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It started with Duffybear posting hints on Warseer. Harry contributed as well. Today the puzzle was solved. Duffybear was spot on with the Harlequin Troupe sprue and Harry should be well known for excellent rumors already. Duffybear's riddles hint towards a 'Blue Marine'-release so the new armour type, Mark IX, should be available for most SM chapters.

Duffybear on Warseer

Originally Posted by Mattcrowther00
Ohhhhhh what about MK9 power armour?

Mattcrowther00 wins

Here's what I know -
I have been told that there is a new mark of power armour coming at some point in the future. This is to help GW protect it's IP, so expect the design to be different from any previous version. It has been suggested that it looks a bit like Ironman's armour, but I haven't seen it so I don't know how close this is to reality. I don't have a time frame for the arrival and I don't know if old kits will be phased out or if they will remain alongside it. I'm guessing/hoping that older kits will remain as they are and all new kits will feature mark IX armour. This makes the most sense to me, but then this is GW we are talking about here.

That's all I know at this stage and Harry probably knows more than me about what's coming because he's hinting at bigger shocks.

As always take this with a pinch of salt. As you all know, I pass on what I hear, so if it's incorrect I apologise in advance.

I've had some fun over the last couple of days with the hints and riddles, so I may do it this way from now on. Sorry if that will cause you problems.

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Originally Posted by Bob Hunk
Haha, ok yes now you've said it all your clues are really obvious. Wow, maybe I really am going to be ahead of the curve. But hold on, if it looks like Ironman, how does that help protect their IP?

I think it just means that it's more advanced than the previous versions with all their nuts bolts and rivets showing. Maybe a bit more streamlined and the helmet changed slightly or something like that. remember that the Mechanicus have been gathering alien tech for a while now so I wouldn't be surprised if they have borrowed a few techniques from another species. I wouldn't think too much about the Ironman suit look just yet as it was only one person's interpretation.

Sorry about the mix up with mark IX and X at the beginning. One source said it was X but he was including GK armour as a mark. Finally got to the bottom of that after talking to him again.

I'm actually really looking forward to it! The FW suits have been great and I imagine these will be just as cool.

In the words of the great Pie-king

"BRING IT ON!"

P.S I told you it was obvious.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?404105-2015-40k-releases-according-to-BoLS&p=7382664&viewfull=1#post7382664


Harry

You are laughing now. This will cause a ***** storm of similar proportions on the 40K boards to the one we have been enjoying on the fantasy side.

Oh you guys are gonna love it.

Duffybear on Warseer

I do wonder if they will introduce it as a single unit.

I'm not sure if it was an official piece of artwork, but I remember seeing an Ultramarine with an Ironman style helmet faceplate at some point. Maybe they are just working off of that and only making slight changes to rest of the suit. The centurion kit has proved that they are willing to advance the story and the tech ever so slightly so it is possible for them to add new units in.

I suppose that these new suits could in fact be reworked older marks that a chapter has taken to improving themselves. If they are very similar and just feature a new helmet, set of arms and shoulder plates, or something like that then they would end up compatible with the other marine and variant chapter kits as well. If this is the case and the suit is similar to the Ultramarines art and they are the designers, then that could also explain why the new suit would be suddenly so widespread - Ultramarines being the parent chapter of so many mainstream chapters after all.

Just some thoughts.

Originally Posted by Commissar Merces
Yes because we needed more space marines before plastic sisters or a flavorful Chaos book.

This sounds like the least cool idea GW has had since Grimnar turned into Santa

I don't know when they are coming out. It could be before or after CSM/SoB (if those rumours are true). It could even be next year for all I know.

Originally Posted by Gobskrag 'Eadbasha
Hey Duffy, you wouldn't happen to know if there's anything to the Tzeentch and Sisters rumor would ya?

Sorry but I don't know anything about either of those. I really wish I did though, because Sisters are my favourite army

No date yet - we will probably get more rumors soon enough

I am guessing a nee Space Marine release is coming soon, then.

 Verviedi wrote:

I am guessing a nee Space Marine release is coming soon, then.

Which horrifies me.

The current SM book is one of the few decent matches between rules and fluff, and none of the new books indicate anything like Chapter Tactics and SM's current decent internal balance will survive.

That being said, I am not opposed to a new mark of power armour, and given how GW learned in court that no, their design is not an immutable element of the universe which they can put their stamp on, I can see something different coming out. One of the best plastic kits GW has released, well, ever, was the re-done tactical kit as well.

Rather than a new armour mark I'd much prefer them to do more plastic older mark parts and to get a damned move on with a revamped assault marine kit

Yeah, I'm not buying it...

So they're going to replace all the standard Mk.VIII stuff to "protect their IP"? I don't buy it. The standard Marine is GW's single most important and iconic image. They wouldn't change that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So they're going to replace all the standard Mk.VIII stuff to "protect their IP"? I don't buy it. The standard Marine is GW's single most important and iconic image. They wouldn't change that.

It's still power armor, it couldn't look that different.

