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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/21 09:04:19
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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If there were enough able bodied serfs, could a Space Marine chapter train them and use them as an auxiliary force to supplement the chapter? It would make sense, as it would give them a decent amount of meat-shields, but would it be allowed?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/21 09:13:27
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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Yes, but serfs don't usually assist in ground assaults. They wouldn't keep up with the marines. They are mainly used for guard duty, manning the ships, running the armoury, stuff like that. They do assist in defence of their ground bases. TL;DR: It varies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/21 09:17:21
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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A lot of them are trained for combat, but usually on in defense. There's lots of examples of them defending against boarding actions, things like that, but in general they kinda get butchered, as they're nothing more than humans.I can see them being used only as a last resort.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/22 04:09:21
Subject: Re:Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Stormin' Stompa
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I have this idea for my DIY chapter where surfs are responsible for piloting the vehicles because the chapter has very small numbers. Makes no sense to have a space marine driving when normal humans could pilot them just fine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/22 04:13:52
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Strike Cruiser Vladislav Volkov
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If you wanted to, you could easily represent this on the tabletop with an allied IG detachment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/22 04:15:47
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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"These serfs are fanatically loyal to their superhuman masters, and indoctrinated into many of the lesser orders of the Chapter’s Cult. Although human, they still benefit from remarkable training and access to superior weaponry than is usually found on a naval vessel, making them a fearsome prospect in a boarding action – even without the support of their genetically modified lords." ~ Battlefleet Gothic Armada
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/22 04:18:30
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Noise Marine Terminator with Sonic Blaster
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Yeah cause all serfs were failed Marines IIRC, they were still some of the best of the best their home world could put forth in terms of combat skills. Really Scions are closer then just plain IG.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/22 04:21:28
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Some, not all:
"These serfs come from the Chapter’s home planet or the enclave they protect, many of them Novitiates or applicants who have failed some part of the recruiting or training process." Battlefleet Gothic Armada
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/22 04:23:54
Subject: Re:Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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Well I think it's a cool idea and it makes sense for isolated chapters that are operating without IG support as well chapters that don't like to work too closely with others (Unforgiven successors come to mind).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/22 04:31:59
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Sometimes.
Honestly, when you really think about it though, being a failed Marine is probably fatal. A failed aspirant, maybe. One of the little kids who doesn't get all the way through the selection/screening process. But imagine failing out at 13 and only being halfway through the implant process. The Creation of a Space Marine articles talk pretty extensively about all the various treatments that are part of the process of maturing all those implants and organs. If you're supposed to grow into a 7 foot tall superhuman, it's probably not good for the biology if you're not getting all the proper medical care.
That hasn't stopped Black Library authors from suggesting it from time to time, but really, most of those stories are pretty poorly thought out. A failed neophyte is probably going to end up as a servitor, lol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/22 05:18:44
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:Sometimes.
Honestly, when you really think about it though, being a failed Marine is probably fatal. A failed aspirant, maybe. One of the little kids who doesn't get all the way through the selection/screening process. But imagine failing out at 13 and only being halfway through the implant process. The Creation of a Space Marine articles talk pretty extensively about all the various treatments that are part of the process of maturing all those implants and organs. If you're supposed to grow into a 7 foot tall superhuman, it's probably not good for the biology if you're not getting all the proper medical care.
That hasn't stopped Black Library authors from suggesting it from time to time, but really, most of those stories are pretty poorly thought out. A failed neophyte is probably going to end up as a servitor, lol.
Or just heavily augmented. If the process goes south, they can simply gut the dude and stuff him full of bionics to prevent the gene-seed rejection from killing him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/22 05:25:34
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Don't see why not but I don't expect them to be a particularly nice Chapter.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/22 10:54:09
Subject: Re:Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Mr Nobody wrote:I have this idea for my DIY chapter where surfs are responsible for piloting the vehicles because the chapter has very small numbers. Makes no sense to have a space marine driving when normal humans could pilot them just fine.
I like it and makes sense given the fluff............
They might have imperial authorities keeping an eye on them - they would not want the Chapter to grow to full strength AND field a large force of elite soliders
Serf treatment does seem to vary hugely from Chapter to Chapter - some are respected, others despised or ignored........
