bypass the language filter like this. Reds8n , it's a wording technicality.
By RAW you're right... that's not good.
That's really not good.
(how do we expedite a FAQ already?)

No it's not, it's them thinking it's saying one thing because they want to obfuscate the issue.

If you have 2 Technomancers in the squad and you roll a 3, does it become a 5?

No because as it states

Certain special rules and wargear items can provide modifiers to this dice roll ; these are cumulative, but the required dice roll can never be improved to be better than 4+

The required roll to pass can never be better than a 4+.

If you would succeed your RP on a 2+ meaning you physically rolled a 2, even with bonuses you would fail because that rule states it cannot happen.

It's not even semantics, it's just bad comprehension of words.

You want it to say one thing, similar to the way that the Cronos and Nightmare doll work but it doesn't it's worded completely differently.

See my previous posts for the nightmare doll and cronos wording and why that works and this doesn't.

Cool, the required Roll is a 5++, your dice roll is a 2, you add a bonus of 3 from three sources of "RP Bonus" this isn't modifying what you require to roll, this is adding numbers to your physical roll making it a total of a 5++

No, because we know that any dice rolled that is lower than a 4+ will not succeed regardless of modifiers.


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Literally the rules :

Certain special rules and wargear items can provide modifiers to this dice roll ; these are cumulative, but the required dice roll can never be improved to be better than 4.

What do the words Dice Roll mean? Do they mean save? No.

This thread just come going around and around.

yup, because its people playing semantics, trying to make necrons completely broken and probably unbeatable by anyone. Armor save or invul save if they have one and then a 2+ reanimation roll....yeah thats what GW wanted

'Required' Dice roll could be referencing the original requirement, or when is required when you actually roll the dice. The latter would mean regardless of modifiers to the roll, a 4 on the dice is [physically] required.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
yup, because its people playing semantics, trying to make necrons completely broken and probably unbeatable by anyone. Armor save or invul save if they have one and then a 2+ reanimation roll....yeah thats what GW wanted

No, people aren't trying to make Necrons completely broken and probably unbeatable.
People are trying to point out how, for the hundredth time, Games Workshop failed to correctly write a rule.

There was exactly one person and one thread that seriously argued to use this and he got laughed at and ignored.
Because we all know what GW wanted with this rule, but what they want is not what they actually wrote.

It's not poorly written it is in fact written exactly how it needs to be written, people again want to interrupt it in such a way that this isn't true but it's just a bad a attempt at a semantic argument.

What do you think the required dice roll means, it means the dice roll required to pass the RP test, which can not be better than a 4+ regardless of modifiers.

What other possible Dice Roll would it mean?

Please name me something else that the words REquired Dice Roll would me?

Hollismason wrote:
It's not poorly written it is in fact written exactly how it needs to be written, people again want to interrupt it in such a way that this isn't true but it's just a bad a attempt at a semantic argument.

Or we could just make it personal instead of actually addressing the rules.

What do you think the required dice roll means, it means the dice roll required to pass the RP test, which can not be better than a 4+ regardless of modifiers.

What other possible Dice Roll would it mean?
Please name me something else that the words REquired Dice Roll would me?

The 'required dice roll' is the amount you need to roll to pass a "RP test", which is 5+ and there is nothing in the Codex that improves this.

We have two things:
1. The required dice roll, aka the number you need to roll. This is a 5+ and cannot be better than 4+ but nothing in the book improves it.
2. The roll you make for the test, which has no limitation and is affected by stuff like the Decurion and Crypteks.

If it was clear, we wouldn't be having the discussion.
I think it needs clarification.
... is there anything we can actually do about it?
Potentially:
Start an email campaign, writing in to the FAQ writers.

Gamefaqs@gwplc.com

Will this accomplish? Not a clue.
Could it help? Possibly? But probably not unless a ton of people are bombarding them with questions about this (and all the other things which are unclear)

apologize for the necro.

so is there a rule that actually improve the required dice roll?

if not, it seems pretty clear that modifiers adjust dice rolls to up to 4+.

i.e.

case 1

base RP 5+, crytek (+1), instant death (-1)
=required RP roll: 4+; modified by ID: 5+
rolls 4: does not make RP as: 4+1-1 = 4 < 5+ required

case 2
base RP 5+, crytek (+1), ever living (+1) instant death (-1)
=required RP roll: 4+ (as it cannot be below 4+); ID modifier cancelled out by remaining +1 everliving modifier
rolls 4: makes RP as: 4+1+1-1 = 5

no?

Thread is being locked due to thread necromancy.