 Verviedi wrote:

I am guessing a nee Space Marine release is coming soon, then.

Not necessarily. I doubt a new codex is coming. Surely it's just a different Mk to use for Tac squads etc? But the SM are probably the biggest part of GW IP. It's the most recognisably GW thing out there.

I think the IP protection is not why GW will make an additional armour type for marines. It will sell well, that's why. No new codex, looks more like a Leviathan/Exterminatus-type release

Harry

You are laughing now. This will cause a ***** storm of similar proportions on the 40K boards to the one we have been enjoying on the fantasy side.

Oh you guys are gonna love it.

I´m loving how GW seems to be shaking things up! It´s like looking at a car crash in slow motion

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So they're going to replace all the standard Mk.VIII stuff to "protect their IP"? I don't buy it. The standard Marine is GW's single most important and iconic image. They wouldn't change that.

They would to generate a whole bunch of sales though. A shiny new armour mark woulod be bought by all kinds of players. Wouldn't be their dumbest idea ever.

And to be honest, with all the updates over the years there isn't one definitive marine mark/silhouette anyway.

Their bigger issue is that they still won't be able to copyright what they think they'll be able to copyright. Even if they make it more complex for bits casters to make compatible add-ons/analogues they'll adapt soon enough. So yeah, for a sales spike I do buy this but not for t'other reasons.

I guess making MK8 armor was too difficult so going straight to MK9.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So they're going to replace all the standard Mk.VIII stuff to "protect their IP"? I don't buy it. The standard Marine is GW's single most important and iconic image. They wouldn't change that.

All of us on the fantasy side said this exact same thing when we heard "Fantasy is going to become skirmish, possibly with round bases".


Naaaah! Never going to happen.....


Remember what is driving most of this ; protectable IP. If even the most iconic IP of theirs can be (as they would see it) "infringed upon", then they have to do something to protect it, or risk its dilution.


I'm not saying the rumors are definitely true, but I wouldn't be all that surprised at all by it.

I wouldn't mind this being true. Options are always welcome.

Hoping it resembles Dornian Heresey Damocles armor.

I'm predicting MkIX "Nekkid" Armour.

In order to properly protect their IP and stave off those horrid idea stealing and Hobby ruining 3rd party bits manufacturers like Anvil Industry, Puppets War and any other company that makes like-power armour bits, from now on all space marines now go into battle butt naked. Yes naked.

The new MkIX "Nekkid" armour is the latest in oiled skin battle plate. Only the best for the best of the best!

The best to protect an IP is to produce something new, sell it, and produce something new again before others can sell their copied product. This seems what they are doing. They wont cut older SM products, just make new ones which will create bigger sales and then continue with the next

 Haight wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So they're going to replace all the standard Mk.VIII stuff to "protect their IP"? I don't buy it. The standard Marine is GW's single most important and iconic image. They wouldn't change that.

All of us on the fantasy side said this exact same thing when we heard "Fantasy is going to become skirmish, possibly with round bases".


Naaaah! Never going to happen.....


Remember what is driving most of this ; protectable IP. If even the most iconic IP of theirs can be (as they would see it) "infringed upon", then they have to do something to protect it, or risk its dilution.


I'm not saying the rumors are definitely true, but I wouldn't be all that surprised at all by it.

I don't see how just making a new armour type protects the IP though? I mean, it's not going to me more iconic than SM armour already is, and it could be just as easily 'infringed upon' as the armour that already exists.

If they're doing it, it's just to sell more models. As a fix for IP infringement, I don't see how it works.

 ImAGeek wrote:
As a fix for IP infringement, I don't see how it works.

It doesn't actually have to protect their IP, they just need to believe it does. The whole thing's very Orky.

 Dentry wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
As a fix for IP infringement, I don't see how it works.

It doesn't actually have to protect their IP, they just need to believe it does. The whole thing's very Orky.

Haha, the Placebo effect in action.

This sounds really unlikely, but we'll see.

Harry hinted that a ragestorm would ensue, but I really cannot see how slightly tweaked armour design would cause that. Maybe there is a slight scale change as well? On the other hand, that would be incredibly risky, it would invalidate FW's HH line, and risk alienating GW's most important customers, the marine players.

As for new designs, I always liked this concept, especially the shoulderpads and the asymmetrical leg armour.

Yeah, what's the point of the wonky leg armour. That makes no sense.

I want it to be sleek. I want it to have nice hard edges and a sharper look....


And then I want Mantic to sue the crap out of them when it looks like this!




In all seriousness, I don't like the idea of a new armour mark that looks radically different from the previous Mks, all of which share very similar design features. Plastic Mk8 could have been cool, but Mk9? Why?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So they're going to replace all the standard Mk.VIII stuff to "protect their IP"? I don't buy it. The standard Marine is GW's single most important and iconic image. They wouldn't change that.

yep, they might introduce a new mark for a new unit, but they sure wont replace all the previous marines kit.

 Snrub wrote:
I'm predicting MkIX "Nekkid" Armour.