Having them as the pilots and drivers would make no difference in tabletop terms
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/23 01:22:04
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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Something about a space marine chapter using the serfs for anything combat related is making me laugh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/23 02:06:51
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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I think that I'm going to make a DIY that uses Serfs in battle now. Thanks for the idea
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/23 21:04:08
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Automated Space Wolves Thrall
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In Battle for the Fang the Wolves use serfs extensively for defence, they are well trained and equipped so I would sayou probably the equivalent of a Guard regiment. The Thousand Sons also used them as cannon fodder.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/23 21:13:08
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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dusara217 wrote:I think that I'm going to make a DIY that uses Serfs in battle now. Thanks for the idea
Allied Guard Conscripts!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/24 01:10:18
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Irked Necron Immortal
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If you read Legion of the Damned, the Excoriator's serfs actually participate in battle (I think by operating heavy weaponry like autocannons iirc)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/24 03:23:39
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Hey if some draftee agriworld guardsmen can kill chaos marines or giant monstrous creatures through either fear determination or just blind luck, i'd say serfs could probably do as well if not better. Just have one guy hold the bolter and one guy pull the trigger. Crew served bolters!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/24 21:43:45
Subject: Re:Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I've always wanted to have my own spess marine chapter (The knights of St George, and in a few months they will take form) supported by my large imperial guard army (who happen to be bedecked with English flags, I'm a patriot, not a nationalist).
I've always thought that is would be a very resourceful thing for the spess marines to use the serfs in battle, as most spess marine chapters are below 1000 marines, and they are almost never gathered in one place, and even if they were, they would need more numbers to cover enough ground to wage a campaign or hold a city.
Also, the serfs would have to be vets, not conscripts from a rules point of view.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/25 23:08:39
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Been Around the Block
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In the Battle of Rynn's world the Crimson Fists used 'the chosen' to man/guard their fortress and the base they had in the capital. If memory serves they numbered over 2k. The earlier post is bang on about the Space Wolves using serfs in their fleets and for defense of the Fang. Not sure if the inquisition would be overly happy with Chapters increasing their combat power too much other than for defense.
My own Chapter is based on a newish founded Chapter that's well under strength and will always struggle to field a large force. I'd never considered serfs as an allied contingent but will now, I think it's a great idea. Only down side is this is yet another Army to plan and paint. Question is where do you stop, just a few squads/platoons, heavy weapons, how about armour to keep pace with the marines. Next thing it's a full Army in it's own right?
Regardless it's the end of days and Chapters have to do what it takes to kill the Emperors enemies. The codex astartes was only ever meant as a guide anyway??????
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Various Armies, from 2k to 4k. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/26 03:10:41
Subject: Could A Space Marine Chapter Use Its Serfs In Battle?
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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Baldysteve wrote:In the Battle of Rynn's world the Crimson Fists used 'the chosen' to man/guard their fortress and the base they had in the capital. If memory serves they numbered over 2k. The earlier post is bang on about the Space Wolves using serfs in their fleets and for defense of the Fang. Not sure if the inquisition would be overly happy with Chapters increasing their combat power too much other than for defense.
My own Chapter is based on a newish founded Chapter that's well under strength and will always struggle to field a large force. I'd never considered serfs as an allied contingent but will now, I think it's a great idea. Only down side is this is yet another Army to plan and paint. Question is where do you stop, just a few squads/platoons, heavy weapons, how about armour to keep pace with the marines. Next thing it's a full Army in it's own right?
Regardless it's the end of days and Chapters have to do what it takes to kill the Emperors enemies. The codex astartes was only ever meant as a guide anyway??????
The Codex never outlawed Chapters having their own ordinary human armies (see: Ultramar Auxilia). I would think that they would be used basically as a slowly advancing line of soldiers that form a good fall-back point for the Space Marines, who press the attack and use hit-and-run tactics to smash into the enemy; causing devastating casualties before retreating to their Serfs who are slowly advancing across the battlefield with their mix of mid-to-long-ranged weaponry (heavy weapons and standard small arms)
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To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote:There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
We must all join the Kroot-startes... |
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