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If I could, I'd leave every BA troop at home.

Yes, always. Multiple's of as well usually.

Not only are they usually quite iconic unit's they usually provide good value as well.

Both as a Marine player and a Mechanicum player, I'd never leave home without my troops. For Marines, the Tactical Marine is still pretty damn verisitile, able to gear up to tackle most threats. Plus the Rhino is a fantastic, cheap transport that can easily act as a wall if need be

As for Mechanicum, the Thallax are incredibly sticky, provided you keep S10 templates away from them, able to very quickly hop around with a good range of wargear options. Tech-thralls are VERY cheap troops who can (with the right upgrades and support) get boosted up to a 4+ FNP. Sit them behind an Aegis and go to ground, watch your opponent never remove them

"s still pretty damn verisitile"

But incapable of actually getting anything done. They are 4th rate at all the jobs in game.

Depends on the army.

Daemonettes are awesome. Cheap, killy, resilient and deep strikable.

The bare minimum of Tactical Marines get taken to unlock the Razorback. I give them a ML and park them on the backline, then send the bus up.

Martel732 wrote:
"s still pretty damn verisitile"

But incapable of actually getting anything done. They are 4th rate at all the jobs in game.

I'm not on love wit tacticals, but they aren't THAT bad. 4th rate would be.... Tactical terminators . Remember when cyclones were good?!? (how long ago was THAT lol)

 Zed wrote:
Depends on the army.

Daemonettes are awesome. Cheap, killy, resilient and deep strikable.

The bare minimum of Tactical Marines get taken to unlock the Razorback. I give them a ML and park them on the backline, then send the bus up.

Yes to all but the resilient. They die to a stiff breeze. Pink Horrors are more resilient than they are.

I'd love to take Troops, but GW doesn't want me to.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Zed wrote:
Depends on the army.

Daemonettes are awesome. Cheap, killy, resilient and deep strikable.

The bare minimum of Tactical Marines get taken to unlock the Razorback. I give them a ML and park them on the backline, then send the bus up.

Yes to all but the resilient. They die to a stiff breeze. Pink Horrors are more resilient than they are.

Ah true. Resilient in the sense that they aren't going to run away. Making them one of four or five threats to deal with at once also helps.

Well what is meant by "Troops" exactly ?

I notice some armies have what might be called "irregular" troop choices such as:


Dredmob Orks: Deff Dreads

Space Marine Siege Assault Vanguard: Dreadnought Talon, Centurion Siege Assault Squad

Mechanicum: Castellax

Farsight Enclaves: Crisis suits.

 Talys wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
"s still pretty damn verisitile"

But incapable of actually getting anything done. They are 4th rate at all the jobs in game.

I'm not on love wit tacticals, but they aren't THAT bad. 4th rate would be.... Tactical terminators . Remember when cyclones were good?!? (how long ago was THAT lol)

They really were never good, even in 2nd.

Necron Warriors and Marines are more or less equivalent in durability (with variation depending on what is shooting at them), so I think it's a little funny that the former are regarded in Internetland as absurdly durable and the latter as dying to a stiff breeze.

I think this impression exists because Warriors are taken in big 10- or 20-undead robot blobs, whereas people tend to min-max Tactical Marines, seeing the bolter guys as ablative wounds for a special or heavy weapon. Which I believe is the opposite of the designers' intent, which was for them to do most of their killing with bolter and CC attack weight of fire, the special or heavy being a supplement rather than the main feature.

Well, reanimation protocols does significantly change the math.

I myself respect the durability of meqs (more or less), but I despise their offense/pt. At least Necrons have gauss on their weapons can threaten a wider range of targets.

Alcibiades wrote:
Necron Warriors and Marines are more or less equivalent in durability (with variation depending on what is shooting at them), so I think it's a little funny that the former are regarded in Internetland as absurdly durable and the latter as dying to a stiff breeze.

I think this impression exists because Warriors are taken in big 10- or 20-undead robot blobs, whereas people tend to min-max Tactical Marines, seeing the bolter guys as ablative wounds for a special or heavy weapon. Which I believe is the opposite of the designers' intent, which was for them to do most of their killing with bolter and CC attack weight of fire, the special or heavy being a supplement rather than the main feature.

To my knowledge, there is no Chapter Tactic that can give Marines army wide 4+ FNP. This is why the "former" are regarded here in Internetlandia as so strong, which they are.


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 Zed wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Zed wrote:
Depends on the army.

Daemonettes are awesome. Cheap, killy, resilient and deep strikable.

The bare minimum of Tactical Marines get taken to unlock the Razorback. I give them a ML and park them on the backline, then send the bus up.

Yes to all but the resilient. They die to a stiff breeze. Pink Horrors are more resilient than they are.

Ah true. Resilient in the sense that they aren't going to run away. Making them one of four or five threats to deal with at once also helps.

Definitely. That is probably one of Daemons best features, is the semi-Fearless rule.

Of course. Necrons, Eldar, and GK are my favorite armies.
They have very useful troops.

Martel732 wrote:
Well, reanimation protocols does significantly change the math.

I myself respect the durability of meqs (more or less), but I despise their offense/pt. At least Necrons have gauss on their weapons can threaten a wider range of targets.

Threaten on a 6 only haha

as opposed to the "wound everything common on their save" or "instagib anything commonly seen on a 2+" options of the Grav & Melta respectively option

 IHateNids wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Well, reanimation protocols does significantly change the math.

I myself respect the durability of meqs (more or less), but I despise their offense/pt. At least Necrons have gauss on their weapons can threaten a wider range of targets.

Threaten on a 6 only haha

as opposed to the "wound everything common on their save" or "instagib anything commonly seen on a 2+" options of the Grav & Melta respectively option

Grav on tactical marines is terrible Grav on biker troops is very good, but everyone knows biker troops are awesome in general. Tacs can only get two melta shots, which is very unreliable and only threatens hard targets at a paltry 6". Gauss can glance out a LR from 24". That's much more useful, imo.

Martel732 wrote:

 IHateNids wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Well, reanimation protocols does significantly change the math.

I myself respect the durability of meqs (more or less), but I despise their offense/pt. At least Necrons have gauss on their weapons can threaten a wider range of targets.

Threaten on a 6 only haha

as opposed to the "wound everything common on their save" or "instagib anything commonly seen on a 2+" options of the Grav & Melta respectively option

Grav on tactical marines is terrible Grav on biker troops is very good, but everyone knows biker troops are awesome in general. Tacs can only get two melta shots, which is very unreliable and only threatens hard targets at a paltry 6". Gauss can glance out a LR from 24". That's much more useful, imo.

Yeah, granted.

But bearing in mind, we have absolutely no special weapons at all, we're stuck on that "hope for a 6" mentality to everything that our infantry shoot at, at least a Plasmagun or Melta can hurt an MC/Vehicle reasonably efficiently

When I play orks its a must you need a good amount of boyz.

SM I find some usage in tacticals but it is annoying at times to figure a good balance of points for them.

I use the green tide formation so I say hell yes to all da boys.