In order to properly protect their IP and stave off those horrid idea stealing and Hobby ruining 3rd party bits manufacturers like Anvil Industry, Puppets War and any other company that makes like-power armour bits, from now on all space marines now go into battle butt naked. Yes naked.

The new MkIX "Nekkid" armour is the latest in oiled skin battle plate. Only the best for the best of the best!

But the leaders will be wearing helmets

Typical... soooo... typical....

I have just spent 6 years building and painting a complete Ultramarines 2nd Company, only have about 25 more Marines to paint which I have already bought...

So this rumour must be true as it's exactly the sort of thing that happens to me...

Well I guess maybe the move to 32mm bases was a pre-cursor to slightly biggerised Marines.

I also suspect that they simply won't be Space Marines - in fact the BA Codex was "Adeptus Astartes".

I suspect the most significant change has to be the shoulder pads? That was the one iconic element that was proved to be un-copyrightable.

I also suspect a helmet change as well as the MkVII and MkVIII are very similar to a certain Star Wars Storm Trooper?

It is kind of a shame, but I love all the armour marks and have II through to VIII so far in my army.

I just don't want them to be so good I end up wanting to buy more as i have way too many marines as it is....

*sigh* It seems GW really don't want my money anymore.

They genuinely do seem to have completely lost touch with the reasons why people are into GW products in the first place - if I wanted sleek sci-fi design I'd be buying Infinity, I like GW because the aesthetic is OTT grimdark nonsense.

None of this idiocy is going to "protect their IP" in the way they want it to - if the newer aesthetic is popular enough you'll still have not-this and not-that models from third parties, you'll still have compatible-with-X bits being made, and unmentionable people will still recast their stuff - what they cazn't seem to get their brains around is they don't have and never will have the power to stop those things from happening. The only reason they believe they even have the right to stop those things(recasting aside) is for years anyone they sent legally unsupportable C&Ds to capitulated because they couldn't afford the cost of a trial, and between Chapterhouse and the embarrassing Spots the Space Marine debacle that's not going to happen anymore. The spell is broken, we've all seen behind the curtain.

Their IP is as protected now as it will be after all these ridiculous changes-for-the-sake-of-change, and all they'll have done is drive away another wedge of their ever-declining customer base. Somebody seriously needs to slap GW's management upside the head and drill it into their thick skulls that the way to salvage their business and market share is to beat the competition with the quality and value of your product, not trying to twist your product and business model into some mythical perfectly-protectable IP that just lets you litigate everyone else out of existence.

Mark VIII is my favourite, I think,and I'm not sure that current GW can come up with something better. Centurions are...not great. A more true-scale and refined standard Marine kit would be cool, but with all the kits they'd have to replace it'll never happen.

They should just crush their competition by using their economy of scale, in-house production and mould-making and consitent quality (whoops, that dropped like a rock over the years,too bad) advantages.

If it ends up with hard line and a sharper look, it's not going to look like a Mantic miniature!

 Yodhrin wrote:
*sigh* It seems GW really don't want my money anymore.

They genuinely do seem to have completely lost touch with the reasons why people are into GW products in the first place - if I wanted sleek sci-fi design I'd be buying Infinity, I like GW because the aesthetic is OTT grimdark nonsense.

None of this idiocy is going to "protect their IP" in the way they want it to - if the newer aesthetic is popular enough you'll still have not-this and not-that models from third parties, you'll still have compatible-with-X bits being made, and unmentionable people will still recast their stuff - what they cazn't seem to get their brains around is they don't have and never will have the power to stop those things from happening. The only reason they believe they even have the right to stop those things(recasting aside) is for years anyone they sent legally unsupportable C&Ds to capitulated because they couldn't afford the cost of a trial, and between Chapterhouse and the embarrassing Spots the Space Marine debacle that's not going to happen anymore. The spell is broken, we've all seen behind the curtain.

Their IP is as protected now as it will be after all these ridiculous changes-for-the-sake-of-change, and all they'll have done is drive away another wedge of their ever-declining customer base. Somebody seriously needs to slap GW's management upside the head and drill it into their thick skulls that the way to salvage their business and market share is to beat the competition with the quality and value of your product, not trying to twist your product and business model into some mythical perfectly-protectable IP that just lets you litigate everyone else out of existence.

Ranting for the sake of ranting.

 Crimson wrote:
This sounds really unlikely, but we'll see.

Harry hinted that a ragestorm would ensue, but I really cannot see how slightly tweaked armour design would cause that. Maybe there is a slight scale change as well? On the other hand, that would be incredibly risky, it would invalidate FW's HH line, and risk alienating GW's most important customers, the marine players.

As for new designs, I always liked this concept, especially the shoulderpads and the asymmetrical leg armour.

I would be back into 40K so fast everyone within 100meters of me would get whiplash if their Mk.IX armor looked like that.

I have some pencil sketches of what Advanced SM armor might look like.

It is a sort of cross between the beaky Marines (forget the Mk. ... Mk. VI?) and the Arm Suits from GITS:SAC:SSS

MB