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With detachments formation and all the other ways to build a army is any one else confused as how to build a army at all that's legal. I seen many people ruins formation free as the dont have a point cost. and most people take what ever unit they want to get points they want then add a formation our two. i really am at a loss with build armys now as ther no real foc any more. and the guide lines for buildinv a army are way to open now

What's not to understand? They outline in the rules what units to take in a formation and who can take what formation. If you can't figure this out then just use a CAD.

Hmmm tough one.

I suppose you mean I'm not allowed to open the rulebook and the codex and any other supplement I want to use units from like I assume you don't?

Then yes. It's very hard.

But wait! If you open those things, they have things called points costs and FoC slots, and the rulebook tells you how to take these things a make an army out of it.

I have read the rule book pages 116 to 122 many times and still don't really understand it

Let me get this straight. You don't know how to build a legal army anymore...because there are too many ways to build a legal army now?

The short answer is to go build an army the way you've always built armies, they haven't made the base FOC that's been around since 3e illegal yet.

First, please try editing for grammar and spelling. It makes it really hard to read.

Second, no, not really. You can run any number of formations and detachments. If you're having trouble following an opponents list, ask for a list or a breakdown and ask them to explain it to you.

Most formations are pretty clear and a CAD is just normal FOC, only you can take as many as you want, as long as you fulfill the 1 HG 2 Troops requirement.

1-3 HQ. These are the unists listed under the HQ section in your Codex.

0-3 Elites. These are the unists listed under the Elites section in your Codex.

2-6 Troops. These are the unists listed under the Troops section in your Codex.

0-3 Fast Attack. These are the unists listed under the Fast Attack section in your Codex.

0-3 Heavy Support. These are the unists listed under the Heavy Support section in your Codex.

That is a CAD. Build your list around it.

 jreilly89 wrote:
First, please try editing for grammar and spelling. It makes it really hard to read.

This is never going to happen.

Its all the detachments and formations that don't make any sense to me. Formation are really a pain as there no point cost and let add so much for free to your army. Looking at you lance formation 3knights for free. i play a guy you runs 3 of in his 1500ig army of nothing but tanks.

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zilka86 wrote:
Its all the detachments and formations that don't make any sense to me. Formation are really a pain as there no point cost and let add so much for free to your army. Looking at you lance formation 3knights for free. i play a guy you runs 3 of in his 1500ig army of nothing but tanks.

You still have to pay for all the models in Formations, the additional rules are the only free part. So if you were to take a 3-Knight formation, you still have the pay the points for the appropriate Knights.

Here's the way I like to explain it to people. Your army can be made up of any number of detachments. A detachment is a combined arms detachment, allied detachment, codex specific detachment or a formation. Each detachment had its own restrictions and bonuses, for example:
Combined arms:
1-2 HQ, 0-3 Elites, 2-6 Troops, 0-3 Fast attack, 0-3 Heavy support. The bonuses are a reroll on the warlord trait if your warlord is part of this detachment, and your troops choices gain objective secured.
Codex specific and Allied detachments work in a similar way
Formations also work this way, but their restrictions are often much tighter. Instead of giving you a choice of what HQ's, Elites, Troops, Fast, and Heavy choices you want to bring, it tells you what you which specific units you must bring.
The most important part of this is that you must still pay points for models in formations. The only reason formations sometimes have a point cost is because that cost is added onto the cost of the models in the formation. So if you had a formation that had a 25 point cost and it was made up of three 50 point models, in total, that formation would cost 175 points (50+50+50+25)

EDIT: BTW, the minimum cost of the Adamantine Lance is 1110 points (1125 if they're all knight paladins) So your friend would only have 375-390 points of IG to work with. Also tell him he's a dick for running adamantine lance at 1500 points.

zilka86 wrote:
Its all the detachments and formations that don't make any sense to me. Formation are really a pain as there no point cost and let add so much for free to your army. Looking at you lance formation 3knights for free. i play a guy you runs 3 of in his 1500ig army of nothing but tanks.

How do you get 3 free Knights?

I seen the formation sheet for knights and there no point cost.

Also ur say i can run as many detachment as i want from same book how is that legal i could run chapter masters and 8 tac squad all in pods and its legal way more ways to abuse the game

zilka86 wrote:
I seen the formation sheet for knights and there no point cost.

Also ur say i can run as many detachment as i want from same book how is that legal i could run chapter masters and 8 tac squad all in pods and its legal way more ways to abuse the game

Zilka go home. your drunk.

zilka86 wrote:
I seen the formation sheet for knights and there no point cost.

Also ur say i can run as many detachment as i want from same book how is that legal i could run chapter masters and 8 tac squad all in pods and its legal way more ways to abuse the game

Honestly cant tell if you're trolling or not, but I'll play along. The reason there's no point cost for the formation is because it does not cost any extra points on top of the point costs of the models within the formation.

And technically, yes, you can run lots of detachments with chapter masters and 2 tac squads in pods if you want. It doesnt seem good though

Two Zilka threads in one day! Brilliant.